People still out there beating this drum eh? Lol.
Some real tinfoil hat level shit.
I wonder just wonder what the response would be if this were a woman doing the same thing? Hmmmmmm.
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IGN removes their Dead Cells Review, investigating plagiarism. (Update: Writer Responds)
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People still out there beating this drum eh? Lol.
Some real tinfoil hat level shit.
I wonder just wonder what the response would be if this were a woman doing the same thing? Hmmmmmm.
People have been calling for Flip to be fired since day one. He has finally given them the ammunition they needed. I honestly think he was over his head from the start. Going from his own Youtube channel to being an editor/host of all things Nintendo for IGN is a big change. Not sure if his career will recover from this even if he doesn't get fired. I do not think IGN was wrong for hiring them as they needed fresh blood to keep getting the younger crowd but hopefully, they take a chance on one of their female personalities to host NVC now.
Point taken. But it does not take away the fact that in journalism standards, this is still plagiarism.
I'm not really in the business of defending IGN, but this angle is as old as the internet. People used to say the same thing on the IGN boards back around 2000-2006 when I hung out there.
What's crazy about conspiracy theorists is that they literally can't accept anything, even if something outright proves a conspiracy. Here we have IGN being caught near dead to rights outright plagiarizing the work of another, smaller reviewer. Light was cast over it. You'd think these conspiracy nutters would eat it up! Nope, the real conspiracy is that they WANTED to be caught for reasons.
Lol that youtube vid was fun to watch, some of the lines were exact copies. Not sure how I would handle this but if he's good at his work I wouldn't see the need to fire him for this. A warning to not let it ever happen again would be fine. Everybody makes mistakes in their life.
100%. What he did was unprofessional, and showed that hes not fit to do the job so I think letting him go is the right thing to do, but the self righteous vitriol is just unpleasant.
You can read the press kit. It is very different from the review.
http://motion-twin.com/presskit/81
You might think the review Boomstick made isn't very good, but it is blatant plagiarism by Miucin
It's clearly plagiarism and the man knew the stakes involved, so canning him seems obvious and justified.
This kind of twisting of the knife though I'll always find unnecessary and honestly a bit pathetic. The guy's getting fired and Boomstick had their words, no need to self-indulgently get a sikkkk burn out there to emotionally profit off a crap situation for both parties. I know the internet will internet but it irks me to see things like this reposted on ERA which prides itself in empathy and high moral standards.
Just to clarify, when I say I think it's pathetic etc., I'm referring to the actual tweet and not your reposting it on here.
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Oh for sure, based on the evidence 100%. I just think this case is an interesting springboard into the fact that so many reviews in this industry at large, really are just these cookie cutter run downs of what's in the box. As opposed to a unique take, that would be immediately identifiable to all as plagiarism.
The fact that we've reached 20 pages of people floating IGN "paid review" conspiracy theories, and claims that "they're both just using quotes from the press releases", show that no matter what happened, both versions of the "review" are kind of trash.
As I said if that's the case then it is clearly plagiarism.
I didn't like Plagge either.
Peer was the only good post-Jose host, but he's too busy.
I don't follow. The fact that people post these conspiracy theories proves that the original review is "kinda of trash"? And that the review was not in fact a review, but a text derived from the press release/the "gaming hive mind"?
OK. So, another conspiracy theory.
Wow. I really wanted him to figure it out so that my favourite Nintendo podcast could be listenable again (as others have said, not a great host, not a great contributor, not great on camera, and all compounded by the fact that he followed Jose, one of my favourite hosts) I'll follow this closely but seems clear he has to go.
To those saying he's done this before, what happened?
To those saying he's done this before, what happened?
His mental health was already questionable when he considered doing plagiarism in a professional capacity in 2018 and thought he wouldn't get caught by the internet.
Do you not see the problem with this attitude? Students are expelled for plagiarism. Someone in his shoes doesn't need a warning. That wasn't a mistake, that was a choice he now regrets. A typo is a mistake. Oversleeping is a mistake. Pronouncing a name wrong is a mistake.
How I feel honestly. I read the press release, I believe the man plagiarized the review, and in turn should be let go from his position. The end.
People just enjoy insulting and abusing other people. Much more when the public opinion is supporting them. You only need someone to fuck up (like the IGN reviewer) and then you pretty much have the "A-OK" to just spill out every single evil and vile thing you have creeping inside you. Its pretty much with anything today.
This guy losing his job is not enough for some people. No, they want to just crucify him, both mentally and physically.
I am pretty sure that if lynching was generally approved off these days, there are cases were there would be flocks of people with stones ready at hand...
Vile creatures we are...
I don't see why the two are particularly related at all
Quite frankly I have no issue with people getting off a few jokes. He should have thought about that before he completely plagiarized someone's work. I'm against it when it crosses the line. No one should be out here threatening the dudes life etc.
Because he's prob a young underpaid guy with little training, thrown into a job he's not equipped for. If IGN and him were to own their mistakes and set about doing better next time, that could be a positive thing. But as I actually said, it's prob best for him to go.
Reading the thread, nobody said he's done it before, but several people asked if he did,
which resulted in the hearsay as far as I can see.
Thanks, I thought I was losing my mind over here not feeling any of the glee so many others evidently are.
Given that IGN pulled the review, I'm fairly certain that they've got him on hush while they discuss things internally.
If you are a writer/content producer in a professional capacity and you consider plagiarism as a viable option then I think you are crazy because you will eventually be caught by the internet.
This is an incredibly ignorant conflation of mental health with the motivations for plagiarism.
Yeah, the way you're throwing around "crazy" and "mental health" in this situation uses them as basically insults, associating moral failings or stupidity with them. You shouldn't do that.
It'd be a mistake to tweet before IGN makes their decision. We'll get the news, he might say something and then they'll awkwardly address it at the start of NVC and it'll be a super awkward show because they have been dying to talk about that game for weeks and they'll finally get to do so with a giant elephant in the room.
He's doing an investigation with IGN. He doesn't need to come out and explain himself.
Oh same. I remember 2002-2003 era GameFAQ's boards that sentiment was flying around even then. It's just hilarious to me people are still screaming about nonexistent payoffs like 10+ years later still.
He's not young. He's in his mid 30's and married with kids...
The guy fucked up and deserves punishment for this, but I just don't see the joy in twisting the knife.
Woah wtf, I always thought he was younger than me, and I'm 26.
Maybe it's a meta review and he intended to constantly scrap it and improve upon it the next time.
He's not doing anything. Filip is most likely being told to stay at home while people at IGN look at his body of work for them to see if there's any other instances of plagiarism.
But he added the word "engaging" to one of Boomstick's sentences. That's surely enough to avoid calls of plagiarism!
Like, I get that plagiarism is awful and this guy should deservedly face professional repercussions for what he did, but it grosses me out that social media has made it socially acceptable to pile on and shame ordinary people who make stupid mistakes.
Everyone with a Twitter account is now an angry mob, the paparazzi, and a tabloid vulture rolled into one, except the people they're chasing down don't even have publicists.
Plagiarism isn't just lazy or stupid, it's theft, it's profiting off other people's work and it badly reflects not only on your employer and your colleagues but the entire profession. Someone getting publicly shunned because of incredibly reckless and selfish behaviour isn't the end of the world.
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