Your family and friends probably wouldn't like seeing you like that though.
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So, Saudi Arabian capital punishment can include beheading and headless crucifixion
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No, I don't, but that's a separate debate and one neither of us can win if we have different viewpoints. I mostly have an issue with the practice of putting the headless body on display afterwards. It seems like something that should no longer be happening in any society, but I know I'm viewing things through my own lens as well.
You're no better than them if you commit their same crime against them. How does a wrong right another wrong?
Generally there's a lot more room for error and grievous pain with somebody manually beheading another person.
Lethal injection if done right, as in using something like nembutal is 100% completely painless, giving excess dose would ensure there's no room for any suffering at all.
There's a reason we give animals lethal injection and don't behead them.
You could make an argument for the guillotine also being humane, but that's not what Saudi Arabia is using.
Generally, only if you specifically set it up in a way so that it does. It doesnt have to.
The beheading is a public spectacle though. At least when I lived in Saudi Arabia (89-96) you could go to what expats called "chop chop square" and witness one. I never did though—would have scarred me for life.
LTTP Wahhabism, the thread.
Saudi Arabia is grim. Meanwhile the US and UK can't remove their tongues from Saud's rancid arse.
This.
Saudi Arabia is grim. Meanwhile the US and UK can't remove their tongues from Saud's rancid arse.
This.
Saudi Arabia is controlled by a family not unlike the "Catholic" Italian mob. Kill, steal, rape - but don't forget your hail mary's on Sunday morning.
Also the difference of a trillion dollar economy.
I don't trust that if I'm an enemy of SA, etc, that I'll be found to move into a merciful end of existence.
This has been known for a long time but it needs to be in the spotlight at all times to condemn the barbaric Saudi regime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimr_al-Nimr
Sheikh Al nimr, spoke against inequality and oppression and called for democracy and then he was beheaded for it.
A true ally to the west these Saudis are.....
Our nation will never rise until people with your backward thinking are gone. No it's not in our religion, no other Muslim nation than the backwards Wahabi regime in Saudi Arabia practices beheading or crucifixion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimr_al-Nimr
Sheikh Al nimr, spoke against inequality and oppression and called for democracy and then he was beheaded for it.
A true ally to the west these Saudis are.....
Our nation will never rise until people with your backward thinking are gone. No it's not in our religion, no other Muslim nation than the backwards Wahabi regime in Saudi Arabia practices beheading or crucifixion.
Since when have two wrongs made a right? I don't give a bloody hell what's written in any religion's holy book or what was told by a dusty old cleric centuries in the past. This is the 21st century, we should be well past creating law codes based on religious texts.
No I'd rather my head be crushed between two steel plates that come together faster than I can feel the pain . You're still alive for a bit with a guillotine.
See people, this guy is one the reasons why the Muslim nation, and Saudi Arabia in particular will always be a cesspool of backward thinking regime boot licking apologists.
When a man was beaten, tortured and beheaded for calling for freedom and democracy then the Saudi regime drones come out and call him a terrorist, even after his death they still want to kill his name.
All I can say is Fuck the Saudi royal family from it's founding king to MBS, fuck them all to hell.
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????? We cut the throat of animals and we use bolt pistols in their heads
Not for pets we dont. Animals for slaughter is a whole other ball game, they're not afforded the same care and humane treatment as pets.
It's not very convincing using a double standard as defence of your morals.
State and Religion should have nothing to do with each other.
"Give unto Cesar what he is owed"
I'm not at all in favor of death penalty for humans.
You can be completely against the death penalty while still recognizing that some methods of execution are way more barbaric and inhumane than others.
http://www.bbc.com/arabic/middleeast-38484078
Yeah kidnapping this man in front of his house a killing him is not so terrorist?
So much for the group calling for freedom and democracy .
I hope that you search what that group did in al-Qatif.
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A lot of social media influencers are vocal about many problems in the kingdom and they weren't put inside prisoners.
I know that SA isn't a pinky world where everything is perfect but change takes time.
"Change takes time" does it? How long should we give a cadre of oil drunk barbarous aristocratic fools?
I'm not really sure what the practical difference this point makes. Tell me where my trains of thought has gone wrong
1. Killing people who have committed certain crimes is fine (At least from the logic of the USA and Saudi Arabia)
2. Killing by cutting the throat of an animal is humane (By the standards of the UK, and I assume other western places)
3. Beheading is functionally equivalent to throat cutting (my personal opinion)
4. Therefore beheading must be humane
5. Watching the victim die/being dead is OK (At least from the logic of the USA and Saudi Arabia)
6. Therefore having someone being tied down who poses absolutely no further threat to and then inviting people to come watch them gasp for air for up to 2 hours as they die "sedated" - and cutting someones head off (which afaik should be an instant kill) and displaying the body for all to see are equivalently despicable.
What makes the US system so much better and the Saudi's "barbaric"? It feels like people are simply reacting to the method and manner being "different" rather than the exact facts of the way we treat condemned criminals in what is considered the most powerful and influential country in the "civilized" world.
This goes for all the states that practice the penalty of capital punishment. When you have to deal with a proven serial killer and rapist or child molester and such then the answer is easy and will come from every one of us ,probably: Kill the bastard.
But what happens when you execute a person that is proven innocent afterwards?
What do the state tells their family?
Whoops madam, we may have killed the wrong man?
No. By not killing the convicted criminal and bar him for life you achieve 2 things. If he is guilty you do not make him the favor to die a cheap death but have him live and suffer for his crimes and maybe redeem himself. Or, if he is innocent, there is always hope that the truth will come to life and this person will be released clean back to the society that wronged him/her with the state paying the bill for their mistake.
It is 2018, death penalty should belong to the past.
But what happens when you execute a person that is proven innocent afterwards?
What do the state tells their family?
Whoops madam, we may have killed the wrong man?
No. By not killing the convicted criminal and bar him for life you achieve 2 things. If he is guilty you do not make him the favor to die a cheap death but have him live and suffer for his crimes and maybe redeem himself. Or, if he is innocent, there is always hope that the truth will come to life and this person will be released clean back to the society that wronged him/her with the state paying the bill for their mistake.
It is 2018, death penalty should belong to the past.
Probably.
Like I stated numerous times before: the death penalty should not exist. Not ever.
The gruesome display is a bonus. Not satisfied with just being bloodthirsty, gotta show it off too. Great stuff. Disgusting.
The first passage of your paragraph literally quotes the Saudi authorities, if you expect anyone here to believe what these "authorities" have to say about any justifications for the arrest of Sheikh al Nimr then you're seriously underestimating people's minds around here.
On the other hand Al Nimr's execution was condemned by a multitude of global Human rights organization
http://www.adhrb.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2015.11.20_IRF-Sheikh-Nimr_Final1.pdf
Whatever trumped up and phony charges the Saudi authorities can cook up to save face on TV, they might as well flush it down the toiled because no one is buying it.
The only group that is sowing chaos in al Qatif are the saudi royals and their thug army trying to oppress the Shia, the uprising in Bahrain shook them so hard the Saudi royals nearly shat their pants and sent their army against civilians to prop up their puppet king there, so they stepped up the oppression against the Shia in Al qatif.
It shouldn't devolve into arguing about capital punishment tho, because this thread isn't about the law of capital punishment and it's morality, this is about the Saudis using gruesome public execution methods to form a deterrence to any potential opposing voice within the kingdom.
Too drunk to give a fulfilling answer right now. I'll get back to you tomorrow when I sober up if I remember
As strong as Crown Prince Salman wants to seem to the world, his actions are the actions of a scared little boy. The latest actions against Canada are yet another sign that the house of cards propping up the House of Saud isn't as "strong and stable" as it might seem, to steal a phrase from the Brexit debacle..
Capital punishment gets lots of innocent people killed, if you advocate for it you're saying it's okay if innocent people die in your quest for bloodlust.
That's not even getting into the moral argument that a government shouldn't be allowed to kill its citizens
Agreed, MBS is a whelp trying his hardest to be with the big dogs, but the idiot doesn't realize he's playing with people who have played the game for decades. His multibillion dollar army is getting embarrased in Yemen by flip flop wearing guerrillas and his plans in Syria were ruined, the only thing he can do right is spend billions on fluff pieces in the foreign press to make him look good.
Yes Saudi Arabia is ruled by an absolutely barbaric regime and I feel sorry for the people living there. The death penalty is horrible on a fundamental level anyway though. Lets not dress it up.
What about all the executions and crucifixions of anti-government protesters? Was that part of the religion?
I never said it's okay for innocent people to die. All I said was a murderer deserves to die because taking away an innocent life isn't acceptable.
Meh if you proposed this happen to Trump or the Charlottesville marchers a good amount would get behind it.
Is this some very odd way to express the "both sides" sentiment?
"Well, if it happened to someone you dislike, you'd support it".
No. Just no.
LOL it's not both sides, but it is true. Go into a thread about an offending pedophile. Plenty of calls for the death penalty and no-one is going to take up the anti-death penalty cause in that context.
Why should we believe state media propaganda?
"Change takes time", they should start by releasing all the women and Shia prisoners that were arrested purely for having opinions if they were serious about change.
It doesn't.
The head is still alive until it passes out from lack of oxygen. Then total brain death 10 minutes later.
Who knows what the person feels. Body wide phantom pain? Damn.
There's no system that guarantees that the person you're killing is in fact a murderer though, it's just not worth it
SA uses the death penalty on its critics, they're not executing Nazis.
I'll always take the "No death penalty" stance, and so will many others. Additionally, this is about decapitation and crucifixion. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at.
So when someone is executed and they turn out to be innocent, does everyone who participated and condoned the execution get killed as some part of sick chain reaction? I mean, they all participated in taking away an innocent life.
...obviously that'd be nonsense. But killing innocent people is what these systems do.
Just saying it is easy to be against it in this context, while in others people will keep their mouth shut for fear of being labeled a sympathizer to some cause.
True, but if this thread was about them killing Nazi's I suspect there would be a few more "good riddance" posts, and less posts about the death penalty. I just suspect some people's convictions are weaker than they claim.