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More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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The movie is a technical masterclass and that's not even up for debate. It is incredibly well-conceived, shot by one of the best cinematographers on the planet, and edited with ruthless efficiency.

I'm sorry, but if you're calling the movie generic, you need to study more film.
Basically. Yes, liking a film is subjective, but the technical merits of a film - pacing, story structure, character arcs, editing, cinematography, use of lighting, etc - are less so. It's why you can take Taken 3's fence climbing scene and a scene from John Wick and demonstrate how one has objectively bad editing and one has excellent editing, how the action in one is poorly shot and poorly framed and the action in the other is very well-shot and framed. It's how you can say a movie has good cinematography versus bad, and so on
 

Mg.

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's astonishing to me how a movie with some of the best world building, character development, choreographed action and exhilarating soundtrack is also the most metal movie I've ever witnessed.

Hats of to all the fine people who worked on this historical master piece. *cheff kiss*
 

Bubukill

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Oct 25, 2017
1,810
Panama
What is so good about the portrayal of action in fury road?
Specifics please.

Dont get me wrong I enjoyed fury road but like I said its the environment, props and sound which made it good not the action or the story.

Seriously? How can there be people stating that Mad Max Fury Road does not stand out on its action sequence? Like do you have any idea about the camera work, the scenes on screen, the stunts the film potrays, what they actually did to make some of these action sequences?and even funnier, there are goddamm rookies comparing it with Michael Bay way of making action..


Look at this video



What you see above is almost non-existence in action scenes nowadays
 

Gentlemen

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Oct 25, 2017
9,508
What is so good about the portrayal of action in fury road?
Specifics please.
The action has real stakes and purpose
When Max is fighting off Furiosa and the wives you're rooting for nobody to get hurt because at the heart of the conflict is a well-constructed misunderstanding, inclusive of Max's desires to not get caught up again in someone else's life or death struggle and Furiosa's determination not to let her gamble go to waste because of Max's interference.
When Max takes all their guns in the cab of the war rig, it's because he's still very mistrustful and joins them only as a bargain to get his own way out of the wasteland.
When they're fighting off the mountain goats there is a very sudden recognition that they both need each other to survive, as Max freely hands Furiosa back her guns.
When Nux is thrown onto the war rig, having lived his entire life trying to live a glorious death witnessed by a material god he worships, he immediately fucks it up and what is in otherwise a moment of slapstick actually crushes him to the core, and we don't see him again until Capable finds him curled up like an infant who just lost his parents.
The action is so tightly braided into the story that if you didn't get any of the above and think it equal to Bayformers, you simply weren't paying attention.
 

Forsaken82

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Oct 27, 2017
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Blood and Chrome looks amazing as fuck too.

Combined with NIN, fuck yeah


You are really cheating yourself if you ignore all the color in this film IMO. This isn't like The Mist that plays better to the Black and White aesthetic of old school horror movies. A big part of Fury Road is the fantastic cinematography that is enhanced by the fantastic contrast of warm and cool colors.
 

kvetcha

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Oct 27, 2017
7,835
You are really cheating yourself if you ignore all the color in this film IMO. This isn't like The Mist that plays better to the Black and White aesthetic of old school horror movies. A big part of Fury Road is the fantastic cinematography that is enhanced by the fantastic contrast of warm and cool colors.

Apparently Miller's preferred version is the slash dupe, which was b&w with no sound except for the music. Black and Chrome gets halfway there - I really wish they'd included a music-only soundtrack.

Overall, though, I agree. The movie works better in color.
 

Dommo

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Oct 25, 2017
1,687
Australia
Am I alone in associating Dredd with this movie as two fantastic, recent made, futuristic, action movies?

FR implemented the same clever trick as Dredd in that you're led to believe the title character is the protagonist, but it's actually the lead female character who goes through the central arc of the film and really serves as the emotional backbone of the whole thing. It was more crucial in Dredd - where fans were crying out to keep Dredd as the faceless, fascist, unflinching hand of the law. Problem is, that doesn't make for a good dramatic character, so they cleverly and quietly wrote Anderson as the protagonist while staying true to the Dredd character.

Miller effectively did the same thing in FR to a lesser extent. Max does have an emotional arc however.
 

Spine_Ripper

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Oct 25, 2017
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My sister went to WonderCon in Anheim like a week or 2 before the film was released. She told me they played the first 30 minutes of the movie and quote "was literally nonstop action." She knows I'm a movie buff, and was praising what she saw up and down, but I thought she was just being hyperbolic cause it was a free sneak peak lol.

Fuck was I wrong. Still one of the most memorable movie experiences ever. You really had to watch it in theaters to appreaciate it.
 

Forsaken82

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Oct 27, 2017
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Apparently Miller's preferred version is the slash dupe, which was b&w with no sound except for the music. Black and Chrome gets halfway there - I really wish they'd included a music-only soundtrack.

Overall, though, I agree. The movie works better in color.

I read about the black and white concept he had back in preproduction, but he eventually decided that the movie needed to be as colorful as possible to set it apart from other Post-Apocalyptic films.
 

dsk1210

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not only is it one of the best action movies of all time in regard to spectacle but it does so with it's vision always on tone.

A true classic in regard to over the top action movies.
 

Saudade

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Oct 26, 2017
396
Apparently Miller's preferred version is the slash dupe, which was b&w with no sound except for the music. Black and Chrome gets halfway there - I really wish they'd included a music-only soundtrack.

Overall, though, I agree. The movie works better in color.
Back when the Black & Chrome ver was first announced (and cancelled?) there was a fan edit of the whole film on Vimeo that was in b&w and had the music-and-sfx-only soundtrack. It's gone now obviously, but I managed to watch it beforehand and it was phenomenal (aside from the sound being distractingly out of sync in a few places). The bw aesthetic and lack of dialogue really fit with the minimalism of the film's exposition. And that Junkie XL soundtrack can carry the film on its own bare back.

Of course each version has its perks (that teal&orange contrast in the color ver is to die for). I just wish the official Black & Chrome ver was without dialogue tho.
 

kvetcha

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Oct 27, 2017
7,835
Back when the Black & Chrome ver was first announced (and cancelled?) there was a fan edit of the whole film on Vimeo that was in b&w and had the music-and-sfx-only soundtrack. It's gone now obviously, but I managed to watch it beforehand and it was phenomenal (aside from the sound being distractingly out of sync in a few places). The bw aesthetic and lack of dialogue really fit with the minimalism of the film's exposition. And that Junkie XL soundtrack can carry the film on its own bare back.

Of course each version has its perks (that teal&orange contrast in the color ver is to die for). I just wish the official Black & Chrome ver was without dialogue tho.

I remember seeing that! It was incredible how well it worked.

I'm honestly still disappointed that we didn't get something like that in a Black & Chrome.

I read about the black and white concept he had back in preproduction, but he eventually decided that the movie needed to be as colorful as possible to set it apart from other Post-Apocalyptic films.

iirc that decision was made because he knew the studio would never let him release a black and white film, so he settled on doing the opposite. It's hard to argue with the result!
 

Zhukov

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Dec 6, 2017
2,641
Ayup.

Thoroughly fantastic movie. Hell, I'd say it's close to flawless besides the weird looking nighttime scenes. One of those films where I walked away thinking, "Why the hell did nobody tell me movies are allowed to be that damn good?"

Knew it was going to be a classic as soon as I saw the first trailer. Hope like hell we get more.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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would you guys put Fury Road on the same tier as T2 and Die Hard in terms of god tier action?
I would. It's as efficiently paced as Die Hard and more effectively character-driven than T2. T2 relies on a lot of voice over to spell out its themes, while Fury Road does it through quiet interactions and looks between characters
 

hendersonhank

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Oct 27, 2017
1,390
I will never understand the hype for this movie. It looked great (cinematography) but did nothing else for me on any level. At no point did I ever find it exciting or really enjoy any of the action.
 

Afrikan

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Oct 28, 2017
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One of my biggest regrets is not seeing this movie in a theater. Sometimes my local Alamo shows it but nobody wants to go with me.

No regrets, have an even better experience.... Save up for a Big OLED TV, if you don't have one. Get the 4K HDR Version and Player.

Nice surround sound system, turn it up pretty loud.

Turn off the lights. Sit closer than usual, if you'd like

And strap in and Bam... get ready for the rollercoaster again.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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I actually rewatched T2 recently and while the action beats and execution and pacing of those action sequences are fantastic, it really shows its age and I noticed stuff that I didn't before that kind of make T2 lose its luster a tad. Mainly:
- the hilariously obvious stunt doubles
- Furlong's Connor is easily the weakest link in the film
- the really blatant heavy-handed storytelling, with Sarah's voice-overs explaining things that the visuals are already showing us
- The middle of the film sagged a bit, between escaping the hospital and Sarah going after Miles. That section felt longer than I remembered. The T-1000 just vanishes from a good chunk of the film

I really love Fury Road's style of cinematography; it takes the quirky center framed aesthetic of Wes Anderson that I really like and applies it to the action to make it always clear even with quick cuts or frenetic chaos onscreen
 
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Nappuccino

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think it's better than T2, but maybe not quite as good as Die Hard. For me, Fury Road and Die Hard are more difficult to compare, for some reason.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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I will never understand the hype for this movie. It looked great (cinematography) but did nothing else for me on any level. At no point did I ever find it exciting or really enjoy any of the action.
The praise is for
- Insane meticulous practical effects and stunts
- Vivid visuals and precise cinematography that keep the action clear and concise
- Efficient pacing and world-building that uses little exposition to present its setting
- "Show, don't tell" characterizations that give the main characters fully-formed arcs told through their actions and interactions
- A film that uses action as storytelling, without sacrificing story or characters

If there is a word that sums up Mad Max Fury Road, it would be "efficient". Within 15 minutes, we've met the two protagonists, met the villain and gotten a sense of his personality, other characters like Nux and how he fits into this world, gotten a sense of the setting and its weird cultures and customs, and of the movie's tone. All of that delivered with the relentless pacing of one of Fury Road's car chases, with only the barest hint of exposition.

Mad Max Fury Road is efficient, in its plotting and characters and pacing; it's the kind of efficiency usually reserved for lean lower-budget crime thrillers. They say action speaks louder than words, and Fury Road is that maxim in cinematic form, not just in terms of being one hell of an action movie but in how it tells us about the characters and world both through their actions and the action onscreen

And yet it never ceases being a wonderful slice of epic blockbuster spectacle. You can practically envision the storyboards as the action ebbs and flows and the camera frames moments. It's a movie that's practically constant action, one set piece and thrilling beat to the next, and somehow still manages to weaves character arcs and world-building throughout the action.
 

zoukka

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Oct 28, 2017
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It could easily go down as the best action movie ever made

I think it misses the one factor that keeps it from reaching the god tier of action movies: relatable/interesting characters. They are not bad by any means, but not something I especially fondly remember either.
 

Deleted member 8257

Oct 26, 2017
24,586
I will never understand the hype for this movie. It looked great (cinematography) but did nothing else for me on any level. At no point did I ever find it exciting or really enjoy any of the action.
On first watch, its a high octane chase movie. But on repeat watch you will see so many things you took for granted. There is insane worldbuilding from just passing shots (people on stilts, Max' history). The movie is actually quite layered. Furiosa and Max have their arcs which resolve with each others help but without any exposition. There is no voiceover that says "I finally had my revenge on the tyrant Immortan Joe with the help of a nameless road warrior. All the people he killed and the women he raped. It was finally over...for us. I wanted the Road Warrior to stay, but it looked like his story was still not over...". None of that! All you get is Furiosa looking at Max as he was disappearing into the sea of crowd, they pass glances, and nod each other. Cut to black. That nod told you what a silly voiceover does in 5 minutes. Just a small example.

There is technical marvel at play too. But other posters described it well.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's a better film than T2.

Dunno about Die Hard, but possibly.
I wouldn't say it's better than Die Hard, but it is as good as Die Hard. Both films are lean efficient action flicks that tell their stories through action. They're both equally masterpieces for different reasons: Die Hard has the innovatively relatable hero; the bloody cat-and-mouse action that uses the unique confined setting of the tower to maximum effect and that keeps our hero on the defensive, outmanned, outgunned; the excellent villains.
 
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CattleCalypto

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Jul 26, 2018
990
it makes you sad that after "Beyond Thunderdome" George kind of wasted his career, like he didn't do anything in the 90s besides Lorenzo's Oil, a documentary, and Babe

and then wasted more years with Happy Feet

he could of made great action films during the 90s to rival Cameron and Mctiernan
 

Bumrush

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Oct 25, 2017
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One of my favorite films ever because it knows EXACTLY what it is and does that (no filler action) extremely well. It's also gorgeous and has just the right amount of "creep" to unsettle the viewer.
 

Deleted member 8257

Oct 26, 2017
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it makes you sad that after "Beyond Thunderdome" George kind of wasted his career, like he didn't do anything in the 90s besides Lorenzo's Oil, a documentary, and Babe

and then wasted more years with Happy Feet

he could of made great action films during the 90s to rival Cameron and Mctiernan
Miller was storyboarding for years. Just that no studio had balls to go with his insane vision and trapping two AAA holywood actors in a trailer in Namibian desert for months, and making them go through sheer physical acting.
 

hendersonhank

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Oct 27, 2017
1,390
The praise is for
- Insane meticulous practical effects and stunts
- Vivid visuals and precise cinematography that keep the action clear and concise
- Efficient pacing and world-building that uses little exposition to present its setting
- "Show, don't tell" characterizations that give the main characters fully-formed arcs told through their actions and interactions
- A film that uses action as storytelling, without sacrificing story or characters

If there is a word that sums up Mad Max Fury Road, it would be "efficient". Within 15 minutes, we've met the two protagonists, met the villain and gotten a sense of his personality, other characters like Nux and how he fits into this world, gotten a sense of the setting and its weird cultures and customs, and of the movie's tone. All of that delivered with the relentless pacing of one of Fury Road's car chases, with only the barest hint of exposition.

Mad Max Fury Road is efficient, in its plotting and characters and pacing; it's the kind of efficiency usually reserved for lean lower-budget crime thrillers. They say action speaks louder than words, and Fury Road is that maxim in cinematic form, not just in terms of being one hell of an action movie but in how it tells us about the characters and world both through their actions and the action onscreen

And yet it never ceases being a wonderful slice of epic blockbuster spectacle. You can practically envision the storyboards as the action ebbs and flows and the camera frames moments. It's a movie that's practically constant action, one set piece and thrilling beat to the next, and somehow still manages to weaves character arcs and world-building throughout the action.

But efficiency and precision in moviemaking don't mean anything if the viewer still doesn't care. I just didn't find myself caring about this movie. Not about the story, the characters, or yes even the action (which obviously most of the movie consisted of). I wasn't interested; I wasn't moved; I wasn't excited; I wasn't sad, happy, or angry. I wasn't entertained. And I remember almost nothing about the movie other than the over the top teal and orange color scheme. It just left no impression. And I'm someone who loves movies, loves action movies, loves sci-fi movies. And yes I liked the originals. It just did very, very little for me. I've never bothered to rewatch it.

Am I really the only one?
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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Miller was storyboarding for years. Just that no studio had balls to go with his insane vision and trapping two AAA holywood actors in a trailer in Namibian desert for months, and making them go through sheer physical acting.
It's a miracle we got the movie we got. For example, the silver lining of their Australian filming locales blooming and forcing them to move to Africa gave them time to figure out how to do the polecats through practical effects and stuntmen for real instead of filming them on a set and compositing them into the chase
 

CattleCalypto

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Jul 26, 2018
990
It's a miracle we got the movie we got. For example, the silver lining of their Australian filming locales blooming and forcing them to move to Africa gave them time to figure out how to do the polecats through practical effects and stuntmen for real instead of filming them on a set and compositing them into the chase
and now were probably not going to see a follow up since he is in that lawsuit
 

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Basically perfection as action films go. Beautiful and to the point. Action has actual impact and looks good. Very tense film too, even though i remember it well, i'm still excited and giddy when i rewatch the film. I'd say the brilliant musical score deserves a lot of credit, really elevates the film.
 

More_Badass

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But efficiency and precision in moviemaking don't mean anything if the viewer still doesn't care. I just didn't find myself caring about this movie. Not about the story, the characters, or yes even the action (which obviously most of the movie consisted of). I wasn't interested; I wasn't moved; I wasn't excited; I wasn't sad, happy, or angry. I wasn't entertained. And I remember almost nothing about the movie other than the over the top teal and orange color scheme. It just left no impression. And I'm someone who loves movies, loves action movies, loves sci-fi movies. And yes I liked the originals. It just did very, very little for me. I've never bothered to rewatch it.

Am I really the only one?
It's not just the film making. It's how the storytelling and characterizations are done through the efficient action. All the major characters have effective arcs that develop through the action and through their actions. The relationship between Max and Furiosa, the gradual moments of trust building between them, growing from outright trying to kill eachother to being close allies. Nux developing from selfish to selfless, as his mindset changes throughout the film and his perspective of the world is torn down. The careful set-up and pay-offs throughout that act as character building (ie the boot).

You should rewatch, and focus on the characters and how they interact and behave.
 

kvetcha

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Oct 27, 2017
7,835
Basically perfection as action films go. Beautiful and to the point. Action has actual impact and looks good. Very tense film too, even though i remember it well, i'm still excited and giddy when i rewatch the film. I'd say the brilliant musical score deserves a lot of credit, really elevates the film.

The editing (by Margaret Sixel, Miller's wife) is also a total masterclass.