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Nitpicker_Red

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Nov 3, 2017
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If what you're suggesting is that the editor who edited the writer's review should have had to look at every single YouTube review of Dead Cells before IGN's review went live just in case of plagiarism: you do not understand what you are saying or how editorial works. This is completely on the writer, though it would seem that both the IGN review and the YouTuber's review were just rewrites of a press release.
No.
The press kit is publically available

http://motion-twin.com/presskit/81

Reads nothing like these reviews.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah I think he's just trying to be the nice guy here and not want to push for him to get fired. I don't think he's considering the ramifications of those actions though, just doesn't wanna pile on and see the dude go down.

Let's hope.
Maybe he doesn't want to feel responsible for costing someone their job. I understand his sentiment, but plagiarism might be the worst thing any writer can do, so the guy deserves what he gets.
It just rubbed me the wrong way because it reminds me of when I'm at work and offer help to people who I know will say no just to appear more helpful and nicer than I actually am. And it works. And it worked here.
 

joylevel11

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May 19, 2018
840
no doubt about it for me. it's straight up plagiarism. i don't like to call for people to get fired but why would you want someone like this to work for you? I think IGN should fire him but that's up to them to decide after their investigation.
 

MRYEAH

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Oct 28, 2017
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The hall across the room
User Banned (3 Days): Posting conspiracy theories.
Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage
 

Vitor

Member
Oct 30, 2017
517
Can we please get someone better to host NVC now? I wish they could get Kallie Plagge back...
 

Lukemia SL

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Savage.

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texhnolyze

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Because plagiarism isn't making a bad decision. In a job where reputation is everything, throwing that reputation away is everything. You have never seen a journalist of any kind getting caught plagiarising and then given the chance to do it multiple times after in the same job. Recurrent behaviour my ass lol.
Yes. As someone who work in digital content industry, plagiarism is a huge deal.

It's not a mistake, it's an attitude. You must be fully aware that you're plagiarizing other's work, it can't be a coincidence.
 

Turnabout Sisters

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,363
Really makes you wonder how much undiscovered games journalism plagiarism is out there. It's very possible that if it had been mixed with just one other source or rearranged just a little more thoroughly, it might have escaped notice or considered coincidence.

Also, I always thought the left guy was the original. Right guy actually made it is blowing my mind.
 

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My snarky take away sure

What the IGN reviewer did was terrible and he should lose his job over it. My point was more that this hasn't blown up nearly as much outside of resetera in places I'd expect to see a thread condemning it. We've seen far less get far more people upset and one has to wonder why that is.

The news broke late last night and it took a while. This is growing...
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,494
Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage

It's all a conspiracy.

Pack it up, people.
 

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Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage

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Bufbaf

Don't F5!
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Oct 25, 2017
12,730
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Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage
So this is a fabricated artificially planned outrage constructed by who, IGN? The author? The Youtuber? To benefit.. everyone, including the competition and.. podcasts and.. what?

Yeah you might want to rethink that.
 

Narasumas

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Nov 27, 2017
952
Melbourne, Florida
Yes. As someone who work in digital content industry, plagiarism is a huge deal.

It's not a mistake, it's an attitude. You must be fully aware that you're plagiarizing other's work, it can't be a coincidence.
Correct, this prob wasn't the first time. It's def an attitude, especially if he thought he could do it working for a GAMING JOURNALISM OUTLET. I mean, this wasn't a high school homework assignment.
 

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I don't mean literally a rewrite, I mean that most mainstream game reviews of games like Dead Cells which are traditionally polished and likeable a la God of War or Red Dead Redemption are *essentially* rewrites because mainstream game review outlets have a general formula, structure, cadence, and style of writing reviews which are extremely coded and similar to each other. Yes, the IGN review is *literally* plagiarized, but often when an assortment of reviews come out from mainstream outlets all at once, it often appears as if a central hivemind devised one single thesis and structure of communicating that thesis and then doled out rewrites to individual reviewers. Obviously there are exceptions to this, but if you were to tell me that Felip Miucin didn't *actually* plagiarize his review I wouldn't be surprised; there is nothing particularly insightful about either his or Boomstick's reviews. This often has to do with a deep homegeneity in the types and backgrounds of people who write these things.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
I hope you never make a mistake in your job or in your life. Yes, it seems he made a bad decision, but who doesnt? If this was a recurrent behavior thats another thing entirely, but unless thats the case, I dont see why we have to demand IGN to fire Filip.
Era's "we all make mistakes, haven't you ever made a mistake" attitude is getting weirder. Dude, this is a competitive field and people are hungry for jobs in this industry. IGN is the biggest outlet. You know how many people would kill to be in his shoes. Yes, people mistakes, this isn't one you get to make once. If you don't see that, then learn.


This is like people that got mad that 343 didn't hire that dude after they found his recent forum posts talking shit about how none of them deserved their jobs. "But everyone makes mistakes", right? FOH.

There are so many people working their asses off doing game coverage on their own while working full time jobs hope to get the attention of an outlet like IGN.
 
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Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage
This has to be the worst thing I've read in a thread that's literally about stealing someone else's work wholesale and trying to pass it off as your own. Fucking Trump and GamerGate really did irrevocable damage to the integrity of information.
 

Natalie M.

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May 8, 2018
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Geez, this is really blatant. What was he thinking? Embarrassing and totally unnecessary. Why? I don't understand how he could have this on his conscious and seemingly assume it would go unnoticed.

I don't wish anyone to lose their job, but this is just really low.
 

merchantdude

Member
Oct 29, 2017
276
Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage

Wake up sheeple.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I don't mean literally a rewrite, I mean that most mainstream game reviews of games like Dead Cells which are traditionally polished and likeable a la God of War or Red Dead Redemption are *essentially* rewrites because mainstream game review outlets have a general formula, structure, cadence, and style of writing reviews which are extremely coded and similar to each other. Yes, the IGN review is *literally* plagiarized, but often when an assortment of reviews come out from mainstream outlets all at once, it often appears as if a central hivemind devised one single thesis and structure of communicating that thesis and then doled out rewrites to individual reviewers. Obviously there are exceptions to this, but if you were to tell me that Felip Miucin didn't *actually* plagiarize his review I wouldn't be surprised; there is nothing particularly insightful about either his or Boomstick's reviews. This often has to do with a deep homegeneity in the types and backgrounds of people who write these things.

Between this post and the previous conspiracy rant, we're really sticking it up to Big News, eh?

Wake up, #sheeple!
 

Boiled Goose

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Nov 2, 2017
9,999
no doubt about it for me. it's straight up plagiarism. i don't like to call for people to get fired but why would you want someone like this to work for you? I think IGN should fire him but that's up to them to decide after their investigation.

Plagiarism is not just stealing. It's also likely indicative of you not doing the work you're being paid to do.
 

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Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage

What?
 

Praxis

Sausage Tycoon
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,282
UK
Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage


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Bunta

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
2,273
Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage
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Gestault

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Oct 26, 2017
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You can tell if an outlet is worth their salt by how they respond to verifiable plagiarism accusations. More or less, if they don't fire the staffer in question (in an overt, intentional case), there's something deeply wrong at that outlet. Any writer/editor should understand this, any reporter should understand this, and any publisher should begrudgingly know this (even when it disrupts operations).

In my program, you would fail the assignment, most likely be flunked for the entire course, and in some cases, be expelled for ANY verifiable instance of plagiarism. It's a huge deal.

Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage

This is misguided rubbish.
 
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Deleted member 5491

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Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage

I don't mean literally a rewrite, I mean that most mainstream game reviews of games like Dead Cells which are traditionally polished and likeable a la God of War or Red Dead Redemption are *essentially* rewrites because mainstream game review outlets have a general formula, structure, cadence, and style of writing reviews which are extremely coded and similar to each other. Yes, the IGN review is *literally* plagiarized, but often when an assortment of reviews come out from mainstream outlets all at once, it often appears as if a central hivemind devised one single thesis and structure of communicating that thesis and then doled out rewrites to individual reviewers. Obviously there are exceptions to this, but if you were to tell me that Felip Miucin didn't *actually* plagiarize his review I wouldn't be surprised; there is nothing particularly insightful about either his or Boomstick's reviews. This often has to do with a deep homegeneity in the types and backgrounds of people who write these things.
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Vitor

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Oct 30, 2017
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He's not for me when it comes to that podcast. I miss Jose. I stopped listening a few weeks after Filip joined because he didn't feel genuine to me. He very well could be -- I don't know him. Just my experience. Still love Peer.
Yeah, I stopped listening too and I miss it so much. I've tried other Nintendo podcasts, but there's nothing like old NVC out there right now
 

The Shape

Member
Nov 7, 2017
5,027
Brazil
This thread is... really weird. In writing (not even just journalism), plagiarism is pretty much the worst thing you can do. Even in school where you're just writing some random paper that no one but the teacher will ever read or care about, if you're caught plagiarizing, you are at the very least going to get a stern talking to and an F on whatever the paper was. Likely more than that, depending on what the paper was.

At a professional level, it's simply the end.

Yes, it's gross that GG loves this because they love any attack on games journalism, but in this case they're completely irrelevant. Still, there are definitely some... gross posts in this thread, and even a tweet posted that was a response to one of the GG... coordinators (in case you thought they weren't going to go in on it).

At my University, you can easily get expelled for plagiarism. A teacher of mine once told us a student of his plagiarized some Java code and it turned into some ugly mess. They state the consequences of plagiarism in our very first semester and they take it very seriously.
 

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I don't mean literally a rewrite, I mean that most mainstream game reviews of games like Dead Cells which are traditionally polished and likeable a la God of War or Red Dead Redemption are *essentially* rewrites because mainstream game review outlets have a general formula, structure, cadence, and style of writing reviews which are extremely coded and similar to each other. Yes, the IGN review is *literally* plagiarized, but often when an assortment of reviews come out from mainstream outlets all at once, it often appears as if a central hivemind devised one single thesis and structure of communicating that thesis and then doled out rewrites to individual reviewers. Obviously there are exceptions to this, but if you were to tell me that Felip Miucin didn't *actually* plagiarize his review I wouldn't be surprised; there is nothing particularly insightful about either his or Boomstick's reviews. This often has to do with a deep homegeneity in the types and backgrounds of people who write these things.

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"essentially just rewrites"

what a load of utter nonsense
 

~Fake

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I just saw this today. Embarrassing situation I must say.

edit: Are people defending this? Really?
 
Jan 29, 2018
9,454
I don't see how IGN can keep him on and not look bad. Dude's credibility is shot; he's worthless to them as a reviewer now.
 

Whompa

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
4,254
Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage


THE PERFECT CRIME! I NEED SCISSORS! 61!
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,494
If you think what I said is that there is some big conspiracy going on, you didn't actually read what I said lol.

Well, if "Yes, the IGN review is *literally* plagiarized, but often when an assortment of reviews come out from mainstream outlets all at once, it often appears as if a central hivemind devised one single thesis and structure of communicating that thesis and then doled out rewrites to individual reviewers. Obviously there are exceptions to this, but if you were to tell me that Felip Miucin didn't *actually* plagiarize his review I wouldn't be surprised; there is nothing particularly insightful about either his or Boomstick's reviews. This often has to do with a deep homegeneity in the types and backgrounds of people who write these things" doesn't sound like a conspiracy theory about "the gaming media" spoonfeeding audiences what they should think... please do explain.
 

Omerta

Member
Oct 28, 2017
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I'm in a position in which a team of people report to me..

Ive been involved (unfortunately) in countless HR investigations and terminations.

Literally the first thing in the decision tree you need to work out is "was this a decision" or did the person involved make a mistake?

I certainly wouldn't be calling for blood right off the bat but if FM intentionally plagiarised another article then his position at IGN is untenable and he should be let go.
 
Oct 27, 2017
7,466
This thread is BRAZY! Are people seriously expecting someone's life to be destroyed over making a mistake in a VIDEOGAME review? This is his first review, it's natural that he'd make a misstep in it as all beginners do. I hope IGN don't listen to the pitchfork mafia and do the responsible thing which is simply giving him a warning and helping him with his future reviews.
A mistake is spelling paid as payed. Plagiarism isn't a mistake. It's a deliberate act.
 

PepsimanVsJoe

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Oct 26, 2017
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I don't mean literally a rewrite, I mean that most mainstream game reviews of games like Dead Cells which are traditionally polished and likeable a la God of War or Red Dead Redemption are *essentially* rewrites because mainstream game review outlets have a general formula, structure, cadence, and style of writing reviews which are extremely coded and similar to each other. Yes, the IGN review is *literally* plagiarized, but often when an assortment of reviews come out from mainstream outlets all at once, it often appears as if a central hivemind devised one single thesis and structure of communicating that thesis and then doled out rewrites to individual reviewers. Obviously there are exceptions to this, but if you were to tell me that Felip Miucin didn't *actually* plagiarize his review I wouldn't be surprised; there is nothing particularly insightful about either his or Boomstick's reviews. This often has to do with a deep homegeneity in the types and backgrounds of people who write these things.
If you're that concerned about the quality of game reviews, maybe you should start writing.
 

FUNKNOWN iXi

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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
9,674
Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage
Hey, I too saw this on InfoWars' YouTube channel just a few minutes ago.
 
Oct 27, 2017
11,539
Bandung Indonesia
Great case of how media manipulation is working
Everyone wins
The small channel huge bump (revenue)
Ign gets an amazing amount of coverage yeah it's negative from a vocal minority big deal they dominate video traffic for advertisers by showing how much it's talked about online
You all now know Fillip now let the apology tour begin it's a huge deal for him to be the culprit he will get destroyed then forgiven within a set time
Oh guess who how else benefits
Gaming press
Podcasts
Dead cells huge press for them hell they might get picked up outside games media for mainstream content like fortnite does
They can't buy this attention only someone like rockstar games does this right
Finally the gaming message boards
Congratulations your outrage is exactly what they seek
So spread the story it's what they truly want
Everyone will be very dissapointed but still they all will profit except the outrage

I swear some of you people are getting off from the feeling of being a contrarian.
 

stryke

Member
Oct 28, 2017
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I'm in a position in which a team of people report to me..

Ive been involved (unfortunately) in countless HR investigations and terminations.

Literally the first thing in the decision tree you need to work out is "was this a decision" or did the person involved make a mistake?

I certainly wouldn't be calling for blood right off the bat but if FM intentionally plagiarised another article then his position at IGN is untenable and he should be let go.

How do you 'unintentionally' plagiarise another article?
 
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