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Dark1x

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Shows the blatant lack of professionalism that is rife across contemporary journalism. You'd think that such tech savvy people would realise how difficult in this day and age it is to hide plagiarism.
Is it really rife? How often does this really occur? I'm curious now.
 

Fairxchange

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Watching that video, definitely some similar wordings, and the one with the identical time stamp is a yikes.

That said, they both barely seem like reviews. More like a reading of bullet points about the game, instead of any unique insight into what they liked/disliked about the game. The kind of info you literally could have gotten from anywhere, including as others have pointed out, from the game's press releases.
Serious question, ever write papers in school? If so, and you don't see how IGN copied from an original source for their review then I have nothing to assist you in understanding this was plagiarism.
 
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This is an incredibly ignorant conflation of mental health with the motivations for plagiarism.
I don't see what his mental health has to do with plagiarism at all but I'm not the one who brought it up, I was just responding to someone else. It doesn't matter. He will not be exonerated because he felt bad before stealing from someone else's work.
 

Alex840

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"We are the angry mob
We read the papers everyday day
We like who like
We hate who we hate
But we're also easily swayed."
 

Mikebison

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Telling of this forum that ya'll more interested in somebody copying homework than the game itself.
 

Ponchito

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I just don't understand why would you copy a review. Either this is just a big mistake/coincidence or has to be an extremely dumb decision.
 

Barely Able

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Woah wtf, I always thought he was younger than me, and I'm 26.

He's actually 28. He talked about going to a Labo event with his 8 year old and it came up he was a younger dad when his son was born. Not that age would matter because IGN probably goes ethics and plagiarism in orientation. It's sort of the foundational no-no of any journalism field.
 
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At best, he'll never review another game. At worst (for him), his IGN career is over. Sad that he couldnt just delay, id love to hear his side of the story. Even if it could be filled with a load of bull.
More like his career in journalism is done. No media company worth their salt is going to touch someone who got fired for a very public case of plagiarism.
 

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Given that IGN pulled the review, I'm fairly certain that they've got him on hush while they discuss things internally.

It'd be a mistake to tweet before IGN makes their decision. We'll get the news, he might say something and then they'll awkwardly address it at the start of NVC and it'll be a super awkward show because they have been dying to talk about that game for weeks and they'll finally get to do so with a giant elephant in the room.

He's doing an investigation with IGN. He doesn't need to come out and explain himself.

Very good points. We will have to wait and see. But it's going to be awkward in the next NVC...
 

TheRatedD

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lol wow, this entire situation is insane. Can't wait to watch the video when I get a chance later today.
 
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Plagiarism isn't just lazy or stupid, it's theft, it's profiting off other people's work and it badly reflects not only on your employer and your colleagues but the entire profession. Someone getting publicly shunned because of incredibly reckless and selfish behaviour isn't the end of the world.

I'm aware what it is and in no way called that into question.

It also isn't the end of the world, no, but in my opinion this is unnecessary and tasteless and championing things of that nature strike me as contrary to ERA's usual values. It's not a huge deal to me in the end but it's something I see a lot in threads like this and it irks me.
 
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I just don't understand why would you copy a review. Either this is just a big mistake/coincidence or has to be an extremely dumb decision.

A job is still stressful, even in video games. He could've been doubting his writing abilities, or ran out of time and was afraid to ask for an extension.

Not an excuse, just saying career insecurities can make people do dumb things.
 

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Yikes. Even if Filip is found to be innocent of this, his reviews will always be ultra-scrutinized from now on.
 

Gestault

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I don't see what his mental health has to do with plagiarism at all but I'm not the one who brought it up, I was just responding to someone else. It doesn't matter.

I quoted your words. Their post was concern about how he would respond the his situation combined with outside criticism/abuse from social media. You said you need to have bad mental health to do it in the first place. I'm trying to help you understand why that sounds so ignorant (and why BronsonLee responded to you as well).
 

low-G

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Telling of this forum that ya'll more interested in somebody copying homework than the game itself.

What the fuck? With ANY game 90% of the forum isn't going to care. But this is a topic that affects all games journalism, which I'm sure like 50% of the community care about one way or another.
 

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Well, if "Yes, the IGN review is *literally* plagiarized, but often when an assortment of reviews come out from mainstream outlets all at once, it often appears as if a central hivemind devised one single thesis and structure of communicating that thesis and then doled out rewrites to individual reviewers. Obviously there are exceptions to this, but if you were to tell me that Felip Miucin didn't *actually* plagiarize his review I wouldn't be surprised; there is nothing particularly insightful about either his or Boomstick's reviews. This often has to do with a deep homegeneity in the types and backgrounds of people who write these things" doesn't sound like a conspiracy theory about "the gaming media" spoonfeeding audiences what they should think... please do explain.
It's a comment on how all games critics write the same because they all think in the same way. They're all cut from the same cloth. They read mostly only games reviews so their reviews inherently end up sounding incredibly similar. What I'm saying isn't that deep or insightful, it's fairly common knowledge amongst games critics that there are certain standards.

EDIT: Kunzelman sums it up here better than I can: https://twitter.com/ckunzelman/status/1026815416788762625
 

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I'm not caught up yet but anyone saying things like "I don't know, it's close but not exactly the same " or "He read from a press kit" probably stopped about a minute in. I felt similar but the last minute especially clinched it for me because that was pure opinion and some of the lines were word for word the same.
 

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Telling of this forum that ya'll more interested in somebody copying homework than the game itself.

Wish it wasn't the case tbh, reviews for the game seem like they really nailed it

I quoted your words. Their post was concern about how he would respond the his situation combined with outside criticism/abuse from social media. You said you need to have bad mental health to do it in the first place. I'm trying to help you understand why that sounds so ignorant (and why BronsonLee responded to you as well).

Yeah dude you gotta remember that bringing up someone's mental health like that ain't really fair Funny Valentine
 

Contranova

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At best, he'll never review another game. At worst (for him), his IGN career is over. Sad that he couldnt just delay, id love to hear his side of the story. Even if it could be filled with a load of bull.

Considering the amount of publicity this story is gaining (hasn't even been 24 hours yet), it would look really bad for IGN if they decide to keep Filip. How can people trust his reviews again, or IGN's credibility if they decide to "support" the plagiarizer?

If he had a solid body of work with IGN, then sure, give him a little benefit of a doubt. However, the fact that he is relatively new to the company and this is his *first review with IGN, then this is unacceptable. It's offensive to other gaming journalists and I really hope IGN does the right thing.

*EDIT: his first IGN video review that he edited himself. See his tweet:
https://twitter.com/FilipMiucin/status/1025922295569702912
 
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Vesper

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Considering the amount of publicity this story is gaining (hasn't even been 24 hours yet), it would look really bad for IGN if they decide to keep Filip. How can people trust his reviews again, or IGN's credibility if they decide to "support" the plagiarizer?

If he had a solid body of work with IGN, then sure, give him a little benefit of a doubt. However, the fact that he is relatively new to the company and this is his first review with IGN, then this is unacceptable. It's offensive to other gaming journalists and I really hope IGN does the right thing.


Where do people keep getting this from? This isn't his first review....
 

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Big surprise, games journalism continues to be trash!

Also it really bugged me that there is ZERO coverage of Evo 2018 at Polygon today, but plenty of space for articles about Gaming's Toxic Men and Alex Jones Ban controversy. I mean fuck, they cover games still, right? Biggest fucking FGC tournament and they can't even do a single summary article, unreal.
 

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Damn, he's worse than I thought. Just some opportunist who rode the Switch popularity wave rather than someone who has any passion for Nintendo and who maybe knew someone at IGN.

Mess.

Pretty much.

If you go back and watch Game Scoop's episode where they presented him, Daemon said that basically they hired him because of the success of his channel, and his IGN-ish style which consists of:

- lots of contents everyday

- short flashy videos (often under 5 minutes, never above 15 minutes)

- lots of reviews for accessories, giveaway,...

- clickbaity thumbnail, and always begging for more likes and more subs.

The rest of the success is due to the Switch popularity so hats off to him for riding the opportunity, but that doesn't make him a good reviewer anyway, he just played well the rules of youtube.

I wonder if he copied some other reviews when he was still producing contents for his channel.
 
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NekoNeko

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his position is highly sought after and he wasn't exactly a huge talent. they could've replaced him by lunch break, he's not staying.
 

Anteo

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I see people saying they copied from the press release but I dont see it, its not close enough. Does anyone has a transcript that shows they did copy from the press release?
 

NekoNeko

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I see people saying they copied from the press release but I dont see it, its not close enough. Does anyone has a transcript that shows they did copy from the press release?

i think people were saying that the things he said in his reviews are press release material. not that he actually copied something from the press release.
 

GamingRobioto

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Lol that youtube vid was fun to watch, some of the lines were exact copies. Not sure how I would handle this but if he's good at his work I wouldn't see the need to fire him for this. A warning to not let it ever happen again would be fine. Everybody makes mistakes in their life.

For me there is a big difference between a mistake and conscious dishonesty.

I'm a statistician/analyst in my job, sometimes I make a mistake with the number becuase I've got a formula wrong and that's fine, as you say everyone makes mistakes, it happens. But if I fiddled the numbers to read what I wanted to to read that is a dishonest thing to do and a conscious decision I made and if caught I would expect to be relieved of my duties and rightly so.

What has happened with this IGN review falls into the latter. This is not just a mistake, it's a calculated decision to steal and it is unacceptable IMO and the jounalist in question should lose his job.
 

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I expected this to be about stolen gameplay video. Dead Cells has been out for like a year, why would you even need to plagiarize the review? You figure someone could form a half decent opinion just through osmosis, plenty of people have talked about the game.
 
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