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best villians

  • tikis

  • snowmads

  • kremlings


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Oct 27, 2017
3,257
Hopefully not. They're ugly and poorly designed. I'd rather the Snowmads come back or we get new original villians. I'd probably pass on the game if it had kremlings
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,257
You really think the snowmads would do that much better in a wider poll? That's cute. This is like people who don't want to acknowledge that the original 150 Pokemon are still the most iconic and memorable.
Never said that. Just think that they are ugly and dated. Also the original 150 Pokemon didn't disappear from gaming for over a decade.
 

Barrel Cannon

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
9,296
I guess my problem is that I have functioning eyes.

We are talking about a series(country) that started off with the story of a bunch of crocodile like creatures stealing bananas from a monkey and monkeys fighting them back to retrieve it back. The absurdity matches the style. Also the overly exaggerated looks work amazing for a time where CRTs were the name of the game. Viewing pics off a modern monitor won't really do the art justice.
 

Starlatine

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Oct 28, 2017
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Resetera is a tiny fraction of the gaming community, our buying habits matter little in the grand scheme of things.

People who would refrain from buying a new DK game from Retro (having enjoyed the other two) just because they used BLEH KREMLINGS BLEH are an even tinier fraction you know

You people are so unreasonable. Liking the Kremlings is not an attack on Retro or the Retro DK games. Both Returns and Tropical Freeze are great, but they are great despite the tikis and snowmads, not because of them. Thinking the kremlings would "ruin everything" is mind boggling
 

The Adder

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Oct 25, 2017
18,112
I don't dislike the Snowmads at all (don't care for the Tikis). But I love the variety in the Kremlings while also keeping their theme. I'd love to see what Retro could do with them.

And let's all be honest, of the final bosses, K. Rool always had the most personality. And he was actually very different encounters between each game.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,257
People who would refrain from buying a new DK game from Retro (having enjoyed the other two) just because they used BLEH KREMLINGS BLEH are an even tinier fraction you know

You people are so unreasonable. Liking the Kremlings is not an attack on Retro or the Retro DK games. Both Returns and Tropical Freeze are great, but they are great despite the tikis and snowmads, not because of them. Thinking the kremlings would "ruin everything" is mind boggling
I liked the Snowmads, I think they are better designed and more interesting villians than the kremlings. I'd enjoy having them back. Or new villains would be cool. I just think the kremlings look ugly and dated. K Rool in particular just looks nasty and weird (and not in a good way). Retro can do better than that.
 

Deleted member 8593

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Oct 26, 2017
27,176
We are talking about a series(country) that started off with the story of a bunch of crocodile like creatures stealing bananas from a monkey and monkeys fighting them back to retrieve it back. The absurdity matches the style. Also the overly exaggerated looks work amazing for a time where CRTs were the name of the game. Viewing pics off a modern monitor won't really do the art justice.

I played the games on original hardware on a CRT back when they came out. They were as ugly back then as they are ugly now. Not to mention that Rare's sorry excuses for designs are weirdly proportioned eyesores that make the "goggly eye" meme look tame in comparison.

Cool theme, terrible execution.
 

RagnarokX

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Oct 26, 2017
15,778
I played the games on original hardware on a CRT back when they came out. They were as ugly back then as they are ugly now. Not to mention that Rare's sorry excuses for designs are weirdly proportioned eyesores that make the "goggly eye" meme look tame in comparison.

Cool theme, terrible execution.
Yeah, apart from like Diddy and Dixie Rare is awful at character design.
 

roguesquirrel

The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
5,487
Fans of Retro DK seem to enjoy throwing Rare under the bus for whatever reason. There are plenty of reasons to do that (DK64, their output under Microsoft) but DKC2 is not one of them.
i think "plasticy 90s cg isnt a universally beloved aesthetic" is a way more reasonable explanation than this weirdo over the top "us vs them" catty ass narrative youre pushing onto every post you disagree with in this thread about cartoon crocodiles in a monkey video game
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,296
- Kremlings have this overtly realistic look which made them grotesque, like other characters Rare created;
- Kremlings doesn't have a function gameplay-wise. Tikis and Snowmads act as de-facto platforms and are an integral part of the level design and their design reflect that: they are so wide because DK and co. can easily jump on them. Kremlings are generic crocodile enemies which act as random hazards in the original DKC trilogy;
- K. Rool is a poor man Bowser. He's like Wart: a Bowser stand-in if you don't want to use Bowser
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It should be said Rare probably knew that and to make him more memorable they made him totally mad and lunatic, giving him a different persona every game.

There's a reason Kremlings disappeared for a decade, and so did most of Rare characters. Sure, DKC1-2-3-64 are an important part of Nintendo's history (especially DKC1&2), and so was the partnership with Rare, and K. Rool in Smash represent that. But the future shouldn't look at the past and no, I don't want Kremlings back in the main DK series (unless they are heavenly re-design but at this point a new set of villains is probably for the better - and the Snowmads, somehow, are that: Kremlings done right).
 

Flame Lord

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Oct 26, 2017
2,796
I haven't liked any of the new enemies as much as the Kremlings, so I'd totally be down for their return.
 

Gartooth

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,440
I still can't believe today is real.

Wow, yeah put them back in the DKC series. Bring back more Animal Buddies too!
 

Starlatine

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Oct 28, 2017
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and the Snowmads, somehow, are that: Kremlings done right

Guess i'm not just seeing it given the repercussion of K. Rool in smash and even inside our little bubble with the poll results

You'd think that if the kremlings were so horrible and the snowmads so better people would be a tad more vocal about it instead of trying to turn this into a stupid Rare vs Retro feud
 

roguesquirrel

The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
5,487
Guess i'm not just seeing it given the repercussion of K. Rool in smash and even inside our little bubble with the poll results

You'd think that if the kremlings were so horrible and the snowmads so better people would be a tad more vocal about it instead of trying to turn this into a stupid Rare vs Retro feud
literally the only people pushing the "rare vs retro" angle are people who like kremlings trying to dismiss opinions that arent theres
 

zoukka

Game Developer
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Oct 28, 2017
2,361
I have some nostalgia for Kremlins, but I'm not kidding myself into believing they were great designs. Neither are the walruses.
 
Nov 1, 2017
2,904
i think "plasticy 90s cg isnt a universally beloved aesthetic" is a way more reasonable explanation than this weirdo over the top "us vs them" catty ass narrative youre pushing onto every post you disagree with in this thread about cartoon crocodiles in a monkey video game
well since this is the thread about the monkey video game with the popularity poll we can safely say that nobody gives a shit about the replacements for the 90s CG enemies and it's people who dislike them that are the weirdos ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

xyla

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Oct 27, 2017
8,385
Germany
The Tikis were lame, the Snowmads are great, but the Kremlings are awesome!

They could be incorporated well into the next retro DK. No reason they wouldn't work as well as the Snowmads.

Would be the perfect end for retros trilogy.
And for the record I love 90s plastic cgi if done right.
 

roguesquirrel

The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
5,487
well since this is the thread about the monkey video game with the popularity poll we can safely say that nobody gives a shit about the replacements for the 90s CG enemies and it's people who dislike them that are the weirdos ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
see this is what i mean, why is every response to a post you disagree with this weird childish shit that doesnt actually take the content of the post into account.

this isnt an elementary school playground dude
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,296
Guess i'm not just seeing it given the repercussion of K. Rool in smash and even inside our little bubble with the poll results

You'd think that if the kremlings were so horrible and the snowmads so better people would be a tad more vocal about it instead of trying to turn this into a stupid Rare vs Retro feud
You can be happy because a character you loved as a child who is objectively a big part of Nintendo's history is in a crossover celebrating 30 years of videogames AND at the same time realizing that this character and his crew don't really fit today standard (unlike, say, Diddy Kong).
 

Barrel Cannon

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
9,296
I played the games on original hardware on a CRT back when they came out. They were as ugly back then as they are ugly now. Not to mention that Rare's sorry excuses for designs are weirdly proportioned eyesores that make the "goggly eye" meme look tame in comparison.

Cool theme, terrible execution.

Fair enough mate. We are all entitled to have our own likes and dislikes of what we find an appealing artstyle.
 

Starlatine

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Oct 28, 2017
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at the same time realizing that this character and his crew don't really fit today standard

why they don't fit exactly? because you don't like them?
there's nothing about them that couldnt be reworked to fit the new games. specially in a completely bonkers series like Donkey Kong. You're not talking about putting dinosaurs and real human proportions in mario here (wait a minute...)
 

Weiss

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Oct 25, 2017
64,265
I voted Kremlings but I stress that their Pirate designs are the truly perfect look for them, and their DKC1 and DKC3 looks are kind of meh.

I'd rank them Pirate Kremlings > Snowmads = Kremlings > Those fucking wood planks.
 
Nov 1, 2017
2,904
see this is what i mean, why is every response to a post you disagree with this weird childish shit that doesnt actually take the content of the post into account.

this isnt an elementary school playground dude
You're playing conversation arbiter in a thread about Nintendo game villains which you already trivialized as a stupid discussion in your posts. Let's not pretend you have any ground here lol.
 

MrBadger

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Oct 27, 2017
2,552
Tropical Freeze is the best DK Country, but I can't deny that pirate crocodiles are far cooler baddies than viking penguins
 

srtrestre

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
18,970
I don't even hate the Snowmads (plus I feel that the Retro DK games > Rare DK games by far) but can't deny that I prefer the Kremlings. The croc + pirate combo is just super compelling.
 

gardfish

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,628
If it wasn't already going to happen, it certainly will now. Smash can breathe life back into any character.
 

RagnarokX

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Oct 26, 2017
15,778
I actually like Snowmads the most but Pirate Kremlings are right behind them, then Tikis and then normal arse Kremlings
K.Rool himself dunks on the other bosses though.


Great use of palette swapping tbh
Radioactive ocean with clear bright green skies doesn't really scream swamp. They should have swapped the whole background with the swamp background.

Retro's games have completely unique backgrounds for every single level that do a lot of visual storytelling.
 

Diddy Kong

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Oct 27, 2017
1,057
Snowmads were actually decent, aside from the final boss being a rip off of K.Rool lol. I definitely hope they bring back the Kremlings to close out a potential trilogy.