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WillyFive

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Sakurai doesn't care one shit about if the third-party character has been on a nintendo console before or not. Cloud isn't in Smash because of his cameo in one of the FF spinoffs, nor is Snake in because of the forgotten-by-all Twin Snakes remake on Gamecube. They're both in because they're both iconic japanese video game characters.

Snake would be in for Metal Gear.
 

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For the record I think Spiderman has a case, but Goku should be the first non-videogame character.
 

lambdaupsilon

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Snake has been with Nintendo since his first game on the NES. Only mainline MGS games that are not on Nintendo systems are 2, 4 and 5, as far as I know.
metal gear on the nes was sort of a bastard port, snake's revenge is completely unrelated to metal gear 2 and had no involvement from kojima, and peace walker is for all intents and purposes mainline
so really it's just those two, twin snakes, mgs3 3d, and ghost babel
 
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It's all stupid meme characters anyway.

Stick with Nintendo and ultra-popular third party ones. From video games. Video. Games.
 

KtotheRoc

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Right? It's damn stupid lmao. Any time someone brings up Goku, people feel the need to bring up mother effing Shrek or Spongebob.

Shit. Is. Bonkers. Somehow if Goku makes it into Smash, there are people legitimately thinking there would be a call for someone like S H R E K !

Sakurai said this about Goku (around the time Mewtwo was set to be released as Smash 4 DLC)

https://sourcegaming.info/2015/03/22/mewtwo-dlc-takamaru-and-sakurais-nico-nico-appearance/

Sakurai: But, you know I get requests like, "Please put Goku in"
Sugita: GOKU!?
Sakurai: "Please put Spongebob"
Sugita: SPONGEBOB?!
Sakurai: That's impossible.
Sugita: Spongebob's games are only sold abroad!
Sakurai: That's right
Sugita: The really energetic, yellow square right?
Sakurai: Yes.
Sugita: Even Spongebob…
Sakurai: Well, those kinds of requests are pretty common.
Sugita: What about Yukawasen*, or Segata Sanshiro?
Sakurai: (laughs)
Sugita: …well I'm glad Sonic's in.
Sakurai: That's the point of Mii Fighters
 

finalflame

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Oct 27, 2017
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I can't wait for them to get this shit out of the way so we can hopefully talk about some 2018 and early 2019 games that aren't fucking Smash.
 

WillyFive

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Oct 25, 2017
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metal gear on the nes was sort of a bastard port, snake's revenge is completely unrelated to metal gear 2 and had no involvement from kojima, and peace walker is for all intents and purposes mainline
so really it's just those two, twin snakes, mgs3 3d, and ghost babel

Not sure what to get from this post, other as an opportunity for me to remind everyone that Ghost Babel is a classic.
 

FUNKNOWN iXi

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Oct 25, 2017
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What games was Cloud in on Nintendo consoles/handhelds? I don't play FF games so I'm genuinely curious.
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh sorry, let's talk about more interesting things like Wonder Red, K. Rool and Dixie, people that'll REALLY get the needle moving.
Smash doesn't really need a huge super popular newcomer to sell a ton or get people excited at this point, and those characters are much more accessible for Nintendo since they own them. Sakurai has gone on record saying even dealing with a partially owned franchise like Pokemon in smash presents a lot of challenges, dealing with double digits worth of entities for this would be way more trouble than it's worth for one character, even if it was fucking Darth Vader or something like that
 

Robo

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Oct 27, 2017
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Hoping for a demo! You can't expect me to wait until December for this! pls Sakurai
 

wiiucollector

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The Nintendo promo roll-out is never short of unexpected turns. I assumed we would get a regular Direct early next month, that would have all the paid online details - if we do still get that, then I'll be pretty happy as far as updates go.

I'll go out on a limb and predict that an Arms member and Chibi Robo will be announced as joining the fight.
 

Cybersai

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Sakurai said he wanted to put Geno as far back as Brawl. I honestly wonder if Square just doesn't want him in Smash, as that's the only barrier. But then there was the Mii costume last time, so who knows.
 

NeonZ

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So what what makes Goku more special then other non game characters who are important and got licensed games?

Why not Mickey Mouse? One of if not the most iconic cartoon characters of all time with more games then you could shake a stick at?

Why not Popeye who has actual historical relevance to Nintendo?

Because Goku actually stars in million selling game franchises? Like the recent Xenoverse games hitting 10 millions in two entries. Kingdom Hearts is the best selling game for Mickey, but it doesn't even star him. So, you obviously see demand for the character from the big game franchise, rather than the franchises that aren't so big as games.

What games was Cloud in on Nintendo consoles/handhelds? I don't play FF games so I'm genuinely curious.

Theatrhythm Final Fantasy for the 3ds - rhythm game with characters from all FFs, and Final Fantasy Explorers (Monster Hunter-like game where the hero gets the power to become heroes from previous Final Fantasies as limited time power ups, including Cloud). He also appears as an opponent in the Coliseum for some of the portable Kingdom Hearts spin-offs.
 

MrBS

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Oct 27, 2017
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Well being a smash direct I'm totally okay with half hour lecture on the details this time!

Nice to see this thread going as expected.

Hoping for one more character reveal and some more concrete details on amiibos and other accessories coming.
 

Benzychenz

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It's surreal that people have convinced themselves an anime character in Smash can be anything more than a dumb forum meme.
 

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Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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Because Goku actually starts in million selling game franchises? Like the recent Xenoverse games hitting 10 millions in two entries. Kingdom Hearts is the best selling game for Mickey, but it doesn't even star him. So, you obviously see demand for the character from the big game franchise, rather than the franchises that aren't so big as games.
I don't think Sakurai gives a shit about how well the video game side of a non video game franchise sells to be honest. By the point where you're considering those characters, limiting your concern regarding their popularity to video games is really, really fucking pointless and dumb
 
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Smash doesn't really need a huge super popular newcomer to sell a ton or get people excited at this point, and those characters are much more accessible for Nintendo since they own them. Sakurai has gone on record saying even dealing with a partially owned franchise like Pokemon in smash presents a lot of challenges, dealing with double digits worth of entities for this would be way more trouble than it's worth for one character, even if it was fucking Darth Vader or something like that
I foresee a ban for myself the day Goku is announced because I will not stop saying I told you so.
 

Plum

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May 31, 2018
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Everyone's talking about some random anime dude (who's base form isn't even in his own game at launch lol but seriously what's a Goku?) when we all know the true most likely character to be in Smash:

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Fortnite Guy gonna be dropping from that battle bus and dabbing on the haters. Ya'll are just not ready for it.
 
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