BIGOT ALERT: Josh Thomas (TheBitBlock) prepares response after exposé by Andre Segers (GameXplain)

This is the first time I've seen him acknowledge that his behavior was douchey or that he even regrets the things he has said. He does seem to understand that he is at fault for his current situation. You can tell this has been stuff he's been actually wanting to say (even though he kept a happy facade), but I guess his pet dying was kind of a last straw for everything going on in his life. Hopefully he apologizes for his past behavior, learns from his mistakes, and becomes a better person. Because he is at least capable of producing good content.

Labor said:

He and Moriarty should work together

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Yes with Vince Ingenito and Paul Logan also.

This video adds fuel to my theory that he's actually mentally sick, check my previous post if you need to. People suffering from malignant narcissism/mythomaniac have this horrible habit of faking someone's death when they feel in danger, it's the perfect excuse to not adress the real problems, and to get pity/attention. Maybe his (parents) dog really died and he's using it as an escape route, wich is kind of the same mental scheme.

As someone in this thread said that anyone trying to explain/defend his attitude was a racist ( wich is very short-minded imo) , i have to point out that i'm not trying to find excuses for his behaviour, but Josh's attitude is so similar to what i've been exposed for years that i have to talk about it.

I'm not saying he isn't xenophobic, what i'm saying is there's something behind this whole shitty attitude.

As you'll probably read this Josh, please get some help, from family, friends, dm me if you want to.

I also want to say that i've seen so much vitriolic hate in this thread that it scares me, Fighting inequality is great but if you plan on using Nazis methods you're no better than them.

Carbone said:

This video adds fuel to my theory that he's actually mentally sick, check my previous post if you need to. People suffering from malignant narcissism/mythomaniac have this horrible habit of faking someone's death when they feel in danger, it's the perfect excuse to not adress the real problems, and to get pity/attention. Maybe his (parents) dog really died and he's using it as an escape route, wich is kind of the same mental scheme.

As someone in this thread said that anyone trying to explain/defend his attitude was a racist ( wich is very short-minded imo) , i have to point out that i'm not trying to find excuses for his behaviour, but Josh's attitude is so similar to what i've been exposed for years that i have to talk about it.

I'm not saying he isn't xenophobic, what i'm saying is there's something behind this whole shitty attitude.

As you'll probably read this Josh, please get some help, from family, friends, dm me if you want to.

I also want to say that i've seen so much vitriolic hate in this thread that it scares me, Fighting inequality is great but if you plan on using Nazis methods you're no better than them.

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Which "nazi methods" are you talking about since you wanted to enter that into this conversation.

Sad video, having a pet die is always an awful experience I'm glad to see some self reflection and I hope he uses this opportunity to better himself. That is his only way forward

Ryna said:

It definitely seems like hes trying to make amends. The whole situation seemed more like ignorance rather than blatant racism. But I didn't really follow the whole thing closely so feel free to correct me if im wrong.

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JonTron laid out explicit rationales for genetic superiority of whites. He lamented that even if social integration weren't an issue, that wouldn't address the problem of non-whites becoming part of the "gene pool."

He layed out how non-white foreigners decay the countries they arrive from because of their caustic, criminal culture. He continuously explained how the blacks (who are inherently violent) are ruining America the same way they ruined Africa. He quoted stats on criminality between different countries to "demonstrate" how in particular blacks (on the whole) are simply violent criminals by nature. He expressed ongoing consternation about BLM, and how "The Left" created racism and split the country with identity politics because they speak about racism. He wanted to go further than all this, but didn't want to "get raunchy." He thought "racist" was a meaningless word, and HE was offended when it was used.

So no, JonTron went well beyond passive ignorance. He argued on behalf of these points and others for hours. ****If**** he's actually gone through a massive, Saul-to-Paul-esque transformation, or has realized he needs to, that's good. I haven't seen anything to indicate that.

lvl 99 Pixel said:

I don't think hes even made anything in almost a year. He seems to have vanished.

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I don't think this means anything one way or the other about him changing, as a side-note. Outside of his time on Game Grumps, he would go silent for months, almost lasting full years.

oh my god that video. I'm so sorry someone you know lost a cat or something, you racist youtuber. :( the internet is so mean, you can't even be transphobic without them calling you out.

Dark Cloud said:

Which "nazi methods" are you talking about since you wanted to enter that into this conversation.

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Methods like « anyone trying to defend, explain this behaviour is also a racist »
to me it sounds a lot like « anyone with a big nose is a jew » or « you have gay friends so you're gay too »
short-minded and dangerous.

mariodk18 said:

This is the first time I've seen him acknowledge that his behavior was douchey or that he even regrets the things he has said. He does seem to understand that he is at fault for his current situation. You can tell this has been stuff he's been actually wanting to say (even though he kept a happy facade), but I guess his pet dying was kind of a last straw for everything going on in his life. Hopefully he apologizes for his past behavior, learns from his mistakes, and becomes a better person. Because he is at least capable of producing good content.

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Yeah, I'm hoping what he said near the end is true. I do believe in a couple years, he could easily turn things around if he wanted and apologised and meant it.

He's a good kid I feel...somewhere.

But whether he wants to show that side or the side which made Nintendo and others leave him...it's up to him.

Sympathy to the dog. It's always devastating to lose such a close friend.

Zubz said:

I don't think this means anything one way or the other about him changing, as a side-note. Outside of his time on Game Grumps, he would go silent for months, almost lasting full years.

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Oh I didn't mean hes changed. Just that hes kind of faded into obscurity.

Carbone said:

Methods like « anyone trying to defend, explain this behaviour is also a racist »
to me it sounds a lot like « anyone with a big nose is a jew » or « you have gay friends so you're gay too »
short-minded and dangerous.

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Here's why I think this is false equivalence:

Being racist is very bad. Being gay is not very bad, neither is being a jew, so there's no reason to try to make excuses for people for being gay or a jew in the same in the same way that there are no reasons to make excuses for someone for being racist.
So making up excuses for someone being racist makes you racist and defend someone's very bad behaviour.
Making up excuses for someone being gay is not the same (I've also never seen that, like what would that be "his dog died, so lashed out gayly on twitter, but he didn't mean it"?).

What you're saying sounds a bit "will no one think of the racists!?!?!" to me. I know that's not how you mean it, but I really don't get your weird comparison.

And now for some relaxing music.

I feel like hating on Beyonce is a new low-key dog whistle, which bothers me because I've never been much of a fan, but now I feel like I have to pretend.

Labor said:

He and Moriarty should work together

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Colin's a different animal. I don't think Colin has all this racial or anti-immigrant resentment, and I've even seen him speak out against racists and the like, but he's also a guy who think Ayn Rand is smart, so yeah... I find his political views childish/naive, but not outright bigoted.

Carbone said:

Methods like « anyone trying to defend, explain this behaviour is also a racist »
to me it sounds a lot like « anyone with a big nose is a jew » or « you have gay friends so you're gay too »
short-minded and dangerous.

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What are you even talking about? How is being gay or a jew the same as being racist? 1 of those things are negative and bad but in your view it seems nothing out of the 3 are wrong.

You are basically saying, "Why don't we think of the racist?"

So many kids probably watch his videos and they are being exposed to this nonsense.

Didn't this guy get called out when the Jon Tron stuff started taking off? I don't follow anything Nintendo but I still remember him from back then. It was either the Jon Tron stuff or the Yooka Laylee incident.

WonderLuigi said:

Yeah, just something a normal, sane, not-racist person would do! He also jokes about gender neutral clothes in the video

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This is cartoon character levels of racism, the kind that would accidentally touch another person from another race and go "eww eww eww". Experienced this growing up but most people don't keep that attitude past 10 yo. Something tells me this guy does not mix with a lot of people from other races or he is hamming it up for the youtube clicks.

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JonTron laid out explicit rationales for genetic superiority of whites. He was concerned that foreigners dliute the "gene pool," and decay any country they arrive in because of their caustic, inferior, and criminal culture. He continuously explained how the blacks, who are inherently violent, are ruining America the same way they ruined Africa. He expressed ongoing consternation about BLM, and how "The Left" created racism and split the country with identity politics because they speak about racism. He wanted to go further than all this, but didn't want to "get raunchy." He thought "racist" was a meaningless word, and HE was offended when it was used.

So no, JonTron went well beyond passive ignorance. He argued on behalf of these points and others for hours. ****If**** he's actually gone through a massive, Saul-to-Paul-esque transformation, or has realized he needs to, that's good. I haven't seen anything to indicate that.

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I think with this level of ignorance there is hope that maybe if someone can teach him why those ideas are wrong and how they have no basis for believing it to be true then he might be able to come around with enough time. Having said that, this is like KKK foot soldier levels of reasoning and the kind they teach to recruit young men in the 90's maybe. To think anyone could fall for that today leads me to believe that he also does not mix with a lot of people outside of his adoptive white race. Sad that he goes so far as to argue about genes but does not realize his own will see him excluded from the vary group he has aligned with. Does he even know what genes are I wonder?

Carbone said:

Methods like « anyone trying to defend, explain this behaviour is also a racist »
to me it sounds a lot like « anyone with a big nose is a jew » or « you have gay friends so you're gay too »
short-minded and dangerous.

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Why people react negatively to those openly advocating for hostile assertions like white supremacy shouldn't need to be explained. And no, it's obviously nothing like those other things.

Who the fuck is this? so fucking stupid, wow.

Dee Dee said:

Here's why I think this is false equivalence:

Being racist is very bad. Being gay is not very bad, neither is being a jew, so there's no reason to try to make excuses for people for being gay or a jew in the same in the same way that there are no reasons to make excuses for someone for being racist.
So making up excuses for someone being racist makes you racist and defend someone's very bad behaviour.
Making up excuses for someone being gay is not the same (I've also never seen that, like what would that be "his dog died, so lashed out gayly on twitter, but he didn't mean it"?).

What you're saying sounds a bit "will no one think of the racists!?!?!" to me. I know that's not how you mean it, but I really don't get your weird comparison.

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Yeah i get your point, my comparaison wasn't the most appropriate.
To me you can't fight racism without understanding what's led people into it. ( life experiences, environment, education etc..)
A giant « No Racism allowed » sign won't change anything sadly, and i don't think labelling racist the people who try to explain/understand/get rid of such behaviour is smart.

Igniz12 said:

I think with this level of ignorance there is hope that maybe if someone can teach him why those ideas are wrong and how they have no basis for believing it to be true then he might be able to come around with enough time. Having said that, this is like KKK foot soldier levels of reasoning and the kind they teach to recruit young men in the 90's maybe. To think anyone could fall for that today leads me to believe that he also does not mix with a lot of people outside of his adoptive white race. Sad that he goes so far as to argue about genes but does not realize his own will see him excluded from the vary group he has aligned with. Does he even know what genes are I wonder?

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I'd love for that to be true (I know and believe people can change), but even afterward, he wasn't particularly self-aware. It's not a good trajectory when you're taking the reassurances of actual white supremacists on social media to perk you up after your hour+ debate where you chose to argue about the inferiority of non-whites, and the incompatibility of non-white immigrants with America.



This shit is not subtle.

Carbone said:

Yeah i get your point, my comparaison wasn't the most appropriate.
To me you can't fight racism without understanding what's led people into it. ( life experiences, environment, education etc..)
A giant « No Racism allowed » sign won't change anything sadly, and i don't think labelling racist the people who try to explain/understand/get rid of such behaviour is smart.

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Its mostly though that people come into those threads without saying anything about the thread topic and most "Wow. You gang up on him! You are the real bigots." Its happening in every thread like that. Before that it was the Sugiyama thread, where I even made that meme:



You can make that same meme about Josh now.

Now its this thread where people dont even talk about the original tweets just a few months old which reek of racism, transphobia, homophobia etc. but rather tell people that they are the real "bad apples" by ganging up on him...

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I'd love for that to be true (I know and believe people can change), but even afterward, he wasn't particularly self-aware. It's not a good trajectory when you're taking the reassurances of actual white supremacists on social media to perk you up after your hour+ debate where you chose to argue about the inferiority of non-whites.

This shit is not subtle.

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Wow, he really is that KKK foot soldier I was talking about.

Carbone said:

Yeah i get your point, my comparaison wasn't the most appropriate.
To me you can't fight racism without understanding what's led people into it. ( life experiences, environment, education etc..)
A giant « No Racism allowed » sign won't change anything sadly, and i don't think labelling racist the people who try to explain/understand/get rid of such behaviour is smart.

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It's one thing to try and understand why people act like pieces of shit, and it's another to excuse it.
Like, one reason could be that they are idiots. Then the question is, is that an excuse for why they act like that?
Personally, I don't think so.
Like, lots of people lose pets and go through rough times without calling others a cunt online.
That's "I was drunk!" levels of excuse. No. No. Just don't be an ass, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT HARD TO NOT BE AN ASS, PEOPLE!!

I understand that some of these people may have mental issues. I do hope they get help. It won't stop me from calling out their bullshit behavior though.
That fact that you're suffering does not mean I have to take your shit. That is my stance, personally, which is why I'm argueing you here, so take it as you will.

Especially when it comes to lashing out on twitter. Like, you log in, and write that, then hit send. If you are not capable of reflecting your behavior at least once in this multi-step process, then I have to assume you're just making really bad decisions in your life, repeatedly. And I'll call you out for it, because you're being hurtful towards others, and that's just not acceptable.
And it's one thing to try and understand, and it's another to then go "well, he had no choice but to be an ass, because he has issues", you have a choice to get help and you have multiple ways of dealing with issues, and just becoming a racist prick on twitter as a way of dealing with it is just pure bullshit, and deserves to be called out.

People calling out racists are NOT the issue here. You should also try and understand those people that feel attacked by racist assholes, and try to understand why they feel the urge to stand up for themselves. They deserve your sympathy just as much.

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Wow, he really is that KKK foot soldier I was talking about.

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It's a Kek flag, not a KKK flag. It's obviously based on on the KKK flag, but it's more about pepes who say they're "just joking."

MouldyK said:

Yeah, I'm hoping what he said near the end is true. I do believe in a couple years, he could easily turn things around if he wanted and apologised and meant it.

He's a good kid I feel...somewhere.

But whether he wants to show that side or the side which made Nintendo and others leave him...it's up to him.

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Seen a few people refer to him as a "kid" and whatnot so I feel I should mention that I think he's in at least his early 30's which is well past kid territory imo.

HyGogg said:

It's a Kek flag, not a KKK flag. It's obviously based on on the KKK flag, but it's more about pepes who say they're "just joking."

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(Unfortunately) a distinction without a difference, given that case.

HyGogg said:

It's a Kek flag, not a KKK flag. It's obviously based on on the KKK flag, but it's more about pepes who say they're "just joking."

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Go back to my first post, it was me saying the argument he used to defend his opinions are the same as the KKK would have probably used to recruit young people hence Jon Tron has become the fictional KKK guy now with that tweet. But like you said there is little distinction between the 2 so if the shoe fits....

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Its mostly though that people come into those threads without saying anything about the thread topic and most "Wow. You gang up on him! You are the real bigots." Its happening in every thread like that. Before that it was the Sugiyama thread, where I even made that meme:

You can make that same meme about Josh now.

Now its this thread where people dont even talk about the original tweets just a few months old which reek of racism, transphobia, homophobia etc. but rather tell people that they are the real "bad apples" by ganging up on him...

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ok i didn't know that, thanks for the clarification.

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(Unfortunately) a distinction without a difference, given that case.

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Maybe a matter of degree, but not really substance, it's true.

Carbone said:

Yeah i get your point, my comparaison wasn't the most appropriate.
To me you can't fight racism without understanding what's led people into it. ( life experiences, environment, education etc..)
A giant « No Racism allowed » sign won't change anything sadly, and i don't think labelling racist the people who try to explain/understand/get rid of such behaviour is smart.

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You need to call a spade a spade. Criticizing ideas does involve using accurate labels. "Racist" rightly describes ideas, and yes, people when they actively act and advocate for things like this. And this is active lobbying by a celebrity. It's no witch hunt when the public responds to those ideas through speech and discussion. Responding isn't over-reacting. Describing isn't name-calling.

You're also implying you can't label active bigotry and also understand its foundations. Which, again, is the sort of deflective what-aboutism you often see from people trying to subversively defend bigotry.

Dee Dee said:

People calling out racists are NOT the issue here. You should also try and understand those people that feel attacked by racist assholes, and try to understand why they feel the urge to stand up for themselves. They deserve your sympathy just as much.

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I never said that people calling out racists are the issue. i said don't make amalgams.

you mean me? are you kidding?
i'm a gyspsy, i'm gay who fought for gay marriage and my boyfriend is algerian.


Ok i'm out coz apparently now i'm a biggot too.
Geez ...

Carbone said:

I never said that people calling out racists are the issue. i said don't make amalgams.

you mean me? are you kidding?
i'm a gyspsy, i'm gay who fought for gay marriage and my boyfriend is algerian.

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No one cares who you are in this context. You're looking at this situation and concluding that your energy is best spent explaining why people shouldn't use words like racist. You're implying you can't do that and also try to understand why people act that way. You insisted that if someone is arguing for ideas like this, it's unfair to "amalgamate" them with the idea.

All I can think when I read some of those tweets is that the guy must be pretty unhappy with his life if he has to trash people on twitter at every turn. It also sounds to me like he's either projecting his own racism or he's a very insecure white male who for some reason feels threatened by people of another creed/colour/race/sex that he doesn't even know.

Carbone said:

I never said that people calling out racists are the issue. i said don't make amalgams.

you mean me? are you kidding?
i'm a gyspsy, i'm gay who fought for gay marriage and my boyfriend is algerian.


Ok i'm out coz apparently now i'm a biggot too.
Geez ...

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Stop playing the victim and packing up and leaving the discussion. No one called you a bigot.

Carbone said:

I never said that people calling out racists are the issue. i said don't make amalgams.

you mean me? are you kidding?
i'm a gyspsy, i'm gay who fought for gay marriage and my boyfriend is algerian.


Ok i'm out coz apparently now i'm a biggot too.
Geez ...

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I apologize for making you feel attacked, I did become quite heated, and while I did quote your post, that rant wasn't necessarily directed exclusively at you.
I am just concerned by the way you feel more passionate about trying to understand how Josh Thomas feels as the attacker than what other people feel as the attacked.
He fucked up, and he should be held responsible. If anything, that is how I would like to understand his actions, by holding him responsible for what he says and does.

Carbone said:

A giant « No Racism allowed » sign won't change anything sadly, and i don't think labelling racist the people who try to explain/understand/get rid of such behaviour is smart.

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I'd welcome a huge "no racisms allowed" sign anywhere, but I know that's not what you mean.
I also don't think anyone is trying to label people racist for showing understanding of Josh going through a hard time. But if anyone argues that posting racist shit on twitter is an appropriate outlet for you someone's issues, that's very questionable judgement. At least to me. Which is why I'm argueing that stance.

Andre responded to the video and wishes for the best for Josh:



Yet someone still says:

Wow. You need to apologize to Josh if you really see yourself so high and mighty.

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You wouldn't drop criminal charges on someone just for a loss.

Any brave or savvy soul able to transcribe / paraphrase the relevant part of the dog video? Where he talks about the recent drama?

Not sure I want to give clicks since Josh has made these crying videos before then faked the audience out with trolling.

My sympathies to Josh's dog. It sucks to lose your best friend. Hopefully he'll change his act.

Does he really have a dog?

Did other races kill his dog

If not, then how does that explain the racism

Imran said:

Did other races kill his dog

If not, then how does that explain the racism

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I think it must work like taking an ambien.

I just watched the stream where Thomas tries to respond to Segers' exposé of the backlog of posts and statements. This is an absolutely laughable response when the "accusations" are all firsthand statements, with valid context, over such a window of time that they obviously represent who you are.

Edit: I had missed it, but OP transcribed part of it:

...They are spreading very damaging lies. People on the internet are incredibly gullible; they will believe anything they read on a message board, comments section, or in a tweet; they will instantly believe it...there's a certain point where it's - no, no, no, they're actually crossing the line and they're not just calling me names; they're not just saying "oh Make Believe looks like amateur garbage", they're actually saying damaging things that will affect the viewership, or will affect the way people think of me - people have already sent me death threats, by the way, because they think I'm racist based on what GameXplain tweets out, and I know it's because of what GameXplain tweets out because the people who have sent me the death threats and actually have found out where I live were talking about GameXplain and siding with GameXplain. So you can see why it's a good idea to actually make the video. But in the video, I will take the high road - it'll be a little saucy of course, because it's me - but it will mostly be defending myself and also pointing out their hypocrisies.

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Imran said:

Did other races kill his dog

If not, then how does that explain the racism

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Being wronged by individuals of a certain race is still not justification for racism. Unless you're not very bright.

Hiding behind personal tragedy seems cowardly to me.

I was destroyed when my little friend of 15 years died, it's a really painful thing to experience.

It didn't make me racist, though.

So, some jackass video game youtuber's dog dies, he trots it out just when he's getting called out for being a racist dipshit, and now some people are like, "But his loss! The argument is pointless in the end!"

Fuck that. Get a grip.

RM8 said:

I was destroyed when my little friend of 15 years died, it's a really painful thing to experience.

It didn't make me racist, though.

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It didn't make you build a time machine to be publicly bigoted in the past and also present.

Was interesting to hear him talk about how great he had it until he fucked it all up himself. Usually he is quick to blame others, but I think this is the first time he put the blame on himself.

We lost our dog of almost 17 years earlier this year...it really sucks, I know, they are family. Some other family I have lost tbeir dogs too. Yet none of us have taken that and became racist.

If a pet happens to die in the midst of you being called out for your horrible opinions and statements, the last thing you should do is make a very dramatic video diary announcing the pets death and expressing your grief.

It just immediately comes off as trying to change the subject and rally empathy for yourself.