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jschreier

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is this still the case? I got the sense that Jason was throwing some shade at him on Kotaku Splitscreen this week, lol, when referring to games personalities leaving the industry only to return a year later and acquire massive followings.
That was actually a reference to someone who did far, far worse things than make a dumb joke on Twitter.
 

Jersey_Tom

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To clarify, I'm not talking about simply reiterating the opinions of others when I'm not qualified, I'm talking about following the coversation that's happening around a game so I know what areas to address, and then going back and playing the game with that in mind in order to properly evaluate it. This is HOW you research something that you aren't necessarily an expert in.

This isn't because you CAN'T review a game in a vacuum on it's own merits, but it might not be useful to the audience that's reading. Like, I haven't played FIFA in like at least 5 years, and if you asked me to review it, I could certainly tell you what my experience was, but I'd struggle to compare it to other recent entries in the series or competing games, and that's going to make my review shitty for most of the people who want to read a FIFA review. So I'd read up on what has been changed and try to evaluate that as I play the game. Actually becoming a first hand expert and playing a half dozen other similar games at the same time is not realistically an option given the week-to-a-few-days that you generally have to write a review.

But it's still a kind of influence. My review is being impacted by what others have said in a meaningful way. But it's in no way plagiarism.

Well as I mentioned I'm not expecting game reviews in a vacuum and I even bring up researching other games within a genre or the reviews/conversations therein. I'll expand on that and say that that also applies to reviews and reactions of games within the same franchise as you've brought up FIFA as an example. I think this is much less ethically dubious as opposed to, in my opinion, watching someone's review on FIFA '19 in order for you to review FIFA '19. I don't think you'd need to be an expert in FIFA to say that it's a big deal that they're getting the Champion's League this year or make a comment about the Ultimate Team feature. Yes it's not plagiarism to the letter, but I find that similar to a food critic eating at a restaurant and then looking at other people's reviews before writing their own. Opinion/takes in practice should be solely the thoughts of the person reviewing them. To go with the food analogy, it's been proven that suggestion can effect how people taste things or remember what something tasted like. What I'm looking for isn't necessarily an authority on the subject, but someone who can realistically get through talking about a given thing in their own words without having some other person influence that opinion.

If I was producing a segment and I knew for instance Filip was holding up his review of Dead Cells because he had to see what other people were saying about the game, then I'd have some serious questions as to what exactly I'm paying him for. Because honestly I could get any yahoo to watch other people's reviews and then piece together something that, while not outright plagiarism, is just an amalgamation of other people's reviews.
 

Devilgunman

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wow, dude just keeps on digging his own grave. Is he really thinking anyone would sympathize with his weakass excuses? Just said you've made mistake and moved on, Christ.
 

Vesper

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Oct 28, 2017
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I don't quite understand the outrage over Colin inviting him to his show. You all realize he's likely going to grill the shit out of him, right?
 

Council Pop

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Is this still the case? I got the sense that Jason was throwing some shade at him on Kotaku Splitscreen this week, lol, when referring to games personalities leaving the industry only to return a year later and acquire massive followings.

I thought that was a Nick Robinson reference? Especially as he made reference to the person 'doing' shitty things. Colin didn't do any specific big bad things and get outed, he's just always been a right wing arsehole and eventually people got sick of his shit.

Jason was on Colin's show last year, just before the controversy.
 

Rigby

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Oct 25, 2017
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what happened wasn't intentional which is hard to believe considering how similar the two reviews were.
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Nav

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Oct 27, 2017
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That was actually a reference to someone who did far, far worse things than make a dumb joke on Twitter.
Ah, that clearly went over my head then. Glad y'all are ok.

You mentioned interviewing Filip on Splitscreen. Since it sounds like he may not be amenable to that, perhaps we'll hear his perspective from Colin. I'm intrigued.
 

Take5GiantSteps

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Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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I suspect the predictably awful thing is about to be what happens as he is only going to find an audience in gaming now with a certain segment.
 

Boiled Goose

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Nov 2, 2017
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Problem with our society.

Do bad a shit. Get rewarded with attention

He did nothing notable except plagiarize and get fired.
 
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"How dare people who don't have any connection to me in any way whatsoever be friends/follow each other"
Dude, people don't like your guy for a very good reason, examples of why have been listed in previous pages of this thread before he even sent that tweet. If you jump each time someone throws shade his way, you're gonna get tired very fast.
 

Vesper

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Oct 28, 2017
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who shit in your cereal

?

It's just bizarre to me why you are so concerned and seemingly hurt by people who you don't know personally's friendships and/or other connections.

Dude, people don't like your guy for a very good reason, examples of why have been listed in previous pages of this thread before he even sent that tweet. If you jump each time someone throws shade his way, you're gonna get tired very fast.

Lol, Colin Moriarty, "my guy". Please don't.
 

Nav

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think he was referring to Nick Robinson.

I thought that was a Nick Robinson reference? Especially as he made reference to the person 'doing' shitty things. Colin didn't do any specific big bad things and get outed, he's just always been a right wing arsehole and eventually people got sick of his shit.

Jason was on Colin's show last year, just before the controversy.

As a plagiarism apologist this is by far the worst news to come out of this for me. I had no idea Nick bounced back. X_X
 

Dark_Castle

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's a standard confession/apology/statement staple. There's a good video from Bobby Burns breaking down these kind of videos:


It works to some extent. Look at those people going "Awwww it's ok I forgive you <3". Those twitter harassment is unwarranted especially towards his family members, but this guy did not show a sign of remorse or sincere apology in this video, but rather he tried to shift the blame around like that Fifa review pointed out by Jason. WTF was that?
 
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It's pretty amazing how an incredible fuck up can get someone so much spotlight. Negative or positive, this guys has to love this attention. I'm curious to see where this goes because it seems like at this post we should just look past it.

What could be said on another show that already hasn't been astablished here?
 

New Fang

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Oct 27, 2017
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Always fascinating to see someone caught red handed try the "I take responsibility, but I didn't intentionally do anything wrong" option.

Also fascinating to see some people buy the bullshit excuses.
 

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From the author who wrote the FIFA 18 Review

I had not paid this any attention until now. What the fuck. At first I thought a lot of it was coincidence (when you are reviewing a game, you will talk about a lot of similar things, often even in the same order), but once you get to the Joycons part, like holy shit. That's where you know it, it's a word-for-word copy.
 

TheCthultist

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Oct 27, 2017
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Always nice to have a face to associate with a word. That thumbnail is now what I'm always going to think of whenever someone says the word "plagiarism" from now on.
 

Meelow

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Oct 31, 2017
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Yeah, the fact that he's trying to call out Jason for doing his job and the monetization tells me everything I need to know, shame on you Filip.
 

ShinobiBk

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From the author who wrote the FIFA 18 Review

Ok I'm not defending him here but some of that is beyond reaching. Saying the game runs at 60fps and listing modes and what they entail is not plagiarism. Unless that writer somehow thinks those are original thoughts and not basic info dumps.

The stuff aboutthe joy cons is damn near a direct copy but everything else is like the most basic shit ever.
 

JustinH

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I think I kinda expect this to happen. It doesn't seem to be doing him any favors here (by here, I mean "everywhere").
This is the thing that scares me about the rapid YouTubization of media criticism—that it sees kids skip the dirty work of your typical clerkship/internship/J-school experience. Every career path is made better by a period in which you can fuck up and grow through mistakes. For example, in my earliest writing days, I nearly learned about libel the hard way. The stewardship of an editor and a mentor steered me out of serious, career-changing consequences when I was very young. (Not a gaming-journalism moment, if you're wondering.)
I think it's really unfortunate that Mr. Miucin didn't have someone there to catch him and go "Hey, don't do this shit."
This response from IGN's reviews executive editor is straight up brutal....damn!


Man... coming from Mr. Stapleton, this feels like it has a lot of weight. Also those CoolCatLily tweets.

I find it really disappointing, although sadly not surprising, that there's apparently harassment being flung at him and his family. I wish that wasn't just "Oh yeah... that's how the internet is."
 
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