One big problem with battle Royale

I definitely agree with you. I think there is enough of a player base they can, if even loosely, match you based on your skills.

I'm terrible at Fortnite, and only last long by hiding.

Options never hurt anybody.

I think that's a Fortnite problem with it's emphasize on building mechanic, some people no matter how good they are at shooters won't be able to compete if they are not good with building.

I am pretty sure PUBG does have skill based matching.

The problem is determining the "skill". Time staying alive? Kill count? Some ridiculous calculation like Overwatch does? I just don't know how it would work in BR games.

Saint-14 said:

I think that's a Fortnite problem with it's emphasize on building mechanic, some people no matter how good they are at shooters won't be able to compete if they are not good with building.

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This is why I just gave up on that game. I shoot at someone and they build a mansion before I know what happened. That's another thing that would need to be calculated with skill and how would you go about doing it? I think it's too complicated and is just easier to just dump people on a map and hope they have enough fun to stay.

Just play Fortnite on Switch with a pro controller and a wired internet connection. You'll feel like a god.

PUBG's matchmaking is skill based.

Your ranking is just hidden.

It's why if you switch region you'll suddenly win more games as your rank is per region.

Yea PUBG has matchmaking lol

Seems like this 'big problem' can relate to any online game, from battle royales to sports. There will always be better players out there.

GranddadFreeman said:

The problem is determining the "skill". Time staying alive? Kill count? Some ridiculous calculation like Overwatch does? I just don't know how it would work in BR games.



This is why I just gave up on that game. I shoot at someone and they build a mansion before I know what happened. That's another thing that would need to be calculated with skill and how would you go about doing it? I think it's too complicated and is just easier to just dump people on a map and hope they have enough fun to stay.

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It's one of the best feelings in the world when you have a mini gun or launcher and wreck someone's fortress while they try to build cover against you

CoD doesn't have skill based MM

WillyTheBikeGuy said:

I am pretty sure PUBG does have skill based matching.

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It does. It gets reset every "season", though.

Fortnite is a pretty strange beast of a game. It's probably the most difficult game I've ever learned how to play -- which isn't what I would have thought, just from seeing footage. When I set foot in it a month and change ago, I had a *lot* of work to do to get up to speed. Starting from the basics of just learning what items do what, and how the guns work, all the way up to learning the fundamental structures to build, the map, where chests tend to spawn, getting used to bullet drop on snipers, learning the ins and outs of what to do (and not do) in a third person game (I come from primarily FPS).

It took me a week or so before I got my first win in any mode. Now I'm sitting at something like 2 solo wins, 6 duo wins, and 9 squad wins. The latter of which are all with my friends who started learning the game around the same time.

It's a huge skill ceiling OP, and I don't recommend Fortnite to people who aren't willing to engage directly with it, learn the meta, learn how to build fast and effectively (this is easily the hardest part), etc. I think if you want less of an investment, there are bound to be other BR experiences that are more from that angle.

My promise to you is this, though: Spend a *bunch* of time in the Playground mode in Fortnite, learn how to build your own Fort Knox, watch some Youtube videos from the big streamers who give hints and tips, and you'll be a far better player in a couple days time. You have to learn to love the building aspect of the game. You're probably already better than most of the people in a Fortnite lobby, to be honest, it just seems like you're worse because they're building and you're (probably) not.

Order of importance (generally, though season 5 is a spray meta so ymmv): Building > Movement / Editing > Shooting. Start thinking about Fortnite in that order instead of Shooting > *, and you'll start pulling in the wins.

You have not experienced bad MM until you've experienced Hi Rez match making.

I don't want any matchmaking, connection should be the only thing taken into consideration.

impact said:

CoD doesn't have skill based MM

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The last one I played was BO3 but it always felt like the whole other team was cannon fodder when I played with RL friends. It was almost every time versus having good matches solo or with a different group.

OP, "the 12 year old, 8 hours a day" is such a tired excuse for people being better than you. It happens. There are players who will play the game for the first time and annihilate you, that's just how it goes.

GranddadFreeman said:

This is why I just gave up on that game. I shoot at someone and they build a mansion before I know what happened. That's another thing that would need to be calculated with skill and how would you go about doing it?

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I find that in Fortnite it helps to be aggressive. If the guy throws up a mansion, fire a rocket launcher or lob a grenade at them and then charge in. Make them sweat, don't give them time to hole up. Not that I'm good or anything, but Fortnite definitely encourages an aggressive playstyle.

Saint-14 said:

I think that's a Fortnite problem with it's emphasize on building mechanic, some people no matter how good they are at shooters won't be able to compete if they are not good with building.

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Yep.

Literally anytime I'm getting warmed up in Fortnite:

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Slam Tilt said:

I find that in Fortnite it helps to be aggressive. If the guy throws up a mansion, fire a rocket launcher or lob a grenade at them and then charge in. Make them sweat, don't give them time to hole up. Not that I'm good or anything, but Fortnite definitely encourages an aggressive playstyle.

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This is pretty accurate.

In Season 5 you actually have a *lot* more options available to you if you aren't good at building in the game. I'd never recommend leaving yourself in that state, of course, not with Playground mode readily available for everyone to learn in an easy and safe environment how to build, find their favorite keybinds, learn the map, etc., *but* if you must, there's now a lot of weapons that play to dismantling other players' builds. The tommy gun is a huge player here: it will rip structures to pieces. Grenades, rockets, grenade launchers, stickies, C4 -- all of these things are lying pretty much everywhere. If you find that people are besting you on builds, then get them on the ground with you.

In general, though, you never want to find yourself on lower ground than an enemy. This is why so many peoples -- whether they are good or bad players -- will build up a storm on first notice of you; they want that height advantage. Your options are simple: build up to them aggressively, level the playing field by denying them their build, or let them get height advantage on you, which will *probably* end with you being dead if you don't know what you're doing.

Spoo said:

This is pretty accurate.

In Season 5 you actually have a *lot* more options available to you if you aren't good at building in the game. I'd never recommend leaving yourself in that state, of course, not with Playground mode readily available for everyone to learn in an easy and safe environment how to build, find their favorite keybinds, learn the map, etc., *but* if you must, there's now a lot of weapons that play to dismantling other players' builds. The tommy gun is a huge player here: it will rip structures to pieces. Grenades, rockets, grenade launchers, stickies, C4 -- all of these things are lying pretty much everywhere. If you find that people are besting you on builds, then get them on the ground with you.

In general, though, you never want to find yourself on lower ground than an enemy. This is why so many peoples -- whether they are good or bad players -- will build up a storm on first notice of you; they want that height advantage. Your options are simple: build up to them aggressively, level the playing field by denying them their build, or let them get height advantage on you, which will *probably* end with you being dead if you don't know what you're doing.

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I can definitely agree with the C4 call (even though they cut down the number you can get now which is dumb as shit). I usually build up while denying them their little fort they built or I sit on the ground and just spam my shotgun at them, rinse and repeat.

KCsoLucky said:

The last one I played was BO3 but it always felt like the whole other team was cannon fodder when I played with RL friends. It was almost every time versus having good matches solo or with a different group.

OP, "the 12 year old, 8 hours a day" is such a tired excuse for people being better than you. It happens. There are players who will play the game for the first time and annihilate you, that's just how it goes.

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I own WW2 and the game constantly puts me on teams with no prestige noobs and the other team is all filled with prestiges so high I don't even know which level it is.

Maybe Overwatch does it right, but CoD definitely does not!

impact said:

I own WW2 and the game constantly puts me on teams with no prestige noobs and the other team is all filled with prestiges so high I don't even know which level it is.

Maybe Overwatch does it right, but CoD definitely does not!

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It must have been that my friends sucked so much that there were always plenty of targets for me to kill then lol. I guess knowing where they died helped a lot too lol.

PUBG has matchmaking but the ranks resets every season IIRC

Agree. Honestly competitive shooters are not my thing, but honestly there's a few BR games I play on my mobile because they are a bit simpler and I do okay. I played 3 matches of fortnite and couldn't get a kill, and I realized I was just trying to hide to stay alive and would die seconds after being found. Wasn't fun for me, if I got paired with some noobs and split some skulls it could've been different, but there is an abysmal chance of me ever trying again.