I don't think your using that word right. Like at all. He doesn't have any disdain or hatred towards women. Nowhere did he say he doesn't stream with them because they are bad or aren't good streamers.
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Polygon: Tyler "Ninja" Blevins explains why he doesn't stream with women
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I mean a good start would be to just not do the same to other streamers (see the video in the article) and thus not perpetuate this stupid culture that women can't possibly be just friends with men on the internet?
His excuse just looks poor when he's part of the problem.
And there you go.... you literally cannot even acknowledge that a bunch of mostly gamer dues assuming all women must be fucking the dudes they stream with, is sexism. Like you literally can;t even acknowledge the sexist culture.
It would seem a lot of the commentators here don't understand how that works. I've learned this community can be a bit "shoot first ask questions never" at times.
Then he would rightfully be called out on it in those cases too.
Or you kidding me? You ever heard of the concept of "celebrity relationships", and how rocky those tend to be? And those people don't even have to directly interact with the entirety of their fanbase on a day to day basis, so anyone should easily be able to see how big of a minefield this could turn into. This isn't a silly thing. This is potentially a small thing that grinds on you on a daily basis until you can't stand it anymore.
Besides, again, why the hell would he even risk it to begin with. If he believes it to be healthy for his marriage, then that is his right. You wouldn't say the same thing about a married man choosing not to go out alone with other women.
This jump in logic.
Not giving his base any ammo by playing to his perception of their base ass whims. Where's the leap in logic?
The reason I am referring to is that he wants to avoid salacious rumors with female streamers. I may have worded that confusingly, so apologies there. No other reason.
Yet he himself participated in the creation of such rumors about other streamers. So the sexist environment he is trying to separate himself from, to the detriment of female streamers, is one that he has actively encouraged.
If he wants to be a role model, it would behoove him to not encourage the toxic sexism that pervades the Twitch platform. I'm not speculating anything about his wife or marriage because his own statements make it clear that he'd rather that not be the focus of the conversation.
Which is fine, because there's a better place to focus from my perspective. On him and what he is doing and has done.
Is it really a huge leap in logic to understand how getting thousands of messages everyday claiming you're having an affair or how you're husband is having an affair wouldn't potentially hurt the marriage?
If everyone started calling you fat every day nonstop, even if you weren't fat, you would begin to see yourself a different way.
I guess misogyny was a better term there yeah. The environment he creates is sexist though it is his personal life and not a public place or establishment/job.
He's basically capitulating to his "toxic community" in order to keep the money rolling in. I have as little respect for him as the people on Fox News who spout BS they don't believe in to keep the rabid alt right community on their side.
I'm sure if the situation was inverted and a popular woman streamer refused to play with guys, the thread would have a very different tone...
This is why I don't stream, I'd end up going Kamiya Level hatred on all the stupid spammy kids.
I'm sure if the situation was inverted and a popular woman streamer refused to play with guys, the thread would have a very different tone...
This is why I don't stream, I'd end up going Kamiya Level hatred on all the stupid spammy kids.
L ije that the underlying conceit here is that gaming is so sexist that excluding women is protecting them.
Not to mention this dude literally engages in the behavior he's so supposedly against.
Your posts have been the most needlessly snarky and aggressive in this thread, yet you constantly keep reaching in your conclusions to the point where I can't even tell if you're serious or just trying to stir up shit.
Your anchoring bias is far too strong this thread, and i recommend you take a break, actually think about internet culture and why someone in his unique position would do what he does, and come back.
don't patronize me
What are you even talking about? It doesn't have to be a guy. I've had plenty of female friends who see a guy and a girl walking around together and jump to the conclusion they must be dating. That isn't sexism.
If this forum doesn't have one person to be mad at at least once a week it goes under.
Anyways, I don't blame the dude, internet culture is weird. People get way too attached and involved in online personalities. I've seen so much weird, invasive and petty shit speculated and said about Giant Bomb, RLM, and Game Grumps. And those are much, much smaller than Ninja. If he don't want to deal with that shit on his channel I don't blame him. Him perpetuating that shit with his chat about the other streamer is terrible tho.
This is understsndable stance. The community is toxic and would probably harass his wife to the point she starts believing the rumors and mistrust grows or both of their mental health suffers.
Nobody wants to be real and just say it. It has fuck all to do with his wife. It's about his revenue stream. Stop lying on behalf of yourselves, doing undercover support for a press release that makes not a lick of sense.
Sounds fair to me,as there is huge stress both him and his wife go through because of his fame. Guy puts his family in the first place, I can respect that.
Why would I speculate about hypothetical/imaginary conversations he may or may not have had, and go out of my way to make excuses for him, when I can simply, you know, take him at his word when he literally says it's all him.
It's silly to me, internet talk should remain internet talk, specially ones which he knows would have no basis as he is talking about them now.
I'm just saying his excuse is bullshit, he's free to believe in what he wants.
If there was a female steamer saying she doesn't play with guys becasue she doesn't want people making assumptions and accusing her of cheating on her husband, I would have absolutey the same opinion.
What does this even mean? Are you just trying to be really unpleasant?
Why create that conspiracy? What good does making up this accusation do?
Is it really that much of a leap in logic to see that he doesn't want shit like fake affairs entering his relationship?
How do you not understand the concept that you are in no place to judge whether or not his stance is bullshit? It is an established fact that his position is extremely unique, so on what basis of fact do you judge his decision to be bullshit without even an ounce of reticence on your part? It only serves to exemplify the complete lack of good faith some people in this thread come into this topic with.
Thanks for the advice. Re-read what I've posted if you're still confused on my position. I've commented a lot. Quite a bit to say, and it wasn't oblique.
I've been very direct in what I have to say so save that bullshit for when you can actually apply it judiciously.
My snark is never needless, thank you very much.
Bluntly dude I can't respect your opinion if you can't even acknowledge the underlying sexism involved in the whole culture....
and how in the hell do you know?
If anything, adding women to his stream could very well actually ADD to his revenue stream BECAUSE of the dumb shit he says he wants to avoid.
People are completely right in saying that his wife would absolutely start getting harassed and spammed over something like this, and if i were in his position i'd want to mitigate that sort of shit from my family members as much as possible, let alone to the person i have promised my life with.
Stop lying to yourself, and actually see that people who get famous might actually have personal lives they want to keep out of the shit that their lives may very well produce.
Just stop being dumb about this!
If you actually believe this, then you need help.
To me it is. Yes. It's preposterous. In fact, it's insane in the world that we live in today.
Agree and I'm sure everyone would applaud her for it instead of blaming like they are doing here.
It's amazing that somebody can be 27 years old and think this is a legit explanation. How absurd
Literally every profession before women entered it the consensus was women would be harassed and they need to be protected. Every. Single. Time.
"Oh, but this time it's unique and different, Twitch streamers can't work together for very specific reasons you just don't understand!" Archive your comments and show them to your confused and embarrassed children a generation from now.
"Oh, but this time it's unique and different, Twitch streamers can't work together for very specific reasons you just don't understand!" Archive your comments and show them to your confused and embarrassed children a generation from now.
Can you respect him not having the same standards when it comes to other people? People he's completely ok with exposing to the toxicity that his position is supposed to separate him from?
Because that's in essence what he's done here. Dishing it out while being unable to take it and actively encouraging a hostile environment.
You're speaking for their relationship now? When he flat out stated that it has nothing to do with her? Run that again.
Because he's not the only Twitch streamer, other streamers don't have a problem with interacting with the opposite sex.
I'm not saying there isn't sexism in the gaming culture, especially the twitch comments. However making fake accusations about affairs doesn't need to come from a sexist angle. Pick up any of those tabloid magazines at the supermarket and read about all the "affairs" going on in Hollywood.
Almost like there's a different history and men haven't been historically erased and excluded from the hobby. Imagine that.
I think there's two issues being discussed here and this is why the discussion is being so confused.
1- One of them is trying to invalidate his concerns, and particularly downplaying the role of protecting his wife. How is not immediately obvious that any such rumors would upset his wife? The issue is not "I wonder if they're true", the issue is "people are saying I'm being cheated on by my husband".
2- The second issue is that he's an hypocrite for complaining about rumous while he has spread some himself. As I don't follow him I can't comment, and I have no issue with people calling out his bullshit. But that said, it doesn't invalidate the logical argument for point 1.
And yet, we still have movies with both men and women in them. Funny that, huh?
A doctor or lawyer isn't in the public eye putting themselves up to stream for hundreds of thousands of people every single day. It's not even in the same realm as that.
Yeah right which is why this shit mostly affects women and is being used to justify excluding women.... Look dude you could at least have enough integrity to acknowledge there is sexism at play... but sure gamer dudes freak out and harass women and wives because they're dramatic.
How would playing with a woman affect his revenue? I don't think I've ever heard of streamers losing viewers due to playing with women. As disrespectful as the community can be, I doubt they'd stop supporting their favorite streamer because of that.
What works for one person might not work for another. And how many streamers are married? Remember shaycarl? Remember that doctor guy? It fucking happens, and it's a good decision to distance yourself from it.
I would feel exactly the same way Ninja was a girl who refused to stream with men due to protecting her husband from hate.
My integrity is perfectly fine thanks.
I mean, the dismissal of the harassment his wife will go under is weird. Everyone knows Twitch is toxic as fuck. You all think his wife won't be bombarded with rumors and harassment implying Ninja is cheating on her? You all can say Ninja and his wife should ignore it, but the man himself --you know, the one in the relationship--says otherwise. Why should she endure that?
Excluding groups of people based on who they were born to be is excluding groups of people.This jump in logic.
"Look guys gaming is very sexist so we have to exclude women because gaming is sexist but we don't have to work towards making gaming less sexist because sexism isn't a gaming problem it's a real world problem"
Dude needs to suck it up. Fame and popularity means that people will say shit about you regardless of what you do or don't do. In this case he looks severely worse I think in the eyes of the community by crumbling to the pressure of trolls instead of being inclusive.
Why let others dictate your ability to interact with friends and colleagues? Ninja should be above that by now.
Why let others dictate your ability to interact with friends and colleagues? Ninja should be above that by now.
Pokimane, the most successful female streamer on Twitch, did something similar. She use to stream with TSM Myth but the harassment she received was having a negative impact both on her stream and on her mental health that she herself quit playing with Myth for a decent amount of time. It just wasn't worth it with how much it was affecting her personal life and brand.
She plays with him once in a blue moon now, but she had to put a stop to it for the most part.