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Oct 25, 2017
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i don't see what the person filming could have done in this situation

they were on the wrong side of the lake

unless you're an extremely skilled swimmer, they would have drowned long before you could possibly have gotten to them
 

Turbo Tu-Tone

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You "jump in" people aren't thinking straight. You're going to jump into a body of water, swim across the channel to where the wreck is, dive to the car , manipulate a wrecked car door open, and swim with a maybe unconscious, probably dead (but still heavy) person X amount of meters to shore?

This ain't a movie.
This. Fuck around and end up drowning yourself.
 

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i don't see what the person filming could have done in this situation

they were on the wrong side of the lake

unless you're an extremely skilled swimmer, they would have drowned long before you could possibly have gotten to them
What pitiful swimmers are you all? In school sports we regularely swam 1000m and the question was not if we can do it, just in what time. Never saw myself as a skilled swimmer.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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What pitiful swimmers are you all? In school sports we regularely swam 1000m and the question was not if we can do it, just in what time. Never saw myself as a skilled swimmer.
right

you have a couple of minutes to save someone when they're drowning. did you even watch the video? that's a few hundred meters to swim

good luck doing that in a couple of minutes to save this person, mr internet badass

maybe i'm overestimating the distance, but going to the car, locating the person, opening the car door, getting a good grip of them and bringing them to the surface would be a tough ask to do in a couple of minutes for most people here
 

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What pitiful swimmers are you all? In school sports we regularely swam 1000m and the question was not if we can do it, just in what time. Never saw myself as a skilled swimmer.
Swimming in school is one thing, but swimming to rescue an unconscious person from a smashed up car is another.

There's a reason why there are dive units attached to police forces.
 

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right

you have a couple of minutes to save someone when they're drowning. did you even watch the video? that's a few hundred meters to swim

good luck doing that in a couple of minutes to save this person, mr internet badass

maybe i'm overestimating the distance, but going to the car, locating the person, opening the car door, getting a good grip of them and bringing them to the surface would be a tough ask to do in a couple of minutes for most people here
I said I dont believe I had a chance. I woulnd't try if I would see a risk for me, but I sure would swim accross that lake if no life was in the line without feeling insecure about it.
 

SmarmySmurf

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Nov 5, 2017
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Can't swim, so the only real option for me is to call emergency services.

If I could swim, I would probably have probably attempted to help after calling, but I don't expect I would be successful.
 

Xiaomi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah I don't have the physical conditioning to actually help much in that situation. Maybe if I had some kind of tool that could smash the windows to prevent the doors from sealing under the pressure of the water. But likely I'd just call for help.
 

saenima

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well i wouldn't get in the lake since i can't swim, but i wouldn't be filming other people's misery no. Especially in a situation where i could be doing something to help instead.
 

gozu

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nothing could be reasonably done in this situation. Even if I were james bond, I probably wouldn't be able to save her. 911 would take too long.
 

xyla

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Oct 27, 2017
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If I was alone, I would call for help immediately and then (or while making a call) start running around the lake to try and help from that side.

I'm not a good swimmer, swimming straight across would take away too long for me.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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After calling it in I'm immediately trying to get to that side of the river. I don't know that I'm that confident to swim over there, but driving will probably take too long and we're talking about minutes before it's all over for the people in the car anyway.

What pitiful swimmers are you all? In school sports we regularely swam 1000m and the question was not if we can do it, just in what time. Never saw myself as a skilled swimmer.
lol not all of us are high school age or in good aerobic shape.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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What pitiful swimmers are you all? In school sports we regularely swam 1000m and the question was not if we can do it, just in what time. Never saw myself as a skilled swimmer.

I was in the Junior Olympics for swimming and swam several miles a day during that time so I can safely say you're full of shit. If you're not used to swimming, swimming even that distance can be life threatening so get out of here with your macho bullshit.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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You "jump in" people aren't thinking straight. You're going to jump into a body of water, swim across the channel to where the wreck is, dive to the car , manipulate a wrecked car door open, and swim with a maybe unconscious, probably dead (but still heavy) person X amount of meters to shore?

This ain't a movie.
From the looks of the channel, a competent swimmer could get across without too much difficulty. They may not be able to do much with a mangled door, but you don't know that until you get there. And considering the thing doesn't even have windows anymore, the door probably isn't a concern.

Yeah, the odds are against the passenger and you might not find much left when you get there, but why not try? If you were laying dying in that car I'm pretty sure you'd appreciate someone giving it a shot in the dark. But if you're ever in an accident and would prefer everyone just to post your death to instagram, you let us know.

The task obviously isn't for everyone and someone who doesn't feel confident in their swimming ability should not put themselves in danger, but as a competent swimmer who used to help teach classes and assist lifeguarding, after contacting emergency services I'd be moving across that water asap to do whatever I could do, even if that turns out to be nothing.
 

marrec

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Oct 26, 2017
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Based on the video the lake doesn't look that big, anyone in reasonable health who knew how to swim would be able to easily make it across.

Diving down to get the victim out of the car is another thing entirely, but not unreasonable for a strong swimmer trained in CPR.

I don't know why someone wouldn't at least attempt to make it across the lake.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oh shit.

First thing I would call emergency services with a location first.

I don't think I would swim across, it is the shortest distance straight line style, but looking at the area towards the end of the video, I think It would be best to run up the hill and down and across to the other side of the lake faster, and have more arm strength to pull her out than if I swam.
 

Khrol

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Oct 28, 2017
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God damn! After a violent tumble down a huge hill like that, and being on the opposite side of a fairly large body of water, I would choose not to do anything other than call it in. No sense in risking your life there.
 

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I was in the Junior Olympics for swimming and swam several miles a day during that time so I can safely say you're full of shit. If you're not used to swimming, swimming even that distance can be life threatening so get out of here with your macho bullshit.
I don't say you can do it if you are not used to swimming...I am. And if you swim several miles the max. 500ft shouln't be a problem for you.

Anyway, I would try and if I feeled my power draining half the way I would cancel. I wouldn't be able to dive more than 5m deep anyway, but sorry, many people over here are conditioned to help.

There were several incindents here lately where people died in river Rhine while trying. I wouldn't probably try in a river or with cold water, others don't care.
 
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Downhome

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Oct 27, 2017
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I can't swim. I'd likely end recording once the car hit the water and call for help that second, and at the same time and after that I'd run around calling out for someone local to help as well. There isn't much more that I would be able to do. As badly as I would feel for whoever was in the car, it wouldn't' make any sense for me to jump in knowing I'd for sure drown myself.
 

Garth2000

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'd call for help for sure.

I'm not sure I would dive in though. Not based on what I can tell from this video. It seemed pretty far away, and it also looks like some kind of hydro electric building on the right side of the frame. Swimming near those things is all kinds of bad news and would only put the emergency services at further risk if something happened to me too.
 

Zoe

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Oct 25, 2017
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Based on the video the lake doesn't look that big, anyone in reasonable health who knew how to swim would be able to easily make it across.

Diving down to get the victim out of the car is another thing entirely, but not unreasonable for a strong swimmer trained in CPR.

I don't know why someone wouldn't at least attempt to make it across the lake.
Lake water is nothing like swimming in a pool.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I don't say you can do it if you are not used to swimming...I am. And if you swim several miles the max. 500ft shouln't be a problem for you.

Anyway, I would try and if I feeled my power draining half the way I would cancel. I wouldn't be able to dive more than 5m deep anyway, but sorry, many people over here are conditioned to help.

There were several incindents here lately where people died in river Rhine while trying. I wouldn't probably try in a river or with cold water, others don't care.

Have you ever swam across a lake? Swimming in a lake is much, much different and more dangerous than a swimming pool.
 

zoukka

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Oct 28, 2017
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Unless you have trained surface rescue you would most likely be dragged down by the person you are trying to help. The courses where you get a surface rescuer certificate are brutal and even people with great fitness fail it regularly.

That said I don't if I could just sit there I would at least swim a little bit and try calling out for the victim or something.
 

Jebral

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Oct 29, 2017
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I mean, in all seriousness, do people not understand attempting to save someone from water without proper training is very, very dangerous? When a panicked person latches on to you, they pull you down and you're gone too.
 

PhaZe 5

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'd make the attempt and fail. Adrenaline helps power me across the lake, but that same energy wouldn't allow me to hold my breath underwater for long due to extreme heart rate, and I suck at opening my eyes underwater. I'd probably make it six feet deep and realize I can't reasonably help without risking my life and come back up for air and wait for help.
 

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Have you ever swam across a lake? Swimming in a lake is much, much different and more dangerous than a swimming pool.
I swam in lakes, oceans, pools, excavator pits and rivers. While rivers and the ocean are very different from a pool, I have never experienced a difference between a lake and a pool besides maybe worse visibility. But for the act of swimming bodies of water without currents just felt exactly the same.

I am person who fears for his life very much and won't swim where there are warning signs, possible currents etc. but yeah, I crossed some lakes.

I never knew cultures are so different but over here swimming in lakes is just some kind of recreation for lots of people.
 

Veliladon

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Oct 27, 2017
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Seems like the woman was the passenger, his husband was the driver, he stoped to take some pics of the lake and the hand brake failed, sadly his wife stayed inside the car : /

Holy shit. I almost killed an ex like this. We were going up to Porters in New Zealand with snow chains on. There was a car stranded so we pulled over to help. On a slope. That was snowy. Two minutes later the car starts sliding back with her in the passenger seat. Thankfully it ran into a snow embankment on the side of the road instead of off the cliff. It was this road right here. It's burned into my memory to take snow and ice seriously after that one.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I swam in lakes, oceans, pools, excavator pits and rivers. While rivers and the ocean are very different from a pool, I have never experienced a difference between a lake and a pool besides maybe worse visibility. But for the act of swimming bodies of water without currents just felt exactly the same.

I am person who fears for his life very much and won't swim where there are warning signs, possible currents etc. but yeah, I crossed some lakes.

I never knew cultures are so different but over here swimming in lakes is just some kind of recreation for lots of people.

You're confusing swimming casually in a lake with crossing one. Those are two very very different things, and just because you haven't encountered a lake that isn't much different than a pool does not mean they don't exist.
 

Horp

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Nov 16, 2017
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Dafuq u people on about it being far? It's clearly swimming distance. I would call while undressing then swim like I've never swam before.
 

Oreoleo

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would think "anyone in that car is definitely dead" and call the police and not really get near the car.
 

Zoe

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Oct 25, 2017
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Dafuq u people on about it being far? It's clearly swimming distance. I would call while undressing then swim like I've never swam before.
You'd also have to dive 15 meters after crossing the distance all the while avoiding sharp shrapnel in murky water.
 

Pimienta

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Oct 25, 2017
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Call for help and if it is humanly possible, help while the calvary comes.

As for the video....I really can't watch people dying vids.
 

killerrin

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm a good swimmer, but for that specific lake I wouldn't attempt rescue. The current is moving way to fast and it looks like a hydro dam to the right. I'd just call 911 and head to the crash site and monitor the situation to see if safety improved
 

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You'd also have to dive 15 meters after crossing the distance all the while avoiding sharp shrapnel in murky water.
Nobody would dive 15m but at that moment you cant know how deep the car goes. I can easily dive 5m but I wouldn't try any more. And if the water is too opaque I would not try at all. But I can decide that after crossing a lake that isn't very wide.