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PLASTICA-MAN

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Still no new feature found? I noticed surfing through UI and icons being snappier, but I noticed the PS4 Pro overworking in some games and it turns into crazy helicopter when launching NHL 19 Beta to the extent of exploding that I had to stop the game. Dunno if you had this problem occurring now.
 

TheChrisGlass

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At the very least these firmware updates are graphic driver updates as well. On PC people go batshit for AMD and Nvidia updates, but on console, maybe because it is less talked about, people just seem to think the team does nothing but random shit all the time.

The PS4 OS is pretty nice now to be honest. I don't have any major needs except getting every ounce of performance they can for the Pro. And updates to graphics for older non-Pro games like Xbox does it would be very cool.

People go apeshit for gfx updates on PC because they're bugfixes that boost performance. Basically what AMD and Nvidia do is coordinate with major game devs, and Nvidia's own developers will rewrite sections of code to fix shaders and crap like that. So the drivers you download include a TON of game-specific fixes. It's also why games work better on one platform or another. Because THOSE gfx devs went in and patched the issues themselves, outside of the actual game developers.
 
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People go apeshit for gfx updates on PC because they're bugfixes that boost performance. Basically what AMD and Nvidia do is coordinate with major game devs, and Nvidia's own developers will rewrite sections of code to fix shaders and crap like that. So the drivers you download include a TON of game-specific fixes. It's also why games work better on one platform or another. Because THOSE gfx devs went in and patched the issues themselves, outside of the actual game developers.

That is the same thing Sony devs would be doing. Firmware updates should be no different on consoles.
 

ManaByte

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since nobody talked about this one of the wishlist that never happens:

- psone and psp games on ps4
- and all ps2 catalog available without trophy support

and why not vita games support

We know the PS4 can't read music CDs but would that rule out PSOne CDs? I still have my entire PSOne collection and would like to play them on the PS4 if they could run on it.
 

ianpm31

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I know it's petty but what's really annoying is that Sony has yet to fix their rating and like system on the PS Store. Rating system stopped working months ago (all new games still have "No ratings") and the like system broke a week ago. It looks very unprofessional especially when the PS division just pulled in over 700 million dollars in profit last quarter.
 

~Fake

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I know it's petty but what's really annoying is that Sony has yet to fix their rating and like system on the PS Store. Rating system stopped working months ago (all new games still have "No ratings") and the like system broke a week ago. It looks very unprofessional especially when the PS division just pulled in over 700 million dollars in profit last quarter.
I agree with you. We need a rating system fixed right now. My brother get a game and don't like, but he don't see any form of rate the game for future buyers.
I really hope this is a 'broken' situation because if Sony made this to deny us to say what game is good or bad just to not affect sales...
 

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I'm actually eager to know if this streamlines background downloading a bit. I've seen resource creep from that impacting a couple of my themes.
 

FusedAtoms

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Uhhhhhhh so I just had my console crash on the home screen with a system error and then when it came back I got the notification on my PS4 about being accepted into the beta, that I previously never got but I did get the email , and in the notification screen it says it's from Wednesday
 
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Here's hoping they add an online status for using media apps. When I'm watching HBO Go it still shows everyone I'm playing whatever game was suspended.
 

sujay

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Here's hoping they add an online status for using media apps. When I'm watching HBO Go it still shows everyone I'm playing whatever game was suspended.

This has bothered me from Day 1 and I still can't believe it hasn't been fixed.

I'm actually eager to know if this streamlines background downloading a bit. I've seen resource creep from that impacting a couple of my themes.

This is the first thing I thought of when they said the beta didn't currently have any public facing features.
 

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Some developers use the strangest incremental name changes to updates or firmware. Why name it a major number increase if it isn't containing anything major, as that is what incremental numbering is suppose to indicate.
 

Massa

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Some developers use the strangest incremental name changes to updates or firmware. Why name it a major number increase if it isn't containing anything major, as that is what incremental numbering is suppose to indicate.

Perhaps it contains major features or changes for game developers.
 

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Some developers use the strangest incremental name changes to updates or firmware. Why name it a major number increase if it isn't containing anything major, as that is what incremental numbering is suppose to indicate.
I still think it will have features they're not willing to put in beta yet.
 
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Some developers use the strangest incremental name changes to updates or firmware. Why name it a major number increase if it isn't containing anything major, as that is what incremental numbering is suppose to indicate.
It's not all about you lol.

Early in PS3 life, we used to pay close attention to SDK updates - since they would often provide more available ram and extra features to devs.
But those features/extra wouldn't be available in a retail game until the corresponding PS3 firmware update was pushed out to systems at a later date.
But it didn't impact existing games immediately. Only games (re)compiled on the SDK would benefit from the extra memory, and be able to support the extra features.

Likely this update supports upcoming software releases.
 

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It's not all about you lol.

Early in PS3 life, we used to pay close attention to SDK updates - since they would often provide more available ram and extra features to devs.
But those features/extra wouldn't be available in a retail game until the corresponding PS3 firmware update was pushed out to systems at a later date.
But it didn't impact existing games immediately. Only games (re)compiled on the SDK would benefit from the extra memory, and be able to support the extra features.

Likely this update supports upcoming software releases.
Oh very much understand that but when presented to the consumer front a rounded number or a halfway number typical means significant upgrades or changes. Obviously that may very well be the case for under the hood but it still appears to consumers and that at this stage is nothing despite going from 5.x to 6.0.
 

FusedAtoms

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I mean the thing in the OP literally says "At this beta stage, 6.0 does not include any consumer facing features" so I would assume there's more
 

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Wrong.

Major releases introduce "breaking" changes, these don't need to be new features, these don't need to be front-facing either.

I don't think it works that way on PS4. They can't introduce changes that would make old games stop working or whatever. So I don't see what such a breaking change would be.
 

Expy

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But then it's not a breaking change.
Go do some reading about semantic versioning, and maybe a little bit of software development while you're at it. The link I provided shows that breaking changes should be reflected in a bump of the major version, but that's not enough for you.
 

Bunkles

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The new version number most likely represents some pretty big changes under the hood that we can't see yet.
 

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Go do some reading about semantic versioning, and maybe a little bit of software development while you're at it. The link I provided shows that breaking changes should be reflected in a bump of the major version, but that's not enough for you.

I'm in software development, and we do use semantic versioning, thanks. A breaking change means that an API is no longer backwards-compatible with old versions of an app (for example). The "app" would be games on the PS4 I guess? So if this new firmware didn't introduces changes that break games that haven't been updated, how is it a breaking change? If it's still BC with all old games it's not a breaking change.

But maybe it is one toward PSN or something, who knows.
 
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Oh very much understand that but when presented to the consumer front a rounded number or a halfway number typical means significant upgrades or changes. Obviously that may very well be the case for under the hood but it still appears to consumers and that at this stage is nothing despite going from 5.x to 6.0.
What you and others are mistaking is that the version number is not a signal to consumers to expect fireworks.
It's an arbitrary number assigned based on long-term(.5,.0) and short-term(.x) releases. The minor releases are for quick fixes/patches. The major releases are for adding/changing features/behaviours.

There is no guarantee that consumers are getting any customer facing features. That you're expecting it, is simply a symptom of the fact that IF such features are to be released, major releases is where you'll find them.

This firmware may contain nothing major, simply a lot of minor QoL improvements for developers. Or it may contain major refactoring of existing systems for purpose of optimization, extendability, or easier porting to future hardware.
The beta may be to ensure that everything works exactly the same, despite lots of underlying changes.

I'm in software development, and we do use semantic versioning, thanks. A breaking change means that an API is no longer backwards-compatible with old versions of an app (for example). The "app" would be games on the PS4 I guess? So if this new firmware didn't introduces changes that break games that haven't been updated, how is it a breaking change?

Games are compiled with an SDK version that corresponds to a Firmware version. When a game launches, it tells the system what SDK it was compiled with, like specifying an API version to use, so the API isn't locked to the old implementation - but old releases don't break.

Releasing a pro-patch for an old game like Bloodborne would require the game be updated for the new SDK, as the Pro, and checkerboarding APIs didn't exist when Bloodborne was released.
 
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