His popularity across not only his followers, but other media outlets.
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Jordan Peterson - The "Intellectual" We Deserve
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His popularity across not only his followers, but other media outlets.
What I mean is, he pretends to be many things, and he mainly dabbles in social issues and presents himself as a sociologist.
I get that but let's not entertain that guy's delusions.
He has made no peer reviewed articles, doesn't even have the credentials and his work is so shoddy that it would be like calling me a writer and if you've ever read my prose you know no one is ever going to pay for that.
You can disagree with his positions, but not his academic credentials.
https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en
He has over 200 academic papers published, with over 10,000 citations.
Can you clarify what you mean by "he has no credentials"? He got his PhD in Clinical Psychology from McGill, before becoming a tenured professor at Harvard and Toronto.
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As a psychologist, yes.
As a sociologist? no and with the quality of his social commentaries I doubt he would be able to find a jury who would let his shit fly.
The guy is as much a sociologist as he is a translator.
So I think this thread has value in the deconstruction of his arguments (less in mocking him).
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I can sum it up in fewer words than three hours:
He doesn't like Women being equal and he is insecure. He preaches to insecure males and gives them very basic life advice that will improve their lives so they will follow the rest of his rhetoric as gospel (because they are typically lonely white men).
He is human garbage who uses big words to convince people he is "smart" when the reality is he is just an educated bigot.
There ya go, no 3 hour video needed.
I didn't expect such a good article from nymag or am I making the cardinal sin of confusing nymag with nypost?
I get it that nypost is still trash.
I came reading the article as a diatribe against "the L.E.F.T" with some Peterson inside of it.
But then again I knew something was off with the person tweeting it and all.
But yeah again another must read.
Where does he describe himself as a sociologist?
He's been pretty consistent in describing himself as clinical psychologist. Relentless, even.
Or is that your own assessment based on podcasts he goes on and debates he engages with?
By that logic, Leo DiCaprio is a climatologist.
When a clinical psychologist talks about social groups and their ideas, that's entering the realm of sociology.
This is where Peterson exposes himself as a know-it-all-know-nothing on anything in that arena. That's why all of his enemies are postmodern neomarxists.
What do you think he's more famous for, being an entry level self-help guru because of his psychological background or attacking spooky leftists while cozying up real good to many institutions supported by Koch money?
I was replying to the assertion that "he has no credentials or peer reviewed articles". This is patently wrong.
He engages in a lot of debate outside of his field of academic expertise that I don't agree with; but that's a separate topic.
It's more effective to be specific when being critical rather than dogpilling everything into twitter conspiracies. That goes for all 'sides'.
Nah, this is that thread for that "separate topic" since your other thread was closed :P
Oh I've engaged in open, good faith discussion earlier in this topic plenty. (Summary: Impressed and amused by JP's delivery -> more nuanced criticism of his specific positions). You can read it if you like.
I started a new topic about a widely discussed article because this one seems to exist solely as an echo chamber for the pre-converted, and that makes it unrewarding.
But it's the mod's house and they've clearly stated their political views. Personally if that's the philosophy I'd also like to see one OT for everything stupid Trump does (which is everything, all the time - exhausting) instead of 10 new threads a day.
It depends why you're here. Dogmas and echo chambers are boring. Challenging views is more helpful and fun. So I'll take that journey elsewhere.
That post was very obviously referring to the field of sociology.
That was the first time I've heard this dude speak after ignoring him this whole time. He's fucking creepy. This does not seem like a dude who interacts with women....like...at all. You know he calls women females lol
To the surprise of no one peterson is linked to the koch brothers
https://mobile.twitter.com/petercoffin/status/1028063142570614784
(Whole thread is worth a read)
https://mobile.twitter.com/petercoffin/status/1028063142570614784
(Whole thread is worth a read)
Holy shit are you dense or is it Peterson attacking your brain?
Reread the beginning of the conversation
I never made the claim that he style himself as a sociologist, his current position in the media however are well within their right to describe him as such because what he keep talking about is part of sociology.
Except he has much knowledge in that field as he does in marine biology.
If he kept doing clinical psychology and properly provided sources and sound research this thread would be as long as the one for Hervé Serry.
Where the hell do you think I claim he doesn't have a phd and haven't done anything in academia even?
Don't inject yourself in a conversation to then build a strawman to burn.
You mean a man who views traditional hierarchies as key to society has disgusting and repulsive views on women?!
I hope his followers were already climate change deniers and that he is not converting any more people to this dangerous type of thinking. JP is definitely a nutjob.
This is a fantastic Twitter thread by Peter Coffin. If anyone hasn't read through it yet, you really should.
Climate denial is no better than flat earthers fuck anyone who believes in that shite.
OP
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I posted pages and pages and pages and pages ago, but, yeah, he certainly likes to retweet climate change denial stuff constantly. But, maybe he's just asking questions, adding to the discourse, and RTs!=Endorsements. lol
Going by the thumbnail, isn't fluoride the thing in toothpaste?
Yup he is feeding his minions utter bollox wrapped in sciencey terms. I wouldn't be surprised if his dogma he's led to rapes at this point.
Ugh, you guys really should mark ridicule. That was a waste of time.
P.O.E.
Purity of Essence.
(I still can't believe after Contrapoints' video he tweeted out a "no comment" statement)
He is ridiculous, and why the comparison works. Why was that video in particular a waste of time?
"Peterson is okay to attack women viciously and say women should be forced into sex, but god forbid anyone mocks him. Watch me get very angry and hurt when someone does. Won't waste the time and care when he talks about women, though, since he's a man with deep manthoughts and it's normal he thinks that way about women."
Ridiculing him is an absolutely fair response, and the mere fact that women aren't even allowed to mock him for his disgusting ideas is bonkers. I am sorry, but if his supporters are so fragile that mockery of their idol incites them, while hatred towards women doesn't, maybe the "don't mock" line isn't done because ~it helps~ but because that's the way they want the conversation to go. After all, people not arguing in good faith like when enemies engage them exactly in the way they want to.
While in reality, nothing dispells a fraud like Peterson better than well deserved mockery.
Ridiculing him is an absolutely fair response, and the mere fact that women aren't even allowed to mock him for his disgusting ideas is bonkers. I am sorry, but if his supporters are so fragile that mockery of their idol incites them, while hatred towards women doesn't, maybe the "don't mock" line isn't done because ~it helps~ but because that's the way they want the conversation to go. After all, people not arguing in good faith like when enemies engage them exactly in the way they want to.
While in reality, nothing dispells a fraud like Peterson better than well deserved mockery.
Don't frame me as a JP apologist when I get nothing out of a mockery video, thanks.
Guess it comes down to that.
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You can just say "is this video about mocking him or debunking his arguments?" and make it clear you are only interested in the debunking videos. So there is not miscommunication and you don't have to watch or respond to mocking videos.
And I think separating "mocking him" and "deconstructing his arguments" are a false dichotomy. Drawing parallels to rhetoric mocked in the past, like the video did, does also deconstruct what he's presenting.
The one who only takes a joke for a joke and seriousness only seriously, have a bad understanding of both.
Welcome back, you've been missed.
Also whatever the fuck is he going on about?
Like Burger King is making a statement with its name or whatever?
And a King provides food? What the fuck? That's the work of peons to provide food even in the imagery of the idea of "Kings&Queens".
Kings provide protection and leadership and that's about it.
It's someone doing a parody on him. It's probably the best impression I've heard though, it's not surprising you were fooled.
It makes as much sense as everything I've heard him say or everything I've read from him.
Like really if you told me that one chapter of his latest book was about Burger King I would believe you.
True, but I was referring to the intonation and such as well in the parody video.
Hahah this is awesome. If he sounded a little bit more like he was on the verge of bawling the voice would be perfect, and as it stands the parody of a JP brainstorm is spot-on
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