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IGN removes their Dead Cells Review, investigating plagiarism. (Update: Writer Responds)
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What are you talking about? You literally just said I was defending plagiarism. I'm allowed to call you out on your "anyone that thinks the fervour is too much must be uneducated" as being nonsense.
No buddy, my "you" wasn't directed singularly at you. It was a plural you for anyone minimizing the plagiarism. Follow the chain back.
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How long do you expect until we hear from IGN?
Also, for everyone calling this a witch hunt or saying we're out for blood, keep in mind: This is a dream job for many of us and to see someone take it for granted and not even put passion and dedication into their work, it's quite upsetting. There are thousands of die-hard Nintendo fans out there who could and would do better and hopefully IGN finds one of them to take over.
Also, for everyone calling this a witch hunt or saying we're out for blood, keep in mind: This is a dream job for many of us and to see someone take it for granted and not even put passion and dedication into their work, it's quite upsetting. There are thousands of die-hard Nintendo fans out there who could and would do better and hopefully IGN finds one of them to take over.
Wow, I'm on a plane for 4 hours and you guys get the thread temporarily closed. I can never just leave you guys alone for a spell, can I? ;)
I do feel sorry for Filip. He fucked up, no doubt, but there's always something painful to seeing how the public reaction on the interwebs (not really in this thread, at least not in the first 12 that I've read, but elsewhere) goes ballistic on the person in addition to the inevitable repercussions from his job.
I do feel sorry for Filip. He fucked up, no doubt, but there's always something painful to seeing how the public reaction on the interwebs (not really in this thread, at least not in the first 12 that I've read, but elsewhere) goes ballistic on the person in addition to the inevitable repercussions from his job.
It was discovered late last night so they're probably just getting to it.
We probably won't get an answer from IGN soon, but a good gauge would be checking out NVC Live on Thursday. After Wednesday's Smash direct, they won't miss it. But if we still don't get a response and Filip is absent from NVC this week, that will be telling.
I guarantee someone stayed up overnight dealing with this. Filip probably hasn't slept at all, either.
And much like everything else, he and this situation will be forgotten about in a day or two. Hopefully he takes this as a learning/growing experience and realizes this isn't the end of his life. The spotlight will move on to someone or something else the minute IGN fires him.
That's kind of the irony of the situation, right? The guy will probably benefit greatly from this situation. I watched a couple of their videos and it's pretty decent stuff! Short, to-the-point. Would watch again.
Holy Spidey! Is there a source video? The camera work looks suspicious, is it legit?
I wouldn't throw the rock at IGN, you cannot verify every content published, moreover now with all youtube and twitch stuff. In every population, you have 5% that cheat and broke the rules.
This guy career as a game reviewer is finished and maybe IGN will be more strict when recruiting.
This guy career as a game reviewer is finished and maybe IGN will be more strict when recruiting.
Don't feel sorry for him. It's pretty easy not to plagiarise.
Ha! Well, I'm no longer trying for that. It was an old dream.
Not IGN, which is why it's such a big deal.
But if you look at Youtube game reviewers, or Youtubers in general, it has happened several times that one Youtuber lifts the script from another Youtuber's video.
Either because their speciality is editing, not reviewing, or because they are sure to not get caught (for example because they have an audience in a different language than english). Some people don't have as much awareness and taboo about plagiarism.
Small problem I see with Jim's video:
https://youtu.be/8yO1KV4rsg4?t=42
Quote: "as if the reviewer hadn't played the game at all"
https://youtu.be/8yO1KV4rsg4?t=289
Quote: "I'd wager a small amount of money on the reviewer in question having not played Dead Cells or at the very least given about 5 minutes and then decided that they were ready to write about it"
Despite complaining that people unjustly accused him of not having played games he covered in the past.
Quote: "I'd wager a small amount of money on the reviewer in question having not played Dead Cells or at the very least given about 5 minutes and then decided that they were ready to write about it"
Despite complaining that people unjustly accused him of not having played games he covered in the past.
So just to clear away the potential misinformation spread: he played the game.
So this is the guys first review edit for ign and he blatantly copied it off someone else?
It is so obvious it's embarrassing
It is so obvious it's embarrassing
I don't feel sorry for plagiarists. He could have chosen to ask for a delay to actually finish the game and face the repercussions of that rather than throw his entire career in journalism in the trash. And let's not forget that he made his employer look bad (one that is already a punching bag) as well as putting his fellow employees into a bad spot by having to be affiliated with a content thief.
No single editor does all that. You are rolling together the responsibilities of 3 distinct editing positions.
I agree that they do a lot and what they do is important but be careful of how you present that importance.
Filip has always felt like he's been out of his depth at IGN. It felt very strange when they replaced Jose with effectively a YouTube personality, and then immediately made him the host of NVC and the face of all things Nintendo at the company.
I wouldn't be surprised if Filip was either stretched for time with his other duties, or didn't feel his own review was "good enough", so tried to save face among his peers by stealing the review from someone else.
Inexcusable at this level of the industry though, regardless of what actually went down. I hope IGN does the right thing here.
I wouldn't be surprised if Filip was either stretched for time with his other duties, or didn't feel his own review was "good enough", so tried to save face among his peers by stealing the review from someone else.
Inexcusable at this level of the industry though, regardless of what actually went down. I hope IGN does the right thing here.
I hope that one day we will stop using 'Youtube personality' as some kind of derogatory remark.
What do you think Boomstick Gaming is?
The best thing for Filip to do right now is to come out and publicly apologize for his mistake and quietly wait for consequences. DO NOT make excuses, or rant, or say anything to justify his mistake. His career is hanging on his incoming action.
Weird, the video is unavailable here, no error message. Was it hosted on IGN's channel and they removed it?
So did anything develop overnight regarding this situation? I don't want to read 10+ pages at the moment.
It'll be interesting how IGN responds to this situation in question.
It'll be interesting how IGN responds to this situation in question.
I'm a little conflicted tbh. I'm really not a fan of outrage culture, especially how it can be weaponized by terrible people (see Mike Cernovich), but also it's hard for me to be sympathetic to someone who plagiarized so blatantly.
I mentioned this in a previous post but I almost failed a class in college and didn't graduate on time because someone stole my work for a project and the teacher didn't know who copied who. It was soul-crushing. I clearly have personal bias here but I just can't feel bad for Filip. It's one thing to use another person's work as a reference or research and it's another thing entirely to steal their work word for word.
I'm certainly not going to be hurling death threats at him, because that shit is 100% inexcusable regardless of the situation, but also I'm not going to feel bad when he most likely gets fired. It's the right decision.
I mean, he's right. There's no reason to assume that anyone else but Filip was possibly implicated in this.
I wonder if hearing it from Jason means some people will actually listen that this is actually a bad thing and it hurts people who actually do their jobs properly at IGN?
I know, I'm not feeling sorry for him because he's gonna get fired for it and lose his prospects for an industry career - that's all on him. I just derive no pleasure from seeing random twitter and Reddit usernames typing insults aimed at him.
It seems that no. I also expected some news from IGN by now, but it seems that nothing has happened on their side yet.
Also guy, how the hell did you got the thread locked?
Not the face of Nintendo at the largest video games news outlet in the world.
I didn't mean it derogatorily, just that you'd think IGN would put him in a lesser role first, let him find his feet and work up through the ranks, rather than immediately flinging him to the top where he seemingly can't cope with the pressure.
Kinda agree. IGN still some decent folks working. No harm needed.
Back when I wrote reviews on Steam, somebody lifted the entirety of my review and tried to pass it off as theirs.
I imagine this shit happens all the time in the Steam community.
People gave Jason death threats because he delayed No Man's Sky. The mob doesn't listen to reason.
Lol doubtful. There are people out there that still think Jason actively causes the delays of games when he reports them lol.
I'm talking about the people who said that we should just act like this isn't a problem because lol game journalism
Not really, Kotaku wrote an article about it, but nothing new.
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