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Segafreak

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Oct 27, 2017
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Software sales last quarter (ten of thousands):

3DS: 295
Switch: 1796
The active install base of the 3DS must be super tiny compared to what it was years ago.

If the total install base ever made sense past a platform's prime we'd still see games being published for the PS2 and DS.

People need to stop this nonsense, whining about people wanting more Switch games, crying about "elitism". Many consoles have sold out the ass and they didn't just keep making (big) games for them years into their successors lives just because of that. The Wii was pretty much killed off when the Wii U released, so why is it ridiculous that people are upset about big 3DS games being released nearly two years into the Switch's life? I understand that this particular game uses the DS quite a bit, and it's also not a third parties obligation to make sure the Switch has games, I'm more upset about first party games being released on it, especially when the advantage of the Switch was to have all of Nintendo's devs on one console.

Honestly it sounds like the usual whining you see every generation when some people refuse to upgrade to the next gen consoles and want everyone else to be held back because of them. The 3DS had some great games, but I am beyond done with that weak ass hardware, and honestly I'd never been a big fan of the second screen in the first place.

For real, the 3DS hardware felt like it belonged to a past era in 2012, I can't imagine using that thing in 2018. More Nintendo games on Switch means more reasons to buy the system, all these late ports and indies I played on PS4/PC do nothing for me.
 

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People seem to think that those of us completely dumbfounded as to why they are only releasing these games on 3ds want the game only on Switch. This isn't the case. Release on both. Don't even need to do any graphical enhancements. Just adopt the UI to use one screen and run the game at a native 1080p or whatever and call it a day.

Some of us don't like gaming on a screen that was out of date before the system even launched. It's not 2004 anymore.

This isn't elitism, it's technological progress. Get over it.
 

Sebastopa

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Apr 27, 2018
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Geez let the poor old system die well, why does it have to be abandoned before it's death? Let it go with a bang.

And I'm not even going to buy WarioWare because of the platform choice. I personally agree that they should at least Start a cross-platform transition period between 3DS and Switch. But a few more 3DS exclusives is not a completely horrid thing.
 
Nov 4, 2017
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I'm the opposite really. Playing WarioWare just reminds me how much I like the 3ds.

Its not like it takes up much space to have a 3ds lol. Its not hooked to my tv. I can easily have both systems.
 

ElBoxy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'd argue that none of the upcoming 3DS games qualify as major franchises, either. The Atlus games are spinoffs, and two of Nintendo's games are remakes, one of which already plays on the 3DS no less. WarioWare is the closest thing to a new and original installment, but even that's a greatest hits package for the series.
I'm just scared of the possibility of a new Advance Wars being a 3DS exclusive.
 
Nov 4, 2017
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I'm the opposite really. Playing WarioWare just reminds me how much I like the 3ds.

Its not like it takes up much space to have a 3ds lol. Its not hooked to my tv. I can easily have both systems.
 

RM8

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Half of the posts in this thread (including yours) could be answered by repeting the same old thing: nobody wants to take games away from the 3DS, just for them to come out on Switch as well. Can we finally understand this and maybe move on to a more interesting part of the debate?
If it was a possibility, Nintendo would do it (see: Fire Emblem Warriors, Captain Toad). That's not always the case, and that doesn't mean games like Wario Ware or Samus Returns shouldn't exist at all.
 

Jonneh

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That's certainly a broad statement. Warioware Gold uses features that the Switch either doesn't have or would struggle with. It was made for 3DS and that's where it's best off. Then there's developers who want to make cheaper projects, perhaps even reusing assets like they likely are in Persona Q2.

Some games are made for dual screens, some are touch intensive and others just aren't HD titles. It completely depends on the context and I disagree with the conclusion.
 

Kaeden

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I agree it's a horrible waste to keep supporting the 3ds all these years later even when their newest system is also a portable. I can't imagine playing something on that horrific low res screen in 2018 and people should be demanding better from nintendo.
I think you forgot the /s at the end of this.

Implying the Switch is just as portable as the Switch is pretty bad. Screen resolution will never be the only thing to be concerned about, yet too many people in here keep saying it. Many games work perfectly fine on the 3DS for what it is, but let's just point out one aspect and run with it.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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That's certainly a broad statement. Warioware Gold uses features that the Switch either doesn't have or would struggle with. It was made for 3DS and that's where it's best off. Then there's developers who want to make cheaper projects, perhaps even reusing assets like they likely are in Persona Q2.

Some games are made for dual screens, some are touch intensive and others just aren't HD titles. It completely depends on the context and I disagree with the conclusion.
Jonneh coming in clutch again with the right answer. Couldn't agree more
 

Chittagong

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Oct 26, 2017
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Here are the3ds Games now in same timeframe:

Hey Pikmin
Ever Oasis
Super Star Saga Remake
WarioWare Gold
Persona Q2
EOX
Ultra Sun/Moon
Samus Returns
Mario Party: Top 100


This is meant to be a reference point.

I would have loved every single one of them on Switch.

And I don't think it's platform elitism. I had an OG 3DS and still have a New 3DS, as well as a Switch. So I could play those games, if I could stand the 3DS.

But I can't (*). I hate the 3DS. I hate fact that the screen is so low res that it was embarrassing already in 2011, let alone seven years later. I hate the fact that the chip inside the device isn't what it was supposed to be because Nvdia shat the bed and they had to put a last moment last resort in, severely downgraded. I hate the fact that they planned the controls so poorly they created a splintered install base with single and dual analogue sticks. I hate the fact that the device is so cramped to play with adult hands. And I certainly would love to be able to switch to play on a big screen when I am around one.

I loved my DS, it was reasonably competent visually for the time and ground breaking with its controls. I detest the 3DS because it was a lazy and misdirected system. I love the Switch because Nintendo righted all the wrongs of 3DS with it.

I would be perfectly happy if games released both on 3DS and Switch, like Captain Toad or Sushi Striker, I was so happy when they were announced for both. But to deprive the Switch of masterpieces like Samus Returns that could have full well worked on Switch is just... sad.

I will still begrudgingly buy Persona Q2 on 3DS if that's the only option
 

ZeoVGM

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Oct 25, 2017
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I agree it's a horrible waste to keep supporting the 3ds all these years later even when their newest system is also a portable. I can't imagine playing something on that horrific low res screen in 2018 and people should be demanding better from nintendo.

You don't have to imagine it. You can just do it. I was playing a 3DS game last night and it's just fine. No reason to be so hyperbolic as if the screen res makes games unplayable.

The 3DS still sells incredibly well. The games still sell. This isn't difficult: the smart business move is to continue giving some support to it. The dumb business movie is to purposefully kill it off. There is no arguing this. If it were the better financial decision, Nintendo would kill 3DS and stop making games for it.

But even with that, they're not putting Super Mario Galaxy 3 on the 3DS so it would be nice if people would calm their asses about this stuff. They put a compilation of WarioWare minigames. They're doing remakes of Luigi's Mansion and an old Mario & Luigi game. This is stuff that doesn't require the budget and manpower of a brand new game, most of which will go to the Switch. They're using the engines that were already used on Dark Moon and the previous 3DS Mario & Luigi remake.

You don't just press a button and magically make the same game appear on Switch. No, making two versions would require a larger budget and more manpower.

These publishes -- whether it is Atlus or Nintendo -- looked at this from a business decision. They look at the budget needed and the weigh where it would be most beneficial for them to put the game. They're not putting these games on 3DS blindly. They know what they're doing.
 

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Oh well what can you do.
Seriously this 3DS -> Switch port begging is getting really annoying and in most cases is not realistic from a dev standpoint.
 

Hieroph

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Can't believe people want games for the PS4. We should all just be playing the 2600 still. Bloody elitists.

Here's the thing, PS4 has games. Lots and lots of them. Port begging for the PS4 would be ridiculous because it's getting so many games already and lots of exclusives without even needing to ask for them.
 

ShinobiBk

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I just wish some of the games were at least on both.

I'm not excited to play Luigi's Mansion that looks worse than the original that came out almost 20 years ago
 

Clix

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I still play my 3DS and outside the resolution I love the dual screen set up and I understand it's iptinal for games like Etrian Odyssey and WarioWare Gold due to the touch screen.

That said, can PQ2 and Etrian Odyssey work on Switch? Of course it can. We've been playing map heavy dungeon crawlers for decades now. The only thing we would lose is the make your own map feature, which is a cool feature, and the game on Switch would pretty much use the full featured auto mapping option PQ and EO offer.

Which I would be fine with because I play these games not just for the manual mapping. I see that as a cool feature but I play for the explorations and gameplay.

I'll also be honest. I start with manual mapping and halfway through I turn on auto mapping.

Can t work just fine? Yes of course. But yes the dual screen is optimal because having the map right there is so nice.

Now, as for Luigi's Mansion? I will agree a dual release like they did for Strikers and Captain Toad would have been ideal.
 

replicantUK

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Oct 27, 2017
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I agree.

Zero interest in buying anything for the 3DS. Would much rather see Nintendo concentrate purely on the Switch.
 

RM8

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People seem to think that those of us completely dumbfounded as to why they are only releasing these games on 3ds want the game only on Switch. This isn't the case. Release on both. Don't even need to do any graphical enhancements. Just adopt the UI to use one screen and run the game at a native 1080p or whatever and call it a day.

Some of us don't like gaming on a screen that was out of date before the system even launched. It's not 2004 anymore.

This isn't elitism, it's technological progress. Get over it.
There has literally never been a Nintendo handheld with a cutting edge screen, including Switch. Nintendo made people play games on calculator tier screens with the Game Boy, lol. That's how things are, you should get over it yourself, considering 3DS is getting games in 2018.
 

Chakoo

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Oct 27, 2017
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While I own a switch I still get a ton of fun out of my 3DS as I make my way through my backlog for it. I actually enjoy some of these late releases as I can pick them up for a reasonable price. I barely buy switch games because I really don't care to fork out $80+ Cad when I can get great 3DS games for $30-$40 Cad when I hold out a few months after release.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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People need to stop this nonsense, whining about people wanting more Switch games, crying about "elitism". Many consoles have sold out the ass and they didn't just keep making (big) games for them years into their successors lives just because of that. The Wii was pretty much killed off when the Wii U released, so why is it ridiculous that people are upset about big 3DS games being released nearly two years into the Switch's life? I understand that this particular game uses the DS quite a bit, and it's also not a third parties obligation to make sure the Switch has games, I'm more upset about first party games being released on it, especially when the advantage of the Switch was to have all of Nintendo's devs on one console.

Honestly it sounds like the usual whining you see every generation when some people refuse to upgrade to the next gen consoles and want everyone else to be held back because of them. The 3DS had some great games, but I am beyond done with that weak ass hardware, and honestly I'd never been a big fan of the second screen in the first place.
Because as much as people don't want to admit it, the Switch is a more of a Wii U successor than a 3DS successor.

And it's annoying to watch people iterate how successful it is over and over while acting like it's still not getting enough. How do you even do that?
 

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"Why is this game that uses to an unbelievably high degree the dual screen feature of the 3DS not available on my single-screen device ?"

Terrible article. The author himself can't make an argument as to how it would work on Switch. The producers of Etrian Odyssey themselves said that the franchise will be heavily changed to work on single-screen devices in the future.

Imagine being a happy 3DS owner, being excited that Atlus is releasing their next big game on 3DS and having a bunch of elitists shouting at you that it's a waste because they can't play it on their much more expensive platform, despite making not any sense from a gameplay perspective.
I'm tired of EO and PQ 3ds owning fans pushing this narrative. It would not be hard at all to implement the map system on a single screen, especially one with a much higher resolution. Put the same map in a corner and when a player touches it or pushes a button bring up a drop box menu with editing tools.

It's not some revolutionary feature that requires a second screen in order to exist. Let's not act like it would take more than a couple hours of brainstorming to figure this out.
 

Alcibiades

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Maybe if you think that 3DS projects and Switch projects require the same amount of development time and investment.

They don't, though. Unfortunately Nintendo hasn't developed the 'port from 3DS to Switch' button.

Yet they went through all that effort to downport Captain Toad on the 3DS... terrible graphics, 30 fps and less enemies on screen... Downporting is much more difficult than porting to a more powerful system.

Nintendo should have designed games like Warioware with the Switch in mind (and thus not use the dual screens of the 3DS). It would have sold a lot better as a multi-platform release (3DS & Switch).

Still making games for the 3DS is a giant waste. All of these "new" games are flopping left and right. What's the point? People interested in buying a 3DS are going to buy it for the evergreen titles (Mario Kart 7, Animal Crossing, Pokémon games, etc.), not for games like Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story (the 3DS is even backwards compatible with the DS... what a waste of resources).
 

Gobias-Ind

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"This game was made for 3DS so it can't be on Switch" reads less like the "answer" and more like a concise explanation of what the problem is.
 

ChrisD

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Which Era poster wrote this, fess up.

Also wasn't Q2 always known to be 3DS only?
 
Nov 4, 2017
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Why couldn't Nintendo do it for Samus Returns or Ever Oasis?
Both are games built for 3ds.

Ever Oasis is the team that made Ocarina and Majora's remakes on 3ds. They did very well. So they got the greenlight to make a new IP. It controls like Zelda, uses the same engine that they know and is on the system they are familiar with.

Mercury Steam worked on Castlevania on 3ds and had experience making that exact kind of game on that exact system.

Its about building up outside teams with small projects Nintendo can trust them with and doing it in a cost effective way. Its smart.
 

Snowfruit

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I wonder how much of that 70+ million install base is still actively buying 3DS games. I haven't touched mine in like 2 or 3 years. No game could really make me put up with that 240p again personally.
 

Khanimus

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Oct 25, 2017
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He's right. There are games that would be awesome to play but playing it on a shitty low res handheld even when I am home and want to play on a TV is so unappealing.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Game uses dual screens as it's main gimmick and can't function on one screen without doing some serious work yet the author of the article is calling it a waste.

And people are wondering why games aren't unique anymore...
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yet they went through all that effort to downport Captain Toad on the 3DS... terrible graphics, 30 fps and less enemies on screen... Downporting is much more difficult than porting to a more powerful system.

Nintendo should have designed games like Warioware with the Switch in mind (and thus not use the dual screens of the 3DS). It would have sold a lot better as a multi-platform release (3DS & Switch).

Still making games for the 3DS is a giant waste. All of these "new" games are flopping left and right. What's the point? People interested in buying a 3DS are going to buy it for the evergreen titles (Mario Kart 7, Animal Crossing, Pokémon games, etc.), not for games like Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story (the 3DS is even backwards compatible with the DS... what a waste of resources).
But you are literally making all of that up.
 
Nov 4, 2017
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Warioware on Switch will be completely built around the Switch. That series completely changed based on the controllers available.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Eh, at this point the Switch is getting an amount of software that the 3DS never achieved even its best days and is just getting stuff that was already on the works for years so I don't see the point of complaining about it.

(Then again, if Nintendo releases something like Wario Land on 3DS instead of Switch they just can kiss the franchise goodbye).

The 3DS still has a better library of software, so I'm still playing it more than my Switch.

Actually, the Switch already has more good games than the 3DS based on Metacritic (which is quite impressive).
 

Chucker

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I've had a 3DS since day one. I've played a lot of great games on it. Persona Q and Q2 belong on 3DS because it makes sense there. That being said, I haven't played my 3DS since probably around this time last year. It's a great system, and I'll never get rid of it, I'm just done playing it for now.

Samus Returns is a great example of something that could have been on Switch., using PQ2 is a strange example.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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Oh boy, if even journalists start doing this...

Also, Q2 was announced as a 3DS game one year ago if I'm not mistaken.
 
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erikNORML

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While this specific game makes more sense on the 3DS - i definitely wish some other gems that would function well enough would get up-rezed and sent over to Switch. The new Dillon game and Metroid SR would get a lot more hours from me if it was on Switch. I can't just get myself to dig out my 3ds anymore, make sure its charged, and play on that tiny screen with cramped controls.
 

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Half of the posts in this thread (including yours) could be answered by repeting the same old thing: nobody wants to take games away from the 3DS, just for them to come out on Switch as well. Can we finally understand this and maybe move on to a more interesting part of the debate?

the entire point of the article is that "it's a waste than this very dual-screen centric 3DS game isn't on switch because wah wah", IF the article was talking about games that would make sense on Switch, I and others would have a totally different discourse (for example I can understand that people are disappointed about Luigi's Mansion being only on 3DS)
there's little discussion to have based on the premise of this article alone

How do you define elitism so that this qualifies? His argument for wanting these games to come to the Switch isn't that it costs more, anyway.

His argument is that he want these games on Switch because he owns that console and want them to play on that more expansive console despite it making no sense from a gameplay or target audience perspective. That's elitism, the willingness to exclude a group of people for no good reasons.
 

MrMephistoX

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Oct 25, 2017
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Don't agree that its a waste to release on 3DS but it's a total waste not to do cross gen releases or at least build in BC retroactively like Microsoft. I mean its not like the bottom screen is super essential but it must not be worth the effort to redo the UI to eliminate the need for two screens. Captain Toad turned out well anyway...and Zombi plays just fine on next gen consoles despite losing the tablet gimmick.