It's really quite simple: People don't like to feel bad about themselves. Or that think that they are supporting terrible things. Or being hypocritical. When humans feel guilty, their natural response is to get defensive, and attack whoever or whatever is making them feel bad about themselves.
I don't care what you do or don't eat, just don't be a cunt about it.
Were "militant vegetarians" ever a thing? I can't remember them inciting as much ire as vegans do.
Treating something humanely doesn't mean treating it like a human.
humane
hjʊˈmeɪn/
adjective
- 1.
having or showing compassion or benevolence.
Vegetarianism is a great step in the right direction but not logical. Either harming and killing animals for your own pleasure is moral or it isn't.This brings up the point that at least vegetarianism is something I could see some logic and sense too. But vegan though, that's just seems way too may fucking hoops and just an all around bad idea. Yogurt, milk and even eggs to a certain degree is a huge part of vegetarian cuisine in South Asia.
Vegetarianism is a great step in the right direction but not logical. Either harming and killing animals for your own pleasure is moral or it isn't.
As a vegan, shit like the above is so frustrating. I don't give a fuck about your feelings, animals are literally abused and tortured so you can feel 'comfortable' about your diet. What she's essentially saying is that she wants to live her life without being guilt-tripped for her own damn choices. If you feel so guilty, then be a fucking vegan you asshole!
Veganism is a moral position. Asking whether we should be doing something is by definition a moral question. I don't see any need to apologise for that. Of course that doesn't mean vegans can't encourage people to take steps towards the ultimate goal or to point out other benefits such as how avoiding animal products is better for the environment.Well you try being 100% moral with everything you do Mr cheesecake and have fun while you are at it.
There's almost nothing on this planet that humanity has achieved would have been possible without the help of others i.e the environment or the organisms that inhabit it. Using their help is/was never the problem, the problem was doing it in a sustainable that doesn't harm it in a unfixable way. Eggs and dairy in most countries will probably fall under that. Please don't post those studies and videos about milking cows being abused on US farms, I already know of them.
I also hate the tendency to turn this into a moral argument and that is perhaps vegans keep losing. The proper way to approach the argument is from the angle of sustainability, health reasons and overall common sense, not moral guilt tripping and because 'You' think its the right thing to do.
Reasons not to take the morality route:
1) First of all, not everyone is going to agree with the same morals and code of conduct as you. That's why we have so many religions. Some people will never get on board that killing animals is immoral.
2) Secondly, what about those who just don't give a shit about morals anyway ? Good amount of the population is apathetic about social justice causes until it directly affects them. There will always be people who say they either don't care about moral consequences and or will continue to consume meat even as they recognize their own moral failing.
3) Third, did I mention the word stupid and condescending yet ?
Yeah but isn't that kind of like suppressing their right to an opinion? It's not like their opinion is harming them right? That's kind of a fact of living in a society, you have to accept that there will be people you disagree with. I see offensive signs about meat ALL THE TIME. That doesn't mean I try and actively suppress their opinion.
And you wonder why people dislike vegans..As a vegan, shit like the above is so frustrating. I don't give a fuck about your feelings, animals are literally abused and tortured so you can feel 'comfortable' about your diet. What she's essentially saying is that she wants to live her life without being guilt-tripped for her own damn choices. If you feel so guilty, then be a fucking vegan you asshole!
Living a long life without eating meat is not a life worth living, imo."Living a long life is not natural our ancestors died at age 25 and you should too!!"
1. See above.
2. Meat eaters kill far more plants than vegans, because animals are fed plants for years before being slaughtered for their meat. The higher up on the food chain you eat, the more of anything below has to be killed. For example, let's say you only ate lions... you'd be responsible for killing not only lions, but also all the herbivorous animals they ate, and all the plants all of those animals ate.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/06/27/155527365/visualizing-a-nation-of-meat-eaters
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/foodfeatures/meat/
It might be because I don't live in the US so they might eat a little bit of meat in comparison to the US. but going by this average life expectancy of 2015 chart thing, atleast 3 of the top 5 life expectancy countries dont have a mostly vegetable diet at all.
I'm not sure how the diet is in Monaco and San Mariano is though. They might eat that way.
My vegan friend is eating his vegan food and I'm eating a hamburger and we're sitting and laughing about this discussion.
People eat, whatever, you can't force someone to go on a specific diet because YOU want it, it's their choice, fuck it. Don't be obnoxious and let people be.
Monaco is the highest life expectancy
And it's primarily a vegetable diet , if they cut out meat completely I would imagine the life expectancy would go up even further.
They eat small amounts of fish , very little if any red meat with some eggs and milk again small amounts
It's worth noting that there are most definitely other reasons Monaco has the highest life expectancy... similar deal for San Marino.
This is 100% accurate.I'm going to be honest, some of the things people are seeing as too much elitism to bear seem eerily similar to complaints that people have of feminists for caring too much about feminism and/or being too open about it. And that's just one example. Especially the explicit disregard for the ideology being justified by personal discomfort with specific individuals.
I've said this before, but my problem with vegans/vegetarians is how much they lie about how good vegan substitutes are. No, that sponge you are eating does not tast like chicken. That eggless "mayonnaise" is not as good or better than the real thing. None of the alternatives are as good or better.
It's worth noting that there are most definitely other reasons Monaco has the highest life expectancy... similar deal for San Marino.
I'd also note countries like Spain and Australia in the overall lists (joint 4th)... very much meat eating countries. Hell, I rode around Spain with a vegan recently and I've never seen someone struggle so much to find a decent amount of calories.
Isn't eggless mayonnaise just super full of sugar where real mayonnaise is literally just fat?
I have no idea. What has that to do with what I said though? :b
If anything, the trend of higher life expectancies has a trend of having more animal fats like pork or fish. But could it be that it doesn't matter? People in Monaco are not effectively vegetarian and they wouldn't live longer if they became vegan.
Things like fish, eggs and bacon are always consumed in relatively "high" amounts by supercentenarians.
The fact that the eat very little meat is why they live so long
but I hate mayonnaise but at least real mayonnaise isn't going to make you fat
Err fat will make you fat if you eat wrong kinds of fats and too much of it. Mayonnaise is like the worst example you could've come up with here.
Where the hell are you getting this information. Show some facts. Because you look at say the Okinawan diet and they eat more meat than the rest of Japan. And I've been to Monaco, they eat meat.
Monaco is a playground for the rich and famous. Comparing the average population there to a country as diverse as Spain and assuming it's down to them eating more veg... probably not a smart bet.That's a big gap , if people love meat and don't want to give it up that's fine but it's not good for you
You are missing they key words very little meat that is proven . What is not proven is my argument that if they completely cut meat out they would increase their life expectancy but if they did a dietary experiment i believe it would
https://www.getold.com/want-to-live-a-long-healthy-life-take-a-lesson-from-monaco
I'm on my phone so I can't quote the specifics and they also have a higher life expectancy than Japan
Get Old.com
Increase your Life Expectancy.
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you're article even says "lots of seafood" anyway.
... Oh, you believe this fib. No, dietary fat will not make you fat the way carbs will. It's glucose that turns into fat stores in your body.
I edited for fish but they mostly eat fruits and vegetables more so than fish
I could get a scholarly article for you if you would like
Again, where did I state that? And yes the sugary version is probably lot worse, but mayonnaise contains tons of energy so it's easy to exceed your daily calorie burn with foods like it.
You said fat makes you fat. Anything can make you fat but certainly (I'm not stupid enough to not think that it depends on calorie intake), non-real mayonnaise is worse. Also rip insulin response.