In 1987, there was a 'show and tell' at my school, and my mum asked if I was taking Megatron (one of my favourite toys). I said 'no' in a surly voice, and my mum said 'probably for the best, he looks like a gun'. I replied 'it's not that, mum, everyone likes Galvatron now instead'. :DHahah, that's amazing. :D
Almost entirely unrelated, but "awkward explaining" reminds me of the time that, for reasons too long to explain, a friend of mine had to carry a Masterpiece Megatron, in gun form, in his bag, to a concert. i.e. this:
He was sweating about the possibility he was made to open the bag and show its contents to security. :)
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Man. :D Sorry everyone for the derail but this is just gold. Also I'm always shocked whenever people talk about bringing toys to school, I'd have been beaten and stolen out of them within five minutes. My school was rough.
Actually the anecdote about my friend was as a grown ass 30+ man, this was less than a decade ago and he's my age (40+). Yes, we both collect Transformers toys. :)
But indeed, he's white, and this is Spain, where guns are illegal anyway. No way he would have risked that being black in the US.
I hadn't noticed that. That is genuinely funny in a sad way.....
Unfortunately now that I've had some time to think about it and the hilarity has worn of, it just seems plain old sad to me. :(
I'm not going to talk badly about it. It's not unjustified but it's presence is consistent and recurrent for a long time. I personally find its depiction of war much better than that of Game of Thrones (being able to watch the battle from a medic POV was a highlight for me) but it'd be interesting nonetheless. Precisely because the execution wasn't bad, at least for me, I'd like to see what others think.
I think I-no become the worst offender when you consider that she's based on a real rock star (Shiina Ringo) but is hyper sexualised.
So, um... the thread idea is "well written examples of rape in media"? That's... certainly unusual, to say the least :/ . I'm not sure that this is a thread a guy should be making...
Look, I'll say this much.
The worst thing the Hinamatsuri anime does is make you forget that everyone except Anzu (and Mao but that'll be season 2) are bad people. The comedy works way better once you remember that these people are all consorting with the mafia and everything that such a relationship entails. EVERYONE is a scumbag, so the casual acceptance of "good" people in different positions, not necessarily bad but beneficial for the protagonists, Nitta primarily, is key. The fact that everyone in that show is an oppertunist (except anzu) is where a lot of the jokes come from, and reminding you that they're all kind of scumbags without making them over the top comically evil is the thing the show does the poorest.
But like, yeah, I think Hinamatsuri is way way way sharper than Wotaku was. I feel like Wotaku is worried that they have to explain their jokes to people who aren't intrinsically familiar with cosplay stuff with slows everything down dramatically.
Mainly exposition about how it handles it and how I feel like it may be influenced by the horror stories of the German and Russian occupation during WW2, without bringing much of my own opinion because I'm not too sure about it.
Edit: But yeah, I think I'll drop the idea. If I need to bring so much information to justify it, I probably shouldn't be making it in the first place.
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Man, the Tabata praise I see in that XV thread is a bit worrying. He has a horrible track record when it comes to females in his games. The most glaring issues are his portrayal of women in Parasite Eve and in XV.
Yeah that's weirdRandom rant but the new MHW event made me remind about this:
Like, can someone explain me the reason why the female version of the armor has a random ass hole in the belly area? Like, I just can't think anyone can find someone this random to be sexy but I just don't understand the reasoning, it looks so stupid! It feels like the designer said "oh shit women need to show skin somewhere no matter what but I dunno where to show skin" and just gave up and did that.
Later armors just stop doing that so I figured they got enough complaints about that.
I"m weird though, because I want that armor, but I play a dude. So I kinda wish it wasn't gender locked and you could just use the skin armor whenever you wanted
I dunno, that twisted leg looks highly uncomfortable.
I think this is spot on.
I don't really think this occurs all that much? Or maybe at all really? They certainly don't explain quests, leveling and all the other stuff regarding the MMO they're playing, and I don't think they do too much explaining of cosplay either, other than that Narumi is a huge fan of Koyanagi and they all kind of take a mutual interest in it.
But this is the issue. This is what I mean when I talked earlier about when I said they're punching in all directions. I can understand comedy that is neutral and is more riffing on one another, and comedy that riffs on those who have something on you that becomes a target due to its exploitative nature. But they also punch down, frequently. Hell, Anzu is frequently the butt of many of these jokes and it's really, really awful. It kills whatever previous momentum the show had and is basically like hard turning from a site gag comedy show into an extremely political differentiation between being wealthy and poor. And the fact that it sometimes flips between these multiple times in the same episode makes it extremely difficult to read (and yes, I do mean the anime here).
Yeah... seems like his job is to run franchises into the ground, near as I can tell.
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You know, while I've been replaying the Kingdom Hearts games, I'm really starting to want Kairi to get her own spin off game. Now that she's being trained to use her keyblade in KH3, there's no reason why they couldn't do it. Hell, have Lea as a playable character too or something if they really can't possibly imagine having a KH game that only has a girl character playable. (I don't count 0.2 since it's mostly just a glorified demo)
I mean, Aqua is a great character, one of the best in the series, but outside of her, the female representation in KH is kinda lackluster. Kairi hasn't really had a chance to shine yet, Namine is pretty much a non-person at this point, and Xion is forgotten.
Although I bet you five bucks if you asked Nomura why Kairi hasn't been made a playable character at any point yet is because it would be too easy for players to get panty shots and the thought of giving her a pair of pants instead of a ridiculously short skirt has never crossed his mind. I'm honestly a little surprised he managed to restrain himself long enough to give Aqua shorts. Yes, skin tight shorts, but at least they're shorts.
I mean, Aqua is a great character, one of the best in the series, but outside of her, the female representation in KH is kinda lackluster. Kairi hasn't really had a chance to shine yet, Namine is pretty much a non-person at this point, and Xion is forgotten.
Although I bet you five bucks if you asked Nomura why Kairi hasn't been made a playable character at any point yet is because it would be too easy for players to get panty shots and the thought of giving her a pair of pants instead of a ridiculously short skirt has never crossed his mind. I'm honestly a little surprised he managed to restrain himself long enough to give Aqua shorts. Yes, skin tight shorts, but at least they're shorts.
Sounds like Ueda's excuse:
https://gamerant.com/the-last-guardian-hero-changed-from-female-to-male-tao-49228/
When Kairi's outfit was teased via that mobile game, some of the fan-art made her design (not style) look better then what is in the game:
Instead we see that she is wearing a skirt again and is re-introduced by showing off her outfit(and looking younger somehow) instead of you know training for the coming fight. But whatever the fans care more about Kairi than Nomura.
Except that his game is a big success and the fastest selling on the franchise? I don't even like FFXV that much but by any point his game did very well for Square Enix, which is the reason why he's not part of BD2 anymore and has his own studio as a CEO.
He's also made quite a few flops as well, mostly out of well-known franchises. One big success doesn't really negate multiple average or underperforming projects.
I mean, in the business world it does because businesses basically have no concept of object permanence, but in reality that's not actually the case.
Sounds like Ueda's excuse:
https://gamerant.com/the-last-guardian-hero-changed-from-female-to-male-tao-49228/
When Kairi's outfit was teased via that mobile game, some of the fan-art made her design (not style) look better then what is in the game:
Instead we see that she is wearing a skirt again and is re-introduced by showing off her outfit(and looking younger somehow) instead of you know training for the coming fight. But whatever the fans care more about Kairi than Nomura.
God, Ueda's excuse still pisses me off so much. Shadow Of The Colossus is one of my most favorite games, but the way women are framed in his games sucks so bad, and knowing that he won't even do a female protag cause apparently we can't wear pants is just the worst.
I also could totally get behind a game with Kairi like the way that fan art looks. Clothes still aren't the best, but those expression are perfect. I really hate that they pretty much killed all of her tomboyish traits after the original Kingdom Hearts.
Edit: I feel like there's at least one other Japanese developer who claimed a female character couldn't be playable because it would be too easy to see her underwear, rather than just giving her a better wardrobe. Anyone remember who?
Banned I know but what a fucking idiot holy shit.
I jumped back to see why there had been so many pages since I last checked in with this thread and didn't have to go far to find some bs.
God forbid Kairi gets to do any fighting. But you just know Axel will...
That is the dude that said that the protagonist of Shadow of the Colossus could not be a girl because the protagonist needed grip strenght
Reminds me of how Smash Brothers 4 put black voids under the skirts. I mentally slapped my head at how easy it was. Sometimes it's good to remember they're video games.
Uh-huh
I was thinking more of like
1) wandered has no muscles
2) there are giant colossus with glowing tatoos
3) mystical shadow things
4) swords that breaks the laws of physics
5)
but yeah that works too
I know but... does he honestly think girls don't wear pants? Has he even walked around japan? Like, damn D:
but that means nerds will cry that they can't creepshot, because the one thing I want to see in my games with actually mature theme and setting is the main character's undergarments when i'm just trying to cross the map.
What would we do without men who had the "mental fortitude" to look at oversexualized women. We thank you for your service sir.
But you don't want bugs in your game do you? Think of what the testers had to go through.
(Sorry, it's the first thing that popped into my mind)
Playing the Valkyria Chronicles 4 demo and there's a scene where one of the main characters ogles a female naval officer visiting the camp and says "Check out that ass! I'd love to swab her deck".
And no-one really chastises him... the woman being objectified doesn't even speak in this cutscene... and the game just moves on. It wasn't saying anything about this world or the characters it was just a line played for laughs like "oh look at this rascal chasing after women".
Gross.
And no-one really chastises him... the woman being objectified doesn't even speak in this cutscene... and the game just moves on. It wasn't saying anything about this world or the characters it was just a line played for laughs like "oh look at this rascal chasing after women".
Gross.
Sometimes I browse the picture section of the PS4 streaming app and my god the amount of pantyshots posted by japanese players there is ridiculous.
It's not available in the UK. What does he say in the video?
You might be able to use the Tor Browser to view it: https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en
As for what it says, well, the results aren't exactly promising for the shitty state of current workplaces and how men still seem to believe they're the victims in all this.
Gee, I wonder why? Lol Especially after he made such a great demonstration of his attitude towards women that they're just too offended to better their appearance!
I imagine this is no different with a lot of people who share this dumbfuck mindset.
Did Tabata got involved in the original PE? Because Aya's portrayal in the first game is downright one of the best and most "realistic" portrayals of a non sexualized wlman I've ever seen by a Japanese developer ever. I realize she was sexualized in some marketing materials but in-game? Zero!
As for PE2 and especially T3B well they couldn't be more different.
And don't forget the all important zettai ryouiki! If she's not going to have a mini skirt she sure as hell going to have properly proportioned exposed thighs because #anime
In his defense i AM pretty ugly but yeah that is the only point he had =P
I wasn't calling pity for him, it was just a guess based on his vitriol.
The original Parasite Eve is amazing with how it treats Aya realistically and respectfully. If you're talking about The Third Birthday (the one where clothes rip off) that was Nomura's idea. Don't hate on PE 1 though, that was and still is one of my favorite games ever precisely because it follows a capable police woman as its hero.
I'm very resistant to the criticism about FFXV being bad with its female characters. Arenea is badass, as is Iris. Yes, Cindy is sexualized and objectiified and it sucks, but there's characters like that in every FF game. As a character she's pretty capable and doesn't just settle down and marry even into her mid 30's, instead focusing on the shop. Her design sucks sure though. But saying FFXV is totally sexist feels wrong to me, and comes from a perspective where I wonder if someone actually finished the game and understands the demographic it's trying to appeal to with its pretty boy cast. I mean, you have an entire town in FFXV that is reversed gender roles(Lestallum); where the women do the hard labor in the power plant and the men do all the cooking. Ironically, it's the only town still surviving in the World of Ruin after the hubris of the patriarchal Nibleheim empire falls to Daemons.
I've yet to play Type 0, but Tabata also did Crisis Core and that game was one of the more innocuous as far as Japanese designs go (the main women were Aerith who's in a dress and bomber jacket, and Cissnei who was wearing a suit). I'm not going to argue that he really is sensitive or cares about this stuff (he's made some monumentally fucking dumb comments about Cindy), but he's no better or worse than any other Japanese director with this stuff. At the very least, Square knows their demographic and Crisis Core and FFXV are not anime titty games at all.
Edit: Just saw the troll. Wowza.
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While you could argue that the themes behind FFXV are non-sexist, it's really hard to argue the costume design isn't sexist. Cindy is the standout example, but even Arenea is heavily sexualized to the point where I struggle to take her seriously with the "magnet heels" bullcrap. Even in that town, you encounter women looking like this:
And while yes, there is an in-game reason for it, given how objectified other women in this game are, it's hard not to think of this as sexualized first then have the excuse come later.
I'm not saying the FF games are perfect; they've had sexy lady NPCs just hanging around since FF IX (those leotard knights wtf). So yeah, that sucks. But I'm saying I don't think it deserves more heightened scrutiny than say, something like Xenoblade, and that Tabata isn't especially bad with women characters. He's not particularly good with them either.While you could argue that the themes behind FFXV are non-sexist, it's really hard to argue the costume design isn't sexist. Cindy is the standout example, but even Arenea is heavily sexualized to the point where I struggle to take her seriously with the "magnet heels" bullcrap. Even in that town, you encounter women looking like this:
And while yes, there is an in-game reason for it, given how objectified other women in this game are, it's hard not to think of this as sexualized first then have the excuse come later.
I mean, isn't that also a problem? That we have come to the point where we are in praise of people who don't go thirty feet below ground when it comes to women, particularly in Japanese works?
Definitely is a problem :/ And only getting to be more of one IMO! Just looking at how Soul Calibur has progressed in its designs over the past 20 years is depressing. I would've never thought we'd actually be going backwards on stuff like that.
A character being "badass" has very little impact on that character being oversexualized eye candy, especially when it is informed "badassery" and you can't actually, you know, play them.
"There are characters like that in every FF" is not an excuse either, it's actually making things worse, because it shows how bad it actually is. We shouldn't have to praise this because it does less than minimum effort
Besides, nobody says the game is ~totally sexist~ (whatever that even means), but pretty damn sexist? Pretty easy to make that point, one doesn't even have to look far to get there.
and I hate to post it, because I like the game, but damn are the artworks for La Mulana 2 terrible. Half the female NPCs are half naked, some are clothed only by hair, female bosses generally are naked, it kinda sucks in that regard. Really like the game, mechanically, but it's hard not to be annoyed at the portrayal of pretty much every non-protagonist woman in it. That stuff is sexist, no doubt. Loving the game as such won't make me ignore that >-<
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