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Nah that's fucked up. I don't give a fuck what you believe in, if you think that capital punishment is something that's fine you're a fucked up person too.
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So, Saudi Arabian capital punishment can include beheading and headless crucifixion
- Thread starter Rivenblade
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And who decides who's innocent? The corrupt legal system that sees women as cattle and Shia as subhuman?
Saudi Arabia is centuries behind the modern world. It makes me sick to see modern first world nations ignore human rights issues because of oil, but that's the sad state of the world.
It's also extremely likely that they funded 9/11, but again, if that is true, it will never come to public light because the US would never want to bite that hand.
It's also extremely likely that they funded 9/11, but again, if that is true, it will never come to public light because the US would never want to bite that hand.
A murder is unacceptable but murdering someone for murdering is okay. I've never understood this hypocrisy.
Even if we all agree that murderers deserve death, a foolish notion, you haven't addressed the issue of innocent people being killed accidentally. Can't turn back the clock. Even if the Saudis would like to.
Why would you even want a beheaded corpse in public viewing?
As long as they are 100% sure he did it, I don't feel bad for a raping, murder getting killed though.
As long as they are 100% sure he did it, I don't feel bad for a raping, murder getting killed though.
Capital punishment is horrible. Period. Any country that uses it is "barbaric".
Displaying real headless bodies is fucking disgusting though, what the fuck?
Displaying real headless bodies is fucking disgusting though, what the fuck?
Because it's about sending a message to the public about anyone who dares criticize the royal family regime.
Ah, makes sense, didn't think about it like that, but yeah, just disgusting really.
Do people actually go and look at the beheaded man with their families and stuff?
Oh no, don't get me wrong, I understood why. Just not... WHY, if that makes sense.
Like obviously the answer is the Saudi government is an evil organization that values control over a healthy populace, but... How can one lack so much empathy? If not for the deceased's family, which, fine fair enough... then the poor innocent kids who will be scarred for life.
Execution by injection far from painless
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7269-execution-by-injection-far-from-painless/
The drugs we use for executions can cause immense pain and suffering
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...2beef8121f7_story.html?utm_term=.8c0d4bd397e5
Lethal injection: A painless execution or a deadly weapon?
http://www.newindianexpress.com/wor...-execution-or-a-deadly-weapon-1598868--3.html
Calling them evil is so misguided. The Saudis are an outlier in our current world because they have not changed their worldview from what was accepted and done over the whole world 60 years ago. They are not special in their evilness, they are special in their slowness to relinquish power.
I don't think any humans, individually or by committee, have the right to decide whether other humans should be killed. Humans are notorious for making bad, biased and unjust decisions and plain ridiculous mistakes. If I were a religious person, I'd say that only God or the gods have the right to make that decision, we mere mortals do not.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people critical of the death penalty will still be against it if it's handed down on somebody on a different part of the political spectrum, no matter how abhorrent their views or crimes may be.
There's also a thing where you're against the death penalty and would rather people not be handed such a sentence if you could do anything about it, but you won't miss them if that is their fate. I don't think that's incongruous with opposing the death penalty.
Punching Nazis is okay though.
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I didn't say injection was better and I didn't make any comparisons.
I only stated that decapitations were not an instant, painless death. Hangings that intended to snap the neck also, for that matter.
Appreciate the links, though.
I am opposed to the death penalty, but this has nothing to to with hypocrisy.
If someone kills someone else he sets the ethic bar for himself. To be killed himself should be perfectly acceptable for that person, kind of interpretation of the golden rule. Instead of "treat others like you wish to be treated" it is "accept that others treat you as you treat them".
Death penalty has lots of problems, but hypocrisy sure isn't one of them. Hyprocisy would be if I kill people but ask for the same not to be applicable for myself.
Oh, and about you line of thinking: Freedom is a fundemantal human right. How are we supposed to strip that right from someone who only commited a crime? Wouldn't that be super hypocritic? Some philosophers even argue that way and would deem exile the only acceptable punishment.
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I agree. I am opposed to the death penalty, but not because I find it hypocritical, but because there's a chance that an innocent person could be convicted.
Mm, you're right, dividing things into "good" and "evil" is a bit reductive and childish. Cruel perhaps would be a better term, but essentially all other "modern" governments are still awfully cruel so...
Maybe let's not goad people who live in a country that regularly imprisons people who post descent against the government on social media to post descent against the government on social media?
The fawning over the prince the past fre months was pretty annoying. Not surprising, though, from the US. Anither greedy as fuck country. People need to look deeper at how shitty a place Saudi Arabia is.
Too bad all the sex and women in leadership positions is a turn off for the Saudi regime. Otherwise I'm sure they would have seen a kindred spirit in Joffrey.
It's only a turn off to them publically, though.
Nice derail, this thread isn't really about lethal injections in America, but the distinction you seem to be missing is that while in practice the lethal injection may not be as painless as intended, but it's not an intentionally cruel method of execution. The aim is to make the person not suffer. The reality may differ due to poor drug dosage or shortages of injections, but it's not a method designed to emotionally or physically distress. Compared to beheading or crucifixion. Those are intentionally cruel methods of killing, designed to strike fear in people.
Now, I am against capital punishment by either measure, but to imply that the intent behind lethal injection is no different than beheading and crucifixion is no different is incredibly disingenuous, and you've been trying to derail the thread with it for 3 pages now.
Also seems to happen to those who aren't murderers. It's also brutal and disgustingly unhygienic. Individuals convicted of murder should be inprisoned, not killed.
Such a lovely justice system in Saudi Arabia.I still have this on my harddrive and they would never accept to be compared to ISIS...well..
Especially when criticism of the regime is listed as blasphemy and treason, so you can't even protest or complain about it.
Still, I would take 30 seconds of that over the risk of being conscious for up to two hours and having jet fuel injected into my veins. But that's just me.
You mean "dissent" but yeah I don't see that as very productive.
In the west they spend 20 years on death row, and then get put to death 'slowly' by prolonged lethal injection.
Despite protestations of progress, the Saudi's seem to remain a middle ages dogma driven culture in their approach to most things, but have a lot of oil money to insulate, help protect them from criticism and buy their special 'friends'.
Given a choice, then explode the brain stem with a nice blunt bullet please; think the Chinese take you straight out the back to a freezer van and pop your head straight after conviction (IIRC).
Well organised long drop hanging by an expert such as Albert Pierpoint could also be quick and decisive.
Despite protestations of progress, the Saudi's seem to remain a middle ages dogma driven culture in their approach to most things, but have a lot of oil money to insulate, help protect them from criticism and buy their special 'friends'.
Given a choice, then explode the brain stem with a nice blunt bullet please; think the Chinese take you straight out the back to a freezer van and pop your head straight after conviction (IIRC).
Well organised long drop hanging by an expert such as Albert Pierpoint could also be quick and decisive.
Punishment of that nature is not only immoral, it's disgusting and barbaric and doesn't belong within 3 centuries of the 21st century. I don't give a fuck about your religion's rules, it's wrong and makes you just as disgusting as the offender because there's a degree in reveling in it.
Nah. Lethal injection is the only legal method now.
Only countries that permit death by bullet are North Korea, Indonesia, Belarus (back of the head), Ethiopia, Somalia, and some states of the US like Utah.