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Planet at risk of heading towards irreversible 'hothouse' conditions, new report says
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I wish they would sue the fuck out of all the people responsible for suppressing the science and knowledge about this. scientists knew about this way back but petrol comapnies kept them quiet. fuck all of them. take the billions that they made away and put them to good use
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No, the world does not have too many people. There are, however, too many people living a western lifestyle. We would be absolutely fine with 7 billion people if we all lived like some Germanic farmer from 300 bc.
This is how i comfort myself. Yes, we will kill pretty much all living things on this planet, but Earth has proved before that it can recover from it. Sucks for all the species living now, but new ones will rise in a few million years.
Capitalism is a hell of a system, making it possible to do all kinds of heinous shit and shifting any and all blame on faceless entities.
The final solution to the fermi paradox: Species are too greedy to sustain themselves and inevitably cannibalize their own living conditions to the point outreach in space stops being feasible. And then they die out, eventually.
It was hot af the last 4 summers here. Guess it depends on where you live in Europe :)
Also it's getting colder every winter too.
I've being trying to do my bit to fight against Global Warming, recycling using the car less and less and eating more poultry. But unless there is a shift in opinion it equates to very little on my part.
I hope we aren't past the point of no return but we need real political leaders to help drive forward renewables, recycling and carbon capture systems to save the planet.
I hope we aren't past the point of no return but we need real political leaders to help drive forward renewables, recycling and carbon capture systems to save the planet.
I was born here so I didn't have too much of a choice. If I can ever get a good job out of state I'll be gone. I hate the heat, and summer in general. I mean, Its 1:26AM and its 92°F outside my house.
Unless the world nations combine to face this head on, actually invest in scientific and make their goal to contain if not reverse it then nothing will happen, on an individual level nothing significant can be done. And the biggest problem is that you got the president of the USA actually believing that this is all a hoax aimed at the American economy.
You scroll down to that video's comments and there's an army of degenerates saying climate change is a hoax.
This here is the real problem.
Yes, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking of, thanks for sharing the article, reading it right now and it's superinteresting.
Unfortunately we have the hyper-rich psychopathic assholes perpetuating this shit for the sake of seeing numbers go up. They don't give a shit about climate change because they'll either be dead or they'll just throw money to solve local issues. This is combined with the extreme ignorance of climate change deniers refusing to walk outside and deal with some of the record high temperatures in a lot of areas or the worsening hurricanes.
As an aside every time I see a wildfire take out some of their mansions I get a tinge of glee.
As an aside every time I see a wildfire take out some of their mansions I get a tinge of glee.
Good posts.
The amount of people who claim to be concerned about about climate change, but won't give up (or even eat less) meat because "it just tastes too good", "it won't make a difference anyway", or "you can't get the nutrition you need from vegetarian/vegan diet" never fails to make me roll me roll my eyes. There's so much evidence pointing to the idea thatavoiding meat and dairy is the biggest way in which an individual can make a difference, but the majority of people would rather preach about the trendy bans on straws over Facebook and be satisfied that they've done their part. I can guarantee you wouldn't see those same people eating less or no seafood, despite the fact thatmost plastic pollution in our oceans is actually caused by the fishing nets used to capture the fish.
Eating meat really sucks for the planet, Era, and I know we can do a lot better. Please, cut down your intake, and be environmentally conscious in more meaningful ways. There's lots of good info and further reading in the first article I linked to in the paragraph above, and if you need any further help, I know we have a community here somewhere for it! Love u guys ok. Let's all help save the planet together.
edit: ALSO I know there's also a lot of other ways that you can reduce your footprint and be more eco-friendly, and that's really cool and good if you do some of those things already! But, reducing meat consumption is a pretty significant way you can contribute, and I think way too many people just totally scoff at the idea or make fun of it, so sorry if I'm coming off as somewhat frustrated.
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If you want to help the climate the biggest thing you can do is not stop eating meat. It's not having children.
Sad to say but china's one child policy is probably something that should have been mandated worldwide to stem the growth of humanity and their impact on the climate.
Sad to say but china's one child policy is probably something that should have been mandated worldwide to stem the growth of humanity and their impact on the climate.
Nah. Those people are not the main problem here. Unfettered capitalism is.
America has already adopted the wry man for himself model of global governance, it's not long before the rest of the world does as well.
Oh for sure you'll see closed borders and conflicts over diminishing resources that will make ww2 look like a kindergarden spat.
This - among other topics - makes me speechless with rage. It's unnecessary and it could (perhaps still can) be avoided but it requires effort and change that too many aren't willing to make.
We're either going to survive as a species by learning from some very tough incoming knocks or we're not going to make it.
Either way Earth abides.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Earth-Abid...8&qid=1533632459&sr=8-1&keywords=earth+abides
We're either going to survive as a species by learning from some very tough incoming knocks or we're not going to make it.
Either way Earth abides.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Earth-Abid...8&qid=1533632459&sr=8-1&keywords=earth+abides
Yeah it really just makes you wonder if it's worth living. I see less and less point to it everyday with this kind of stuff coming out.
We won't stop it, we won't even try, especially with the rise of right-wing fascists across the world.
I don't know what that has to do with anything, many leftist/labor parties are opposing climate friendly policies because they have direct cost for workers and the unemployed.
Go talk to someone if this is your reaction to the news. Genuinely.
this sounds more like depression than concern over climate change. One way or another the earth will cease to be hospitable for life, that doesn't mean it's not worth living - you just have to create or find that meaning yourself. It's not like this is the first time in history humans are facing harsh times, difference being that things on average are better now than ever before.
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Also people, please remember this is a thing:
Avoiding meat and dairy is 'single biggest way' to reduce your impact on Earth
And it's like a scientific consensus, not a vegan agenda thing.
Avoiding meat and dairy is 'single biggest way' to reduce your impact on Earth
And it's like a scientific consensus, not a vegan agenda thing.
I've said it before, but at this point we absolutely need to do massive geo-engineering and terraforming. Put sun blocker on the stratosphere? Do it! Massive afforestation on deserts? Do it, now now now! Huge scale desalination? Of course, we need to use that renewable energy somehow anyway! Make oil out of CO2? Subsidize this tech!
We always react way too late, but it's better to react too late than not at all.
We always react way too late, but it's better to react too late than not at all.
Yup. On our second year of minimizing beef (and red meats in general) from our household's diet. We're down to once a month. The rest is veggies and chicken. Difficult to avoid dairy altogether though, but at this point I think I have to learn to like soy.
It's always the thing you don't see coming, and was always right there. In your face.
I love my children more than anything but this makes me feel absolutely dreadful for having them.
I love my children more than anything but this makes me feel absolutely dreadful for having them.
In total bodycount for sure but we'll be sitting pretty in Fortress Europe, lorded over by actual neofascists like Salvini.
Love this vid. Holy shit at the dumbasses in the comment section. We're doomed.
I wonder where the vegan hatred comes from, anyway.
Oh. I actually don't wonder, I know where it's from: The right. Sponsored by the same people bashing climate change science and any meaningful social progress. But if one has to change one's own life, that ends, better mock those scary vegans instead, easier than changing.
On personal level, the biggest way is to not have kids. A friend of mine avoids flights and meat, but have two kids. I could fly with the Airbus 320 from my town to London back and forth four times every week till I die, and my impact is still significantly less than his.
It's better to push the change on political level instead. Each successfully implemented regulatory framework could save billions of tons of CO2.
Admittedly many vegans, including some of my very closest friends, are very absolutist about it. Others bear their extreme belief as a standard, which can also be off-putting.
But yes, structurally? In America especially and culturally worldwide there's a massive business/industry incentive to keep people eating meat, and it's contributing significantly to the destruction of our habitat.
Pretty sure it's a given fact that having a kid is the worst thing for the environment, for your finances, etc etc etc. That has always been the case.
We need to keep pushing politics, but in your hand is the ability to affect the economy and thus global industries. The article I posted posits countless pieces of evidence stating that cutting out/reducing meat and dairy over the long term will have a huge impact.
If the meat/dairy industry ramps down production even a little, it'll more than make up for all those flights to/from London. IIRC the meat/dairy industry causes as much, or more, damage than all transportation systems worldwide.
Honestly it's horrific the scale of the damage. Fuel output, destroying the planet's lungs (i.e. rainforest - and more every year), methane output, used up land that could be put to other things, etc.
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Yeah the planet will be more than fine. It's having a cold and has to flush out the virus.
I won't have any kids, have drastically cut out meat, vote for climate responsible parties.
It's just that the majority responsible doesn't really care that much.
Yeah yeah, kick the elite. It's the favorite song of people who don't really wanna make any effort thmselves. Supply and demand. It's a real thing. The 1% will chase the profit. Period. Whether that comes from clean or dirty sources ain't that relevant. It's up to us, and like I said, straws are irrelevant, there are bigger issues. Like fishing nets being dumped in the oceans, klling marine life. Issus like vital rainforests being mowed down to make room for cattle feed plantations.
You can act like you have no power, but you do. Meat and dairy consumption is don, many places, and that is a trend that will continue. Renewable energy is gaining, things are happening, but "the powers that be" so to speak, won't do jack shit until they feel the prssure from the masses who actually provide said power.
People are selfish, I don't think that's debatable. They won't just dacrifice their own quality of life. But a bigger problem is ignorance. In any case, I think they way you lay the blame solely on the super rich is woefully naive, at best.
Making an effort yourself and kicking the elite aren't necessarily mutually exclusive :)
Alternatively, just adopt, it's what we're planning to do.
The other kid didn't ask to be born.
Depends how you define "the elite" since they got quite the kicking in America and Italy and now both countries are run by shitheads.
And what? No amount of talking makes this better
I don't know why it can't be both. I feel it is, and related to one another
The elite got a kicking in America? Where the fuck do you get that idea from? They're making more money than ever and the income disparity is greater than ever and those in power are more in the hand of the rich than ever.