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M1chl

M1chl

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Nov 20, 2017
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I would like to reply to all of you that I am not a grumpy, miserable person, yes I have fair share of my mentall issues, but I still think that is my business if I decide to smile or not. Maybe I am from different culture, but I really don't like to be told that I should behave in a certain way, because some strange wants that. Besides this thread mostly was against cat-calling. I can deal with someone to tell me to smile, but that asshole behaving towards my GF was simply too much. Yes, we Slavs are pretty close minded people I gave you that, but at least we don't harass other people to act in a certain way. And no I am hardly misserable, like someone suggested, I just like my privacy in public.
 

Darknight

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would like to reply to all of you that I am not a grumpy, miserable person, yes I have fair share of my mentall issues, but I still think that is my business if I decide to smile or not. Maybe I am from different culture, but I really don't like to be told that I should behave in a certain way, because some strange wants that. Besides this thread mostly was against cat-calling. I can deal with someone to tell me to smile, but that asshole behaving towards my GF was simply too much. Yes, we Slavs are pretty close minded people I gave you that, but at least we don't harass other people to act in a certain way. And no I am hardly misserable, like someone suggested, I just like my privacy in public.
Maybe I'm missing something or something is lost in translation, but someone saying "smile, it's a beautiful day" isn't necessarily a cat call.

Plus your tone in this thread and reaction to things comes off as miserable. You sound very hostile about people who try to engage you and be nice. That's why people think you're miserable.
 

Afrikan

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Oct 28, 2017
16,968
A man saying that to your lady with you there, is unnecessary and rude.

As far as yourself. Well I hope you don't come back to San Francisco with that attitude. No one knows your situation, they can't read your mind. Maybe you should wear a shirt telling people not to tell you to smile. People are trying to make the best out of shitty times here in the States. Nothing but mostly negative shit in the news.
 

Felt

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
3,210
I've lived in southern CA and never experienced this ever in public. I've seen my boss tell women to smile at a company but that's about it
 

TaterTots

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Oct 27, 2017
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I would like to reply to all of you that I am not a grumpy, miserable person, yes I have fair share of my mentall issues, but I still think that is my business if I decide to smile or not. Maybe I am from different culture, but I really don't like to be told that I should behave in a certain way, because some strange wants that. Besides this thread mostly was against cat-calling. I can deal with someone to tell me to smile, but that asshole behaving towards my GF was simply too much. Yes, we Slavs are pretty close minded people I gave you that, but at least we don't harass other people to act in a certain way. And no I am hardly misserable, like someone suggested, I just like my privacy in public.

Someone telling you or your gf to smile isn't a cat call. A cat call is more like, "hey baby, looking good." Or making awkward sounds like whistling. Someone saying, "smile" to you can probably tell you aren't having a great day and they want you to be happy. They are trying to be compassionate. They aren't trying to dictate your life or be assholes. It just comes across that way because you personally do not like it. Or even interaction with strangers. Sounds like a cultural difference is all.

I also have GAD and am suppose to take medication for it, but I do not. So, I understand how difficult some day to day functions can be. However, I doubt there is malice intent behind someone suggesting you to smile. They probably think telling you that will naturally make you smile and lighten you up.
 

Messofanego

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Maybe I'm missing something or something is lost in translation, but someone saying "smile, it's a beautiful day" isn't necessarily a cat call.


Plus your tone in this thread and reaction to things comes off as miserable. You sound very hostile about people who try to engage you and be nice. That's why people think you're miserable.
Someone telling you or your gf to smile isn't a cat call. A cat call is more like, "hey baby, looking good." Or making awkward sounds like whistling. Someone saying, "smile" to you can probably tell you aren't having a great day and they want you to be happy. They are trying to be compassionate. They aren't trying to dictate your life or be assholes. It just comes across that way because you personally do not like it. Or even interaction with strangers. Sounds like a cultural difference is all.

I also have GAD and am suppose to take medication for it, but I do not. So, I understand how difficult some day to day functions can be. However, I doubt there is malice intent behind someone suggesting you to smile. They probably think telling you that will naturally make you smile and lighten you up.
Telling someone to smile, especially women who get it more frequently, is catcalling. So what if someone looks in a neutral or low mood/facial expression? It's not your right as a stranger to tell them to smile. Mind your own business. You can't control their body. That says more about you that you can't handle someone having a non-smiling face. What would randomly smiling change? They are not there for your entertainment and comfort. This is not about personality, anxiety, or nationality. There have been campaigns against it.

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Potterson

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Oct 28, 2017
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US is the kingdom of small talk so no wonder there's also a lot of things like "Cheer up!" etc in use.
 

ParanoidRED

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Nov 2, 2017
2,931
The smiling can be weird i guess, but striking conversation with randos is great

In my time in the US i loved how much people were interested in talking while on public transportations and such, it made talking way less akward for a non native english speaker

It sure was 100 times better than my trip in Japan/S.Korea where people would just look at their phone all the time and then run away if you even made eye contact or just whispered "Hello!"

But i come from Italy so i guess i'm used to it
 
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zoukka

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You need to have an open mind when traveling. People can't know your background but you can research the destination and its quirks. US can seem a bit overwhelming at first (nordic person here), but you can get used to it and play along. It's refreshing to experience different cultures and habits even if they aren't something you would naturally engage in.
 

Westbahnhof

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
10,104
Austria
Rudeness is pretty dependent on culture. What's rude in Germany (where I presume you're from) isn't rude everywhere. When you travel abroad, you need to be more culturally pliable. But it sounds like OP sees rudeness and offense literally everywhere across the world.
Austria. Small but important difference.
Anyway, I don't think it's rude because it would be rude here. I'm almost certain it happens here too. I simply think it's unacceptable to try to control the way people express their feelings with their face. It has something weirdly dystopian.
 

Hoo-doo

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I think fakeness is part of the package when you visit the west coast. I understand that it's annoying, but also understand that they don't really mean any harm.
 

Messofanego

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't really know what his intentions were. In his mind maybe he was just trying to cheer up some poor girl working at a shitty fast food place. It just stands out because of the length he went to get that smile. Guys don't do this to other guys, as far as I know. Why there's this need for women to smile, I don't know.
It would be absurd to give anyone money to tell them to smile. As if your face is for their entertainment. Bruh, I'm good, keep your money, weirdo lol. I'm happy inside as it is, so what if I'm not presenting it all time externally for strangers.
 

CastorKrieg

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Jul 5, 2018
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As most people have said - this is American thing not to make others burdened by your mood. You want to sulk and be depressed do it in private. I think it is very refreshing - people are affected by people around them; if they face negativity all the time they become negative themselves.
 

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I would like to reply to all of you that I am not a grumpy, miserable person, yes I have fair share of my mentall issues, but I still think that is my business if I decide to smile or not. Maybe I am from different culture, but I really don't like to be told that I should behave in a certain way, because some strange wants that. Besides this thread mostly was against cat-calling. I can deal with someone to tell me to smile, but that asshole behaving towards my GF was simply too much. Yes, we Slavs are pretty close minded people I gave you that, but at least we don't harass other people to act in a certain way. And no I am hardly misserable, like someone suggested, I just like my privacy in public.

a bit of an oxymoron, isn't it?
 

Westbahnhof

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Oct 27, 2017
10,104
Austria
As most people have said - this is American thing not to make others burdened by your mood. You want to sulk and be depressed do it in private. I think it is very refreshing - people are affected by people around them; if they face negativity all the time they become negative themselves.
That sounds like "just bottle it up", which imo seems to be recipe for disaster. I don't see what's positive about a system that tells you to fake being happy in order to not "burden" others with the fact that you aren't feeling amazing. That's some cartoonishly dystopian concept.
 

CastorKrieg

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That sounds like "just bottle it up", which imo seems to be recipe for disaster. I don't see what's positive about a system that tells you to fake being happy in order to not "burden" others with the fact that you aren't feeling amazing. That's some cartoonishly dystopian concept.
You are free to get help e.g. through therapy or counseling. I was only talking about interacting in public.
 

Messofanego

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As most people have said - this is American thing not to make others burdened by your mood. You want to sulk and be depressed do it in private. I think it is very refreshing - people are affected by people around them; if they face negativity all the time they become negative themselves.
If you're affected by strangers' facial expressions not directed towards you, then you need to sort that out by yourself. It's not on strangers to coddle you.
 

CastorKrieg

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Jul 5, 2018
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If you're affected by strangers' facial expressions not directed towards you, then you need to sort that out by yourself. It's not on strangers to coddle you.
Lots of research confirms we are affected by the mood and disposition of the people around us. Yes, there are people that do not give a damn and are shielded from that, in general however we are who we interact with.
 

zoukka

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That sounds like "just bottle it up", which imo seems to be recipe for disaster. I don't see what's positive about a system that tells you to fake being happy in order to not "burden" others with the fact that you aren't feeling amazing. That's some cartoonishly dystopian concept.

As much as I advocate people to process their emotions and express them in safe environments, a workplace is a good example where it's beneficial to have at least some sort of positivity even if you aren't feeling like a million bucks. Bad mood spreads real fast and it's part of being a professional to leave some problems outside your work.
 

Westbahnhof

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
10,104
Austria
You are free to get help e.g. through therapy or counseling. I was only talking about interacting in public.
This doesn't change anything. "Don't express anything but joy in public" is some Twilight Zone type shit. It goes against the entire point of smiling.

As much as I advocate people to process their emotions and express them in safe environments, a workplace is a good example where it's beneficial to have at least some sort of positivity even if you aren't feeling like a million bucks. Bad mood spreads real fast and it's part of being a professional to leave some problems outside your work.
There is a world of difference between having a "bad mood face" and not smiling. This is about telling people to smile, which is the upper end of facial expressions.
Expecting a smile to be the status quo sounds like a sick attempt to change human nature.
 
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M1chl

M1chl

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Maybe I'm missing something or something is lost in translation, but someone saying "smile, it's a beautiful day" isn't necessarily a cat call.

Plus your tone in this thread and reaction to things comes off as miserable. You sound very hostile about people who try to engage you and be nice. That's why people think you're miserable.

Someone telling you or your gf to smile isn't a cat call. A cat call is more like, "hey baby, looking good." Or making awkward sounds like whistling. Someone saying, "smile" to you can probably tell you aren't having a great day and they want you to be happy. They are trying to be compassionate. They aren't trying to dictate your life or be assholes. It just comes across that way because you personally do not like it. Or even interaction with strangers. Sounds like a cultural difference is all.

I also have GAD and am suppose to take medication for it, but I do not. So, I understand how difficult some day to day functions can be. However, I doubt there is malice intent behind someone suggesting you to smile. They probably think telling you that will naturally make you smile and lighten you up.


Please read my OG post, you seems to misunderstand me.

a bit of an oxymoron, isn't it?
How so? I would like to hear that....
 

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It's almost always - perhaps exclusively - directed towards women.

It's brought on by the expectation that females should live their lives in servitude to any and all men.

I guess the whole princess-hero-trope in culture further emboldens men to show - extremely superficial - concern when they encounter a woman who isn't performing a service-minded, bubbly and fascile idea of herself.

If it was ever directed towards a man, it would be treated for the passive-aggressive - if not actually threatening - intrusion that it is.

I'm a gay man, and even if some other gay random dude told me to smile out of the blue, my (inner, emotional) reaction would be deep hostility and contempt for the person who said it.

It's condescending, intrusive and demeaning to tell a stranger to express themselves in a way that you, another stranger, feel might please you, before knowing literaly anything else about the person you're talking to.

It's also about fundamentally not seeing women in any other way than someone who is receptive, attentive, accomodating, and willing to engage with whatever the fuck is currently happening in your loser life, as soon as you lay eyes on them.

If they aren't beaming at you, there must be a problem. Which you can easily address with a friendly reminder to just smile.

The deeper implication is that women don't have interior lives of their own. They don't have a past or future; just a reacting present, easily decoded in an casual fashion by their immediate body language.

It's an infuriating aspect of modern culture, and if it was ever directed towards another man, the result would probably be a bloody bar-fight.


I applaud this.
 
It would be absurd to give anyone money to tell them to smile. As if your face is for their entertainment. Bruh, I'm good, keep your money, weirdo lol. I'm happy inside as it is, so what if I'm not presenting it all time externally for strangers.

Of course it's absurd. I'm just saying some guys genuinely think they're doing a nice thing. Forcing you to 'brighten' your day. I want to know why they feel this need for women to smile. It's not for the benefit of society or they'd give a crap about unhappy-looking boys. What life lesson or experience teaches guys that this is a good thing to do? It's so weird. Has any guy in here ever told a woman to smile? Genuinely curious at the thought process.

Smiling is a strange fetish to pay for.

Such a fleeting payoff, too.
 

ZackieChan

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Oct 27, 2017
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As most people have said - this is American thing not to make others burdened by your mood. You want to sulk and be depressed do it in private. I think it is very refreshing - people are affected by people around them; if they face negativity all the time they become negative themselves.
It's a lot like coming here, tbh
 

Fudgepuppy

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Oct 27, 2017
4,270
I got you, but I the most western Slav in existence since Czech Republic and I never have been to Bulgaria, but I can tell you that Slavs are different, in public they are extremely cold and abstract in public, but in private we could laugh all day and night, we just have to feel that we can trust the other person(s) in our vicinity.

That sounds like how I would describe Swedes, but the difference is that in Sweden you can easily get fired if you don't show any sense of service mindedness to customers.

Here in Bulgaria, people will ignore you, be rude and treat you like crap in stores and restaurants, without any bosses caring.
 

Deepthought_

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May 15, 2018
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I have had this happen to me

Or people will be like smile you look so sad when I just have a straight face . Think they are projecting something on to me and others
 

Spock

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Oct 27, 2017
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Smiling can have a natural positive affect on your emotional state simply by faking the physiology. Body leads mind in many cases. It can also have a net positive affect on those who interact with the person smiling. However I don't think telling a person to smile at random is a good move unless the person asking has a high sensory acuity and can read the situation correctly.

So yea, smile more alone and to others. It's healthy you dopes.
 

Ac30

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Oct 30, 2017
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Someone telling you or your gf to smile isn't a cat call. A cat call is more like, "hey baby, looking good." Or making awkward sounds like whistling. Someone saying, "smile" to you can probably tell you aren't having a great day and they want you to be happy. They are trying to be compassionate. They aren't trying to dictate your life or be assholes. It just comes across that way because you personally do not like it. Or even interaction with strangers. Sounds like a cultural difference is all.

I also have GAD and am suppose to take medication for it, but I do not. So, I understand how difficult some day to day functions can be. However, I doubt there is malice intent behind someone suggesting you to smile. They probably think telling you that will naturally make you smile and lighten you up.
Strange, I've never had anyone ask me to smile more even though I'm always grimacing, while my girlfriend gets it all the time from random dudes on the street.

Dunno, maybe there is a gender specific element here. I doubt they're all compassionate souls.
 
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M1chl

M1chl

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Nov 20, 2017
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Wtf. American men need to knock it the fuck off and mind their own goddamn business controlling women's facial expressions is none of your goddamn business. Passive aggressive flirting

I'm American man and these entitled assholes are just pissing me off the way they treat women
Yeah, but what about those American women telling me this shit? It seems to me like a culture in there...no matter the gender.

That sounds like how I would describe Swedes, but the difference is that in Sweden you can easily get fired if you don't show any sense of service mindedness to customers.

Here in Bulgaria, people will ignore you, be rude and treat you like crap in stores and restaurants, without any bosses caring.
Oh, I am sorry to hear that, here you get maximally a "silent treatement" nothing more. Nobody gives a fuck to be rude on your ass.
 

JoeNut

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Oct 27, 2017
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Random strangers are telling you to smile? that's super rude, i don't get it, why is it their concern?
 

Messofanego

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Oct 25, 2017
26,120
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It's almost always - perhaps exclusively - directed towards women.

It's brought on by the expectation that females should live their lives in servitude to any and all men.

I guess the whole princess-hero-trope in culture further emboldens men to show - extremely superficial - concern when they encounter a woman who isn't performing a service-minded, bubbly and fascile idea of herself.

If it was ever directed towards a man, it would be treated for the passive-aggressive - if not actually threatening - intrusion that it is.

I'm a gay man, and even if some other gay random dude told me to smile out of the blue, my (inner, emotional) reaction would be deep hostility and contempt for the person who said it.

It's condescending, intrusive and demeaning to tell a stranger to express themselves in a way that you, another stranger, feel might please you, before knowing literaly anything else about the person you're talking to.

It's also about fundamentally not seeing women in any other way than someone who is receptive, attentive, accomodating, and willing to engage with whatever the fuck is currently happening in your loser life, as soon as you lay eyes on them.

If they aren't beaming at you, there must be a problem. Which you can easily address with a friendly reminder to just smile.

The deeper implication is that women don't have interior lives of their own. They don't have a past or future; just a reacting present, easily decoded in an casual fashion by their immediate body language.

It's an infuriating aspect of modern culture, and if it was ever directed towards another man, the result would probably be a bloody bar-fight.
Agreed 100%, well said.
 

DWarriorSN

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Yeah, but what about those American women telling me this shit? It seems to me like a culture in there...no matter the gender.

This is why people keep saying to stop taking this as some sort of insult and lighten up, those women probably just wanted you to have a better day by telling you to smile (unless you think they were attracted to you, in which case it still wouldn't be the same because men don't suffer from constant catcalling in our society)

And this NOT an American thing at all, these type of things happens all the time in hispanic places.
 

Rmagnus

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Oct 28, 2017
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Lets be honest about this. If someone has the balls to tell you to smile you must look miserable as fuck and they're just trying to help you out. Even if it comes across poorly.

I live in the southern part of the U.S. and "southern hospitality" is a real thing. People hold doors open for you and ask how your day is going. That would lead to a full mental breakdown for some of you.

If I am miserable as fuck the hell is asking me to smile suppose to help me?
Acting like opening doors and asking how your days is being the same as some random asshat coming up to me and asking me to smile. Mind your own fucking business.
 
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M1chl

M1chl

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Czech Republic
Random strangers are telling you to smile? that's super rude, i don't get it, why is it their concern?
I really don´t fucking know, that´s why I make this thread.....

Agreed 100%, well said.
Yeah no, I get that same treatement myself (except the cat-calling) and I am a man. So you can agree all you want, but no, it´s not only towards women.

This is why people keep saying to stop taking this as some sort of insult and lighten up, those women probably just wanted you to have a better day by telling you to smile (unless you think they were attracted to you, in which case it still wouldn't be the same because men don't suffer from constant catcalling in our society)

And this NOT an American thing at all, these type of things happens all the time in hispanic places.
I have never been to Hispanic place, so I cannot judge those places....
 

Messofanego

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I really don´t fucking know, that´s why I make this thread.....


Yeah no, I get that same treatement myself (except the cat-calling) and I am a man. So you can agree all you want, but no, it´s not only towards women.


I have never been to Hispanic place, so I cannot judge those places....
It's not only, but it's more frequent towards women. As a male, I would also find it off putting if someone told me to smile.
 
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M1chl

M1chl

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Nov 20, 2017
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Czech Republic
It's not only, but it's more frequent towards women. As a male, I would also find it off putting if someone told me to smile.
I find it as a agressive behaviour, since my GAD, I got panic attack in public transportation and when I got it, no one cares. Which is something like totally fucking absurd, people wants to me talk normally, but when I need help, like "fuck off"? Even in here if I got Panic Attack people cared, which I find strange but nice, since you cannot control yourself at all. I hate that shit, but hey that´s a price to pay if you have GAD.