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Fallout 76: Bethesda confirms to PC Gamer that it will not be on Steam at launch
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I guess this is because I game through Discord, not through Steam? Because I don't use Steam to gauge any of this stuff you've identified.
Even id games don't all use id Tech lmao. I'm looking at you Quake Champions.
Nothing charitable about it. It's just a good business decision. Game dev is ludicrously expensive, and cutting out the middle man is a very smart move. I don't see why we shouldn't be supporting moves like this to keep games viable at $60. Steam don't deserve to take such colossal cuts for games they don't make. If anything this should be a wake-up call for Valve to realize their platform isn't essential anymore, and they can't get away with gouging such huge cuts from devs if they want to stay relevant. Get mad at Steam if you want to get mad about this.
I didn't defend it, I just detailed the legal realities. It's not "held hostage."
You can argue that it's bad to lock it into Bethesda's launcher (and I actually don't disagree with that!), but to say it's held hostage is an exaggeration belied by reality.
Because there is LITERALLY NO GUARANTEE that this move keeps game developer and publishers from raising prices. Why is that difficult to understand?
I doooo. I really don't look at disc. Steam worked very well for this for a pretty long ass time.
Some of the biggest games on PC are not on steam and they do fine.
I do think it's easier for the majority with things like discord connecting all platforms.
My friends spend about equal time across 2-3 major clients. I swear at times despite our steam libraries we use steam as more a status and chat client while playing in other ecosystems lol.
I've largely ignored Origin but with EA pushing new services and the return of Madden I welcome additional options and innovative services.
As long as I can easily launch thru steam it doesn't bother me nearly as much as say having to do work arounds for MS store apps.
I do think it's easier for the majority with things like discord connecting all platforms.
My friends spend about equal time across 2-3 major clients. I swear at times despite our steam libraries we use steam as more a status and chat client while playing in other ecosystems lol.
I've largely ignored Origin but with EA pushing new services and the return of Madden I welcome additional options and innovative services.
As long as I can easily launch thru steam it doesn't bother me nearly as much as say having to do work arounds for MS store apps.
So Bethesda can cut down their costs even more if they go BethesdaNet exclusive all the way, right? So no Console versions, only the BethesdaNet version.
"B-but some people would never buy on PC"
Correct, and some people will never buy games outside of Steam.
I guess that's the difference between coming into PC gaming in 2018 and coming into it years ago, eh?
Whatever lets you sleep at night.
OT: Bethesda thinks that moving all their new titles to Beth net will help them with sales, but I highly doubt it.
Yeah this is the rather pathetic thing about the services for games on PC right now despite good competitors out there providing the bare minimum service. Nothing even comes close to Steam in terms of utility and features, and thankfully Steam is supportive enough to even support alternate launchers should you not care for Steam anyway.
Now this would be a colossally stupid mistake and honestly on par with most of Bethesda's marketing decisions this generation. They'll earn yet another sales L with Rage 2 for sure if they go this route.
What huge cuts?
You do realize that it's the literal industry standard, and that there is no platform anywhere else that gives as many benefits to devs for those 30%?
It's the scale of the thing. They can strong arm PC gamers onto their platform easily. Strong arming Console gamers into buying a PC is harder, and there are more console gamers than there are PC gamers anyways, so it's not a (massive) loss they're willing to eat.
You're right, my mind bridged that connection itself, sorry.
I'll agree that there is a lot of exaggeration, but it's because people are pissed. This sort of thing is becoming the norm now with every pub having their own stupid launcher.
Ubisoft is next.
There's no confirmation, but none of their announcements went up on Steam.
They'd have to get bought by a non-Japanese company first.
Not yet.
There's no confirmation, but none of their announcements went up on Steam.
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The Rage 2 Page on their website shows the same Generic PC logo with no mention of it on Steam so I'd argue that they might just be transitioning to leaving Steam altogether
Don't really have interest in this but I'm fine with games that choose not to launch on Steam. Bethesda needs to step their game up though as their launcher is one of the worst I've used.
You are gonna wish you had steam service when you want a refund in November because you spent 60$ on a buggy early access multiplayer only game.
(Which inherently seems to bring nothing to the table.)
Bethesda would never make a game like that. Everything they make is polished to a mirror sheen.
I'm just trying to understand why people are pissed, that's all. I jumped head long into PC gaming and don't see it and I'm trying to get that through questions and argument. My apologies if I came off untoward prior.
You would still need to have a new friends list for joining and inviting.
It is more likely though. That's just how trade works lol
Most importantly is that more profit goes to the game developers now, and not to Steam for doing nothing but still demanding a crazy 30%.
Will they lose 30% or more of their PC market though? Unlikely. Fallout is a big enough name to carry most consumers over. Just like Acti have done with Destiny 2 and Blops 4 to the Blizzard launcher.
It's a good move for the industry. Less money to Steam for no reason. More profits to the people who make the games. Especially important when so many AAA games need to sell millions just to break even these days.
Yep, for me its (launchers):
Steam
Xbox (1st party exclusives)
Uplay
Origin
Epic (fortnite)
Battlenet
GOG
soon to be:
bethesda.net
twitch (turning into a game delivery platform)
Convenience. It'll make more sense once you've reached hundreds of games and then realizing you're not having to remember hundreds of accounts and passwords and site logins and clients and directories and UIs.
tbf uplay is decent and ubisoft still sells their games on steam
I think it's literally their entire library going forward at this point.
If you just jumped into PC gaming in 2018, that's probably why. It's a pretty recent thing with all of these launchers and it's annoying for people that have been PC gaming for a long ass time. Again, no benefit to us just extra annoyances.
Only that platform is Windows, not Steam. Steam is a launcher with a store.
This is extremely ignorant on how, well, anything at all works.
Bethesda could sell Steam keys on their website and they would get 100% of that money.
They'll also for sure sell the game on Amazon and the likes, which take the exact same percentage cut.
If I remember correctly, Fallout 76 is a Genre that is more prominent and successful on PC and not a single-player focused RPG
It's incredible a lot of clueless, gullible people still think this is about "not paying that unfair 30%".
What do they think it's happening when they buy their Origin/Ubisoft serial key on a third party site? That they aren't taking their standard reseller cut in the process?
And nothing would stop Ubisoft or EA from attempting to sell Steam keys from their direct sites/social pages without giving a cut to Valve.
This is not about the 30%. This is about trying to put their foot into your door.
I'm a PC player first and foremost.
Except they could put that 30% into marketing. You and I have 0 idea how their company operates. It would be inaccurate to say they are putting that 30% exclusively towards game development costs.
Sure, but I have all the big launchers and games on them all and me and my friends usually organize through Discord and go from there. I don't see the launchers as platforms, I see them as any other app. Maybe that's it?
So one part is that the proliferation of launchers is annoying inherently. People don't want more apps that do the same thing. There's the friends list thing I mentioned. Steam also has a superior feature set to basically every other launcher out there. Nobody matches it. There's even little inconsequential shit. People like having their library in one place, they like to have their achievements through one service. For those who care, it all adds up, and when it comes down to it, when a publisher announces that they're launching their new launcher and their games will only be available through it from here on out, the ultimate result seems to be that everything sucks just a little bit more, with no obvious benefit to the user.
And that's not even all.
But like everything that likes/tries to make money, they'll make the most of it.
For movies/TV shows we got so many services too it ain't even funny, like somebody said, our little inconvenience is nothing to them.