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BernardoOne

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This is a bullshit excuse. Code was provided for Dead Cells at least three weeks ago. There was no crunch to get it done.

On the same note though, embargo for reviews was yesterday...what's this other guy doing putting his up almost two weeks early?
Embargos only affect people that get their review code from the developers. Dude probably bought the game himself so he's not beholden to any embargo. That or he got the key from the Devs but from back at the beginning of the Early Access. I've gotten one myself from the Devs back then and there was no embargo agreement.
 

Keyouta

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Think you could have changed it up but it's almost word-for-word. Down to the same time too. Incredible. Hopefully he's let go.
 

Narasumas

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To be totally fair, that's how all of IGN's podcasts are lately. Beyond and Unlocked also have to stick to a fairly strict one-hour timeframe, and it shows.
Yeah, you're right...but I think the quality is suffering as a result. I've been enjoying other podcast outlets much more these past months...and it used to be that the IGN content was what I looked forward to most. They are going downhill (this Filip incident, Marty leaving under weird pretenses, Allanah leaving, etc). Also, the new staff just doesnt have what the older folks had in terms of charisma.
 

Ohhhht

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If you haven't already, you should all subscribe to the original reviewer's YouTube account. Hook that dude up!!!!
 

FrostyLemon

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Oct 28, 2017
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My snarky take away sure

What the IGN reviewer did was terrible and he should lose his job over it. My point was more that this hasn't blown up nearly as much outside of resetera in places I'd expect to see a thread condemning it. We've seen far less get far more people upset and one has to wonder why that is.

I disagree, It's the top story on the Nintendo Switch Reddit and if you type in Dead Cells into Google 2/3 stories are covering this scandal. I think IGN will fire him and deservedly so.
 
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Cant speak for other commentors, but while I think he definitely should be fired, I think the moral outrage is a bit much (like it is in so many threads). The implication seems to be that filip was sat on his lazy ass rubbing his hands with glee saying to himself 'how can I get away with doing less work and completely shafting some poor youtuber now that I'm so big and successful', and we should bring back the stocks to give him the proper public shaming he deserves.

I think the reality is probably more nuanced. He could be under some enormous pressures we dont know about, or there is some other reason that doesnt excuse the theft but makes it more easy to understand? Like who would he risk such a great job if there weren't some more serious reason.

Might not be true, he might just be a dick. But we dont know and although its right to criticize the man I don't think baying for his blood is particularly called for.
Plagiarism is like the cardinal sin of any professional writing situation. You basically become untouchable if you get caught and it's so easy to get caught when you have the collective oversight of the internet involved.

It's basically the most foolish nuclear option. He could have delayed the review if he was under so much pressure if we follow along your made up scenario. That's still better than stealing from someone else's content.
 

Wamb0wneD

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Oct 26, 2017
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I hope you never make a mistake in your job or in your life. Yes, it seems he made a bad decision, but who doesnt? If this was a recurrent behavior thats another thing entirely, but unless thats the case, I dont see why we have to demand IGN to fire Filip.
Because plagiarism isn't making a bad decision. In a job where reputation is everything, throwing that reputation away is everything. You have never seen a journalist of any kind getting caught plagiarising and then given the chance to do it multiple times after in the same job. Recurrent behaviour my ass lol.
 

merchantdude

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If you are a journalist and you choose to sell your integrity and start plagiarizing at least edit the text a bit. This is blatant af lol
 

Hey Please

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This thread is BRAZY! Are people seriously expecting someone's life to be destroyed over making a mistake in a VIDEOGAME review? This is his first review, it's natural that he'd make a misstep in it as all beginners do. I hope IGN don't listen to the pitchfork mafia and do the responsible thing which is simply giving him a warning and helping him with his future reviews.

It always baffles me how people think that there should not be consequences for ethics violations in journalism based in video games because it is "video game". It is as if some people are still stuck in the 1970s and think it is "kids' stuff" and is utterly inconsiderate of what the medium has achieved and what they are monetarily and culturally worth today.
 

Khrol

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What a damn idiot. Kinda funny that he stole content from the very place that's making mainstream media more and more irrelevant every day though.
 

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Cant speak for other commentors, but while I think he definitely should be fired, I think the moral outrage is a bit much (like it is in so many threads). The implication seems to be that filip was sat on his lazy ass rubbing his hands with glee saying to himself 'how can I get away with doing less work and completely shafting some poor youtuber now that I'm so big and successful', and we should bring back the stocks to give him the proper public shaming he deserves.

I think the reality is probably more nuanced. He could be under some enormous pressures we dont know about, or there is some other reason that doesnt excuse the theft but makes it more easy to understand? Like who would he risk such a great job if there weren't some more serious reason.

Might not be true, he might just be a dick. But we dont know and although its right to criticize the man I don't think baying for his blood is particularly called for.

Plagiarism in any case is unacceptable. Doesn't matter his reason for it.
 

Lackless

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Why are people acting like an IGN editor is a full-time job? I think a lot of people are overestimating how much these editors make. He definitely has another job that's his main source of revenue.

With that said, IGN should stop working with him. Not only becuase he plagiarized, but also becuase whatever he reviews now will be the butt of a joke. He has no more use for the site.
 

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This thread is BRAZY! Are people seriously expecting someone's life to be destroyed over making a mistake in a VIDEOGAME review? This is his first review, it's natural that he'd make a misstep in it as all beginners do. I hope IGN don't listen to the pitchfork mafia and do the responsible thing which is simply giving him a warning and helping him with his future reviews.

In journalism if you plagiarize an entire article you lose your job.

It's beyond unethical, and people who usually have a history of doing it which is only found later during investigations.
 

CaviarMeths

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Oct 25, 2017
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Since like 50 people in this thread have used the word "journalism," I feel it should be pointed out that a video game review is not journalism. Not that it makes a difference when it comes to appropriate punitive action for plagiarism.
 
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Why are people acting like an IGN editor is a full-time job? I think a lot of people are overestimating how much these editors make. He definitely has another job that's his main source of revenue.

With that said, IGN should stop working with him. Not only becuase he plagiarized, but also becuase whatever he reviews now will be the butt of a joke. He has no more use for the site.

Um, no? What are you talking about? That's definitely a full-time job.
 

Dark1x

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Why are people acting like an IGN editor is a full-time job? I think a lot of people are overestimating how much these editors make. He definitely has another job that's his main source of revenue.
What? You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

I know the work I'm doing now requires dramatically more time investment than all my years doing programming and IT work (which I did for more than a decade prior). Do you really think the workload is so low for this stuff?

I'm often working 6 to 7 days a week just to keep up and often 10-12 hours a day during the busy times. I just did that last week, actually, again.
 

shaneo632

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As someone who writes for a living and has seen several scandals like this before I do feel a certain degree of sympathy for the guy, even if it was an insanely dumb thing to do and he's probably torpedoed his career for at least the next 5 years, and he'll need to work his ass off in the (possibly unpaid) doldrums to fix his rep.

The main problem seems to be the same among people I've spoken to about it; tight deadlines with a focus on being the first past the finish line, a ridiculous amount of pressure from higher-ups who don't understand or care how long something takes and a lack of compensation for time spent on said task (especially in games journalism where a lot of outlets basically won't pay you to play the game because it's "fun").

In previous jobs I've completed tasks fast and my editors have basically rubbed their hands and assumed I can do 25% more work next week. It gets very dehumanising and hard to say no when you're in a spot 1000s of people would kill for.

Again, trying to pull this sort of thing at IGN of all places is just mind-boggling, but I can appreciate how insane levels of stress and anxiety about your job can lead you to make a very irrational decision.
 

Nightfall

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I don't get the people defending him. This is a pretty clear case.
The wording is almost 1:1 the same and even the order and timestamps in the video match up.

There's nothing to defend. He should have to resign. His journalistic integrity is gone and IGN wouldn't look that good if they'd just try to bury it.
 

Wamb0wneD

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Plagiarism isn't just "a mistake". Plagiarism is the worst bullshit someone in his position can pull.

You can all argue in circles if you want, but he'll need IGN to be extra benevolent to not terminate him.
And if they don't terminate his position, how can I trust an outlet that doesn't give a shit about their people plagiarising others.
 

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Why are people acting like an IGN editor is a full-time job? I think a lot of people are overestimating how much these editors make. He definitely has another job that's his main source of revenue.

With that said, IGN should stop working with him. Not only becuase he plagiarized, but also becuase whatever he reviews now will be the butt of a joke. He has no more use for the site.

What?

He's not just a review editor for videogames but also accessories and other stuffs, possibly also guides if he does that, he's the person they send at nintendo events for the press, and he also has to manage the weekly podcast.

Pretty sure that's a full time job.
 

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I used to always think that the left guy made the thing, and the right guy was like "no, now I made this", but I realise the right guy actually did make it. I think the other reading is funnier though.
 

Vesper

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I'm convinced the people downplaying this never went to college or even high school and took an english class. Shit is not a joke.
 

ASleepingMonkey

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Why are people acting like an IGN editor is a full-time job? I think a lot of people are overestimating how much these editors make. He definitely has another job that's his main source of revenue.

With that said, IGN should stop working with him. Not only becuase he plagiarized, but also becuase whatever he reviews now will be the butt of a joke. He has no more use for the site.
what
 

Apathy

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How lazy and stupid do you have to be to plagiarize a fucking game review on ign of all places.
 

Nitpicker_Red

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Top three informative posts in the thread for posts that come up frequently:

Transcript of the compared parts for people that don't look at the comparative video:
If you need some written examples, the author provided some in the YT video description. I have copied them directly for your convenience. I changed "MYSELF" to "BOOMSTICK GAMING" to make it easier to follow. Please don't accuse me of plagiarism:

BOOMSTICK GAMING: Dead Cells takes the progression of a metroidvania and integrates it into this procedurally generated action rogue lite…
FILIP MIUCIN: It takes the progression system of a metroidvania and transforms it into a procedurally generated action rogue lite…

BOOMSTICK GAMING: In Dead Cells you will need to kill your way through a labyrinth of levels all punctuated by boss encounters that starts off quite linear but the more you play the more routes and game mechanics open up to you. You might not be able to make it to the final boss on your current run but if you can manage to salvage some blueprints for some new gear or better yet, a ability altering rune, it makes it all worth your while….
FILIP MIUCIN: In Dead Cells you fight your way through a ever changing labyrinth of levels with branching paths, your almost guaranteed not to make it all the way through on every run, but as your efforts lead you to blueprints that unlocked new gear, it makes it all worth your while….

BOOMSTICK GAMING: In most games of this genres your coolest skills and spells are often set to stricky long recharge timers or a limited mana system but in Dead Cells, your abilities have incredibly quick recharges and allow you to seamlessly integrate these gadgets in normal encounters and doesn't make you feel penalized for using your cool stuff. This combat system is fast, fluid, responsive and one of the most rewarding representation of 2d combat of the entire genre.
FILIP MIUCIN: Most games limit your most useful skills with long cool down timers or a limited mana system but Dead Cells encourages you to use your deadliest gadgets with a fast recharge timer. It never punishes you using your best tactics. Fights are fast, fluid, responsive and hands down one of the most gratifying representations of video combat iv ever experienced.

BOOMSTICK GAMING: Dead Cells only falters slightly with some repetition setting in, especially on the early areas and during longer play sessions. The enemy designs here are interesting and fun to fight but in the first level alone you will probably have killed the same enemy about 50 times already and that same enemy will be used throughout various levels.
FILIP MIUCIN : Dead Cells does falter slightly with some repetition but its only felt in its earlier areas and during extended play sessions. While early level enemies are a good introduction and make for fun and interesting fights early on, you can only kill so many zombies before it starts feeling a little stale.

BOOMSTICK GAMING: Dead Cells figures out and intriguing way to have your rogue lite and metroidvania experience all in one by focusing on your failures and urging you to try something new the next time.
FILIP MIUCIN: Dead Cells strikes a perfect and engaging balance between the metroidvania and rogue lite experiences by focusing on your failures and urging you to experiment when you do fail.


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If IGN doesn't come down hard on this, something is very wrong.
Link to the press kit for the "both might be based on the press kit" scepticals:
The press kit is publically available

http://motion-twin.com/presskit/81

Reads nothing like these reviews.
For the "he didn't even play the game" people:
I'm quite confident he played it. IGN did a live stream of the game yesterday and I believe Filip was the one playing, and he definitely looked like he knew what he was doing.

He clearly plagiarized the review, but I don't think we need to jump to conclusions that he doesn't even want to play games either. lol

Dude probably had a rough weekend and thought this was the easiest way to meet his deadline while sounding good. It was a well worded review.
 

Mesoian

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Why are people acting like an IGN editor is a full-time job? I think a lot of people are overestimating how much these editors make. He definitely has another job that's his main source of revenue.

With that said, IGN should stop working with him. Not only becuase he plagiarized, but also becuase whatever he reviews now will be the butt of a joke. He has no more use for the site.
LOL you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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I don't get the people defending him. This is a pretty clear case.
The wording is almost 1:1 the same and even the order and timestamps in the video match up.

There's nothing to defend. He should have to resign. His journalistic integrity is gone and IGN wouldn't look that good if they'd just try to bury it.

They could always change what he does to something behind the scenes that doesn't involve writing
 

merchantdude

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This thread is BRAZY! Are people seriously expecting someone's life to be destroyed over making a mistake in a VIDEOGAME review? This is his first review, it's natural that he'd make a misstep in it as all beginners do. I hope IGN don't listen to the pitchfork mafia and do the responsible thing which is simply giving him a warning and helping him with his future reviews.

In journalism plagiarizing a whole article/review isn't just a mistake. It's often a career ending mistake.
 

Proteus

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Why are people acting like an IGN editor is a full-time job? I think a lot of people are overestimating how much these editors make. He definitely has another job that's his main source of revenue.

With that said, IGN should stop working with him. Not only becuase he plagiarized, but also becuase whatever he reviews now will be the butt of a joke. He has no more use for the site.
IGN Editor is a full time job. I freelanced for IGN for years. The editors I dealt with were full time, salaried, positions.

I agree though, there is no room for plagiarism.
 

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What? You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

I know the work I'm doing now requires dramatically more time investment than all my years doing programming and IT work (which I did for more than a decade prior). Do you really think the workload is so low for this stuff?

I'm often working 6 to 7 days a week just to keep up and often 10-12 hours a day during the busy times. I just did that last week, actually, again.

As a fellow content producer, I'm frankly baffled at the quality and amount of content you create John - I just finished watching your DF Retro on water simulation through the years and was really impressed with the depth of research, quality of writing and overall production.
 

Aprikurt

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The thing is, plagiarism is so unbelievably easy to catch out these days. I don't know what the thought process going into this was really.
 

1000% H

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I used to always think that the left guy made the thing, and the right guy was like "no, now I made this", but I realise the right guy actually did make it. I think the other reading is funnier though.
Holy shit, this is the first time I ever even considered that the right guy made it.
 

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Not-so-subtle way of dodging blame.
If what you're suggesting is that the editor who edited the writer's review should have had to look at every single YouTube review of Dead Cells before IGN's review went live just in case of plagiarism: you do not understand what you are saying or how editorial works. This is completely on the writer, though it would seem that both the IGN review and the YouTuber's review were just rewrites of a press release.
 

henlo_birb

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Dec 15, 2017
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I like him on NVC Podcast. He seems like a nice, well-rounded guy.

This incident is coming off as a surprise to me.
He's not for me when it comes to that podcast. I miss Jose. I stopped listening a few weeks after Filip joined because he didn't feel genuine to me. He very well could be -- I don't know him. Just my experience. Still love Peer.
 
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