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Nokterian

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,528
Euroland
Jack is fucking asshole..this motherfucker.

Also he follows white supremacists and even giving them a platform, it is hideous he is not even bothered by his ToS.
 

Notaskwid

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,652
Osaka
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Oct 25, 2017
11,963
The legal system will deal with Alex Jones.. Nazis.. etc..

Why does Twitter need to ban them?

I don't understand all this want for censorship.

For the thousandth time, that shit isn't censorship. Why can't people get that?

Twitter can do whatever it wants, as they seem to be doing, but they are being pure shitheels. They are trying to avoid any/all responsibility as a platform.

It most definitely is censorship.

I never said it was a freedom of speech issue.

No, it 100% isn't.

Just because I don't want you on my platform, or refuse to publish your book, blog, podcast, etc. doesn't mean it is censorship. At all.

I guess if I violate the ToS of ERA and post links to piracy, that is censorship.
 

dem

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
900
You do know that pedophiles aren't allowed on Facebook (for example), right?

No I had no idea. How is that enforced? They proactively ban people on the registry?

Do you think that should be expanded? Should Mike Tyson be allowed on Facebook? (Convicted rapist)

Enforcing all this seems to be a crazy line..
 

Just_a_Mouse

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,030
Jack is a trash excuse for a human being. It'll be a good day when his toxic hate ridden platform goes offline forever.
 

dem

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
900
For the thousandth time, that shit isn't censorship. Why can't people get that?

Twitter can do whatever it wants, as they seem to be doing, but they are being pure shitheels. They are trying to avoid any/all responsibility as a platform.



No, it 100% isn't.

Just because I don't want you on my platform, or refuse to publish your book, blog, podcast, etc. doesn't mean it is censorship. At all.

I guess if I violate the ToS of ERA and post links to piracy, that is censorship.


Yes.. it is. That is literally what censorship is.

I'm not going to debate this. Consult a dictionary.
 

ZeoVGM

Member
Oct 25, 2017
76,103
Providence, RI
No I had no idea. How is that enforced? They proactively ban people on the registry?

Do you think that should be expanded? Should Mike Tyson be allowed on Facebook? (Convicted rapist)

Enforcing all this seems to be a crazy line..

If Facebook does not want a convicted rapist on their site, they can ban him from it.

And that is within their right. It is not censorship.

And no, banning FUCKING NAZIS from your website is not a "crazy line."
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,963
Yes.. it is. That is literally what censorship is.

I'm not going to debate this. Consult a dictionary.

If you aren't going to debate it, then don't put it out there bro.

Am I being censored if I knowingly violate ERA's ToS and post links to piracy thus getting banned for it? Newsflash, that isn't censorship. That is exactly what is occurring, he is violating ToS, you can disagree with it...but guess what, still doesn't make it censorship.

Censorship is something that effectively requires the government, i.e. that book, article, picture, etc. is banned from publication, full stop. No one says I have to publish it under my own publishing house.
 

Dynamite Cop

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,002
California
People need to stop being lazy as fuck and stop using the platforms they're complaining about. You're just being a huge fucking hypocrite(with CEOs shrugging) when people are still using their services.
 

excelsiorlef

Bad Praxis
Member
Oct 25, 2017
73,316
I mean, it's their choice. If you don't like it, stop supporting Twitter.

However, I am curious about ERA's opinion on the whole "freedom of speech" argument. Everywhere else I post is split on the Alex Jones debate. The people against it keep talking about how it goes against freedom of speech. Personally, I understand Youtube and such are a business and they do not have to abide if they do not like it. Some people can't wrap this around their head.

Anyone who thinks this is a free speech issue is either

  1. An idiot
  2. A disingenuous Alex Jones fan
  3. Both
 

dem

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
900
User warned: Derailing
I'm not going to debate a dictionary definition. Words have meanings.

I never said they didn't have a right to censor. Facebook and twitter can do whatever they want. I didn't say it was a freedom of speech issue. I just don't think it's the correct way to go about things.

That's it.

Communication - good
No communication - bad

Love is the only way.

That's it.. that's all.
 

excelsiorlef

Bad Praxis
Member
Oct 25, 2017
73,316
It just seems like people want Alex Jones banned from Twitter for things he's said on his show.. not on Twitter. I could be wrong... I'm not an Alex Jones follower..

I don't think putting the left and right in their own online echo chambers is going to help anything. In fact I think that's how we got where we are now. Cable news echo chambers.

Twitter facilitates echo chambers by allowing hate propaganda and hate propagandists
 

Dalek

Member
Oct 25, 2017
38,909
I'm not going to debate a dictionary definition. Words have meanings.

I never said they didn't have a right to censor. Facebook and twitter can do whatever they want. I didn't say it was a freedom of speech issue. I just don't think it's the correct way to go about things.

That's it.

Communication - good
No communication - bad

Love is the only way.

That's it.. that's all.

Nonsense. You're trolling at this point.
 

excelsiorlef

Bad Praxis
Member
Oct 25, 2017
73,316
The "marketplace of ideas" is essentially like a grocery store selling food and poison that are indistinguishable from each other and saying don't worry after it's consumed we'll know which was which
 

M. Wallace

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,061
Midwest
I'm not going to debate a dictionary definition. Words have meanings.

I never said they didn't have a right to censor. Facebook and twitter can do whatever they want. I didn't say it was a freedom of speech issue. I just don't think it's the correct way to go about things.

That's it.

Communication - good
No communication - bad

Love is the only way.

That's it.. that's all.

This isn't Interstellar. That was worse.
 

Johnny Blaze

Avenger
Oct 29, 2017
4,162
DE
I'm not going to debate a dictionary definition. Words have meanings.

I never said they didn't have a right to censor. Facebook and twitter can do whatever they want. I didn't say it was a freedom of speech issue. I just don't think it's the correct way to go about things.

That's it.

Communication - good
No communication - bad

Love is the only way.

That's it.. that's all.
How many Nazis have you loved out of Nazism? Lead by example.
 

dem

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
900
I mean.. I can't believe I have to do this..

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient" as determined by a government or private institution.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,963
I'm sure many people have been banned for less.
Oh, there is no doubt they have been. It's comical they are trying to hide behind, hey it's your job to discredit it. I mean, just pause for a brief moment and think about the ramifications of that. I can post damn near any crazy crap on Twitter and it should be the job of others to refute it. Bold approach.
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
Member
Dec 24, 2017
17,649

b-dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
General Manager
Oct 25, 2017
32,721
Oh, there is no doubt they have been. It's comical they are trying to hide behind, hey it's your job to discredit it. I mean, just pause for a brief moment and think about the ramifications of that. I can post damn near any crazy crap on Twitter and it should be the job of others to refute it. Bold approach.
I'm sure if we said the stuff Alex Jones says about the Sandy Hook parents about Jack we'd all be banned in short order.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,963
I mean.. I can't believe I have to do this..

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient" as determined by a government or private institution.

What you seem to be missing is Alex Jones' speech isn't being suppressed. He is still able to make said speech, he just cannot do it on my platform.

I wrote a book, I demand that Random House publish it, if they don't is that censorship? Shit isn't hard man.
 

dem

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
900
What you seem to be missing is Alex Jones' speech isn't being suppressed. He is still able to make said speech, he just cannot do it on my platform.

I wrote a book, I demand that Random House publish it, if they don't is that censorship? Shit isn't hard man.

And that is called private censorship or corporate censorship..
 

b-dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
General Manager
Oct 25, 2017
32,721
I mean.. I can't believe I have to do this..

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient" as determined by a government or private institution.
Censorship would be not allowing him to say those horrible things in the first place, not banning him for saying those horrible things. Consequences ain't censorship.
 

dem

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
900
Censorship would be not allowing him to say those horrible things in the first place, not banning him for saying those horrible things. Consequences ain't censorship.

Corporate censorship is censorship by corporations, the sanctioning of speech by spokespersons, employees, and business associates by threat of monetary loss, loss of employment, or loss of access to the marketplace.
 

Johnny Blaze

Avenger
Oct 29, 2017
4,162
DE
I mean.. I can't believe I have to do this..

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient" as determined by a government or private institution.
Now go on and post the definition of institution.
 

ZeoVGM

Member
Oct 25, 2017
76,103
Providence, RI
Corporate censorship is censorship by corporations, the sanctioning of speech by spokespersons, employees, and business associates by threat of monetary loss, loss of employment, or loss of access to the marketplace.

What is wrong with you where you would this deeply go to bat for racists who harass the parents of dead children?

To support people like that in the case of them getting banned from a social media platform means you need to rethink your priorities.