He has made some great work, I will reserve judgement until this releases, and am frankly looking forward to it.
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He still shines a light on things a lot of people don't pay any thought to, and he has a lot of good ideas(even if his execution is questionable, and I'm not a fan of his wacky stunts like taking a boat to Guantanamo in Sicko).
Dude he wrote exactly what states would flip and why. It's one thing to say "Trump is doing to win." It's another to say "Trump is going to win because 4 Midwest states-- Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin-- are going to flip from blue to Red."
Nobody has to like the guy but he said Trump would win before ANYONE on the left was saying it, and he got TONS of shit for it then. Then he ended up being right. Like at least give credit where it's due.
the problem is you're using facts to explain why Trump won but you fail to factor in when a mass amount of people have thrown facts out the window. anecdotes can't always be dismissed when it comes to politics in this country.
the day after the election in 2016.
You're right, that's the election day. This trailer frames the question of "what happened?" as this waking moment of the day after.
It's actually kinda crazy if you consider how long ago those classic docs came out and how they've only become MORE relevant.
He called Trump winning the way he did very early on. If the Dems had listened to him, maybe you wouldn't be under Trumps rule.
"Mitt Romney is going to raise more money than Barack Obama. That should guarantee his victory," Moore told HuffPost host Josh Zepps. "I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.' To assume that the other side is just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition."
Did anyone see Where To Invade Next? It was pretty great.
Incidentally I got to ask him a question during the Q&A about what he thought about Bernie, this was prior to the primaries ending.
He said he liked him a lot, but thought the country would never elect him, he was too far left.
Incidentally I got to ask him a question during the Q&A about what he thought about Bernie, this was prior to the primaries ending.
He said he liked him a lot, but thought the country would never elect him, he was too far left.
people aren't numbers. and treating them like they are brought you Trump
Congratulations
He was one of about 3 people who said Trump was going to win. He's exactly who we need to be hearing from, whether you like it or not.
I think what you are overlooking is that he is from Michigan, and saw how Trump would appeal to those areas destroyed by bad policies.
I made a thread saying I thought he'd win and my thread was locked. I then got banned for a month because I made a I told you so thread. I was hitting people with truths like Cassandra and people on GAF were too busy fellating each other to see sense..
Results. Oriented. Thinking.
The polling showed that, with all available facts, Trump had a 1 in 4 chance of winning.
That means there was a 1 in 4 chance that Trump would convert all four of those critical Midwestern states.
That's the same chance as flipping two coins and having both come up heads. It's possible, but it's not the outcome to bet on.
And if you do bet on it and end up winning, you still should not have bet on it in the first place. It makes no sense.
That's what Michael Moore did here.
Also, "....and that's why we have Trump" has become meaningless, because too many people say that to anyone they disagree with.
This guy gets it.
I agree with Michael Moore's politics (more or less), but I am pretty sure this thing will just be a bunch of "I told you so"s that will be totally unjustified. He made a dumb bet and ended up winning. That's all that happened here.
Plenty of people said he'd win. Scott Adams was one, and we all agree that guy's a pretty terrible person right?
Being right about something doesn't mean you have anything worth listening to. And being right about one thing doesn't excuse a terrible track record of being wrong.
All these analysts and experts and pundits have jobs because people forget that they're no better than guessing.
You've got to hand it to Moore that he predicted Trump would win, but it was still a lucky call. If not for Comey, he most likely wouldn't have, and I still don't know how we were supposed to see that shit coming just two weeks before the election.
Also, he purposefully made Charlton Heston look racist with editing, and then denied he did it. I've not forgiven him for that. If you accuse someone of racism, then stand by it. Don't pull that Anne Coulter 'I didn't say he was gay!' bullshit.
Also, he purposefully made Charlton Heston look racist with editing, and then denied he did it. I've not forgiven him for that. If you accuse someone of racism, then stand by it. Don't pull that Anne Coulter 'I didn't say he was gay!' bullshit.
I can't find this interview for the life of me and it's been super frustrating that Michael Moore is going on this victory tour about his prediciton. I recall vividly that he stated in some other interview that "Trump would never win". And being super confident and bullish about it. This is not the interview I'm thinking of: but here, he predicts Trump will have the biggest landslide loss ever 9 minutes.
The thing with Moore's Trump prediction is he laid out several bullet points and they all ended up spot on. There's luck and then there's foresight. I think a little bit of both plays in with that prediction. Certainly don't think it's fair to downplay the prediction with "he got lucky".
This video should more or less cement Michael Moore's legacy as the guy who tried to warn everyone about the oncoming train but everyone just sat around on the tracks and had a party like Hillary had already won. He did this live monologue around the middle of 2016 if I'm recalling the exact time it went down.
Would he have been right had Comey not sent that letter to Congress?
He pretty much nails it completely, even the 'own the libs' sentiment to this day.
It can be reasonably surmised based on the thing that Moore's followers in this thread seem to irrationally despise, data.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
I like Michael Moore, but Fahrenheit 911 is an embarrassingly bad film. But like, Awful Truth and TV Nation and most of the rest of his movies are great.
I think this one is really going depend on if he can maintain his sense of humor rather than lose it buried in anger.
not only is that a "probably"(meaning not "for sure"), even that article touches on other reasons why she may have lost, the same ones Moore had pointed out prior to the election.
If a certain former FBI Director hadn't sent a certain letter, Trump would have lost 3 of the 4 states Moore predicted (I think he still gets Ohio either way), and Moore would have been a prognosticator who got it wrong.
I'll give him credit for calling the exact states though.
I'll give him credit for calling the exact states though.
That's why I said reasonably surmise. It sounds reasonable to me that a massive negative event which showed up in the polling cost someone an election they lost by 80k total votes. Clinton made her first trip to Michigan AFTER the Comey letter happened so they clearly saw something right then.
This is one of the wisest statements I've read on Era in quite some time.
