Mobs aren't necessary of course -- ideally this would've been caught by his editor (if this was his first time editing a video, he had an editor who is also responsible for this) and dealt with internally without going public.
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IGN removes their Dead Cells Review, investigating plagiarism. (Update: Writer Responds)
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If by "move on" you mean be removed from his job, you're correct. If by "move on" you mean apologize and hope it goes away, that isn't going to work. Having a plagiarist on staff makes everyone at IGN look bad.
Tone policing or tone trolling. They aren't even addressing the plagiarism, just the reaction to the plagiarism. Pretty common way to marginalize someone on the other side of an argument. As to why? Maybe they sucked in school and copied a few papers as well. Maybe they are trolling. Who knows. It's BS and we should ignore them, though.
I wasn't the one who used the term, you were:
You seem to have a fondness for making up a response and claiming someone made it. That's twice in a row now, and it's pretty tiring.
It really is astonshing how many people think being an editor in the gaming industry is a lazy job.
Seems most picture this job as sitting around, playing games for free and then writing a few words about it.
You do know that they have to play/review/preview multiple games, still create content, produce shit, hold conferences and all that shit.
And if you create a Video you invest several hours of work for just a few minutes of content.
Research, writing a script, recording it, going through your pictures and videofiles, cutting, editing and what not.
Seems most picture this job as sitting around, playing games for free and then writing a few words about it.
You do know that they have to play/review/preview multiple games, still create content, produce shit, hold conferences and all that shit.
And if you create a Video you invest several hours of work for just a few minutes of content.
Research, writing a script, recording it, going through your pictures and videofiles, cutting, editing and what not.
Yeah that sums up how I feel. Just feel uncomfortable at the route this is taking.
Lol tone policing.
Or, maybe just suggesting that you check into the real world and get some perspective. This is a mountain out of a molehill.
GlamFM brought up internet mobs in the first place with the whole "pitchforks and torches" spiel, which is why I believe you responded to me in the first place. I apologize if I took that as you agreeing with someone else's thoughts or if I'm misunderstanding you.
It has not been suggested. The question has been asked, no answer has been given.
A question makes a suspicion, not a fact. Don't scatter hearsay without verifying the source. :D
I know this wasn't directed to me, but from this thread I noticed you seem like one those "he should receive an infinite amount of punishment and abuse for what he did, there should be no limit to the amount of hatred and negative attention he should receive for the rest of his life because I'm ridiculously vindictive" types.
Yes, it DOES seem like he plagiarized, but I would also like to hear his version of the story, and even though I believe he should be reprimanded accordingly, I'm not cool with saying he deserved all the social media negativity he can get. And it's a bit disturbing that you seem so comfortable and even encouraging of that kind of incessant hatred towards him. Claiming that something has been blown out of proportion can be a fair statement, and is not the same as "excusing" it or saying it's "not a big deal". Everything is relative.
If someone deliberately does an extremely shitty thing to other people in the present, and that same someone posted about the act of doing that shitty thing in the past, the context can make it amusing in some cases and enlightening in other cases.
The date is also right there in the tweet. I thought it redundant to preface it with "this tweet is from four years ago." Seeing how there are a few who did think it was a recent tweet though, I can concede that a date preface might've been helpful.
Filip was not only shitty to the YouTuber from whom he stole his content, but he was shitty to IGN by plagiarizing under their banner. The old tweet amused me because, at the very least, we know he very clearly understands the definition of plagiarism. He cannot use the "I didn't know what I was doing was wrong" defense without it coming across as utterly hollow, even if it would've come across as hollow regardless.
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Doubling down, I see?
My guess is the people defending this probably haven't made it to post-secondary education where plagiarism has very real and life-altering consequences.
Thank you. This multiple infractions thing is getting out of control. Too many people now thinking this wasn't the first time because someone simply asked if it had happened before.
No doubt plagiarism is shitty but going through timelines and digging up old tweets to get more dirt can also be really pathetic.
I think we passed the point long ago when a single outlet is burdened with the responsibility to be Everything for Everyone.
Think about how Jeff Gerstmann of Giant Bomb compares his modern job description to his GameSpot days. 10 years ago GS had staff reviewing and covering almost everything that released, inc. trash games that no one even cared about. It was part of the business model. Today, Gerstmann & co. hardly do reviews at all. They cover what interests them personally and have done away with perfunctory "just because" coverage of games and genres they're not invested in.
Perhaps "mega-outlets" will continue to deal in bulk coverage. That's cool. But Polygon, Waypoint, Giant Bomb, and more are more specialized & nuanced in their coverage. Finding unique angles to view the medium through. They're a valuable asset to the landscape.
There's no right or wrong to it. There's a place for both your IGN's and you Polygon's. But neither is beholden to keep pace with each other's production or focus. They're just doing their own thing.
It's obvious you're not looking for Polygon's coverage style. Maybe you should just move on. It's unfortunate that your work gives you limited access, but that's hardly Polygon's fault.
Have you tried getting network access on your phone at work? Sometimes the sites they block on your work PC are different than anything they'd block using your mobile devices.
Good luck!
What? It's really hard work? That can't be true. Game reviewers, Twitch streamers etc. are easy money c'mon. That can't be real. It's all too easy and everyone does it nowadays.
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People don't see that if they haven't done it themselves. It's really really hard work and the deadlines are the worst.
The person who initially found the old tweet probably spent more time looking for dirt than the dude spent plagiarizing lol, which is pretty hilarious
It could still be going worse. In this kind of industry, everyone must've read the story by now. And if I were an HR I probably wouldn't want to hire him as one of our writers. He's probably getting blacklisted by most bigger outlets. He still could try writing for other industries though. But yeah, his career in video games might've been ruined.
Claiming others might be arguing in bad faith and then having the gall to pursue this juvenile argument?
No, the joke isn't that right guy looks at it and realized that the work is stolen. The joke is that oneon the right is so stupid, that he forgets he was given a thing as soon as guy on the left leaves and thinks he made it. It's a really old meme.
Not sure why some people are reveling in the fact that he may lose his livelihood?
Sure he is a young man who seems to have made a terrible error of judgement, sure he probably should lose his job if the facts are born out.
But stop fucking gloating over it people...have some compassion for another human being.
Sure he is a young man who seems to have made a terrible error of judgement, sure he probably should lose his job if the facts are born out.
But stop fucking gloating over it people...have some compassion for another human being.
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Wow sounds really hard.
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They still play video games and dick around on a PC for a living, I don't think anyone should be arguing that it's a difficult job/life style. Sure it might be time consuming and you might get shit pay, but hey, that's their prerogative, not mine. You can have an actual difficult job and still play video games lol.
Why should I care about his side? Content theft is content theft. Ever watch this happen to someone in college? They don't care about your excuses, if your dog died, whatever. You're expelled if represent someone else's work as your own. That's how it goes.
This news breaks my heart. I didn't care much for Filip, but I've been following IGN religiously since around 2010, especially the podcasts. Everyone seemed to get a long and it was like this awesome family that played games together. Then Greg and Collin left and they had their own separate drama. Podcast Beyond tried some new things that I didn't like, but it eventually got into a nice flow. Then Jose left to work with Nintendo, and as happy as I was for him to get to work for the homeland, I was worried NVC would take a hit. Filip seemed like he was shoehorned into the job and never really got the hang of hosting. He's better now tho. Then all the scandals happened at the end of last year and early this year. You could tell from the podcasts that things didn't seem as friendly as before or everyone was walking on eggshells. Then there's the speculation behind Alanah leaving and Marty quietly being erased.
Idk what's going on over there at IGN, but I can't imagine what the atmosphere is like. People are probably trying to figure out what the new normal is as IGN as a brand is trying to fix its reputation that's taken some hits in the past year. And now accusations of plagiarism. Yeesh.
Idk what's going on over there at IGN, but I can't imagine what the atmosphere is like. People are probably trying to figure out what the new normal is as IGN as a brand is trying to fix its reputation that's taken some hits in the past year. And now accusations of plagiarism. Yeesh.
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Late on this but just because it's a "game review" doesn't really make the allegations of plagiarism any less serious. Copying someone's work has pretty much always been a cardinal sin in our field, so I fail to see why this would be any different.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that I can't see any compelling reason to disprove that he did it, and the written comparison earlier in the thread just kinda seals it for me. That said, I'm not IGN and I can't punish the guy - whatever he does next will probably make or break him going forward though.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that I can't see any compelling reason to disprove that he did it, and the written comparison earlier in the thread just kinda seals it for me. That said, I'm not IGN and I can't punish the guy - whatever he does next will probably make or break him going forward though.
I get it, they are more interested in Alex Jones than Evo lol.
What other reason could there be? You are defending plagiarism. If I am wrong, then provide an alternative reason.
The only reason I see is that you are saying it's shitty for people to dig up stuff on twitter or to attack him personally. But that is a separate issue. That can be shitty and plagiarism can be shitty as well. And when you are in the business of writing, copying another's work should not allow second chances, IMO. It would be like a bank teller stealing cash from the drawer. Sorry, you used up your one chance in this industry, please find another now.
So you are one of those types huh.
Is it even a little bit possible that you're blowing this out of proportion?
How is believing the person should be fired defending plagiarism?
Hey, don't get me wrong, I like following "gaming """journalism"""" as much as the next gamer, but what do you want? It's one of those industries where a large portion of the audience support it because they want to do it someday, another large portion just follow it to know what games to buy, and the rest take it way too seriously.
The content of the quote is complete bullshit though - research and scientific writing involves referencing other authors and citing their fucking work, not stealing it, and then subsequently digesting, synthesizing or critiquing it. The fact that he specifically tweeted it out means he, to at least some extent, agrees with it, and I worry that many young burgeoning academics agree with this line of thinking in the age of limitless information availability. I think it's completely relevant to highlight it, if only as part of a larger issue.
I don't really have an opinion on what should happen to him, but there should be consequences if plagiarism is found to have occurred. I definitely agree though that this thread, and the response to this in general, shouldn't turn into a typical social media dog pile, so your call for regulation along that line is totally warranted.
Thanks for the clarity. Does IGN have a history of this? I've never seen anything quite like this.
I'm sorry, how and why do you expect me to take this seriously after you just flat out came out and shat on an entire industry and segment of work, and then preached about how you could have a real job and still play video games?
You jumped in on someone else's argument, buddy.
edit: Don't take the "you" in my previous reply as singular. It's plural. It was directed at Mikebison.
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