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brainchild

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No, I think it's fine.

I don't know who Josh Thomas is. Knowing what he did despite the work he does gives me more information about the situation.

To be fair, I still posted a non-embedded link to a video from his channel (for citation reasons) in the OP.

If someone was interested in knowing more about this person, they're more than welcome to explore his channel on their own, but embedding his content that is not directly relevant to this thread's topic is not really appropriate.
 

Boiled Goose

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It's fascinating and sad how predictable the views of these alt right racists are. It's privilege threat combined with white fragility. Complaining about "reverse racism" while being explicitly racists. It's total projection.
 
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brainchild

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It's fascinating and sad how predictable the views of these alt right racists are. It's privilege threat combined with white fragility. Complaining about "reverse racism" while being explicitly racists. It's total projection.

Yes, and also requires a considerable lack of self-awareness. Like how the fuck can he not see how ridiculous it is to essentially call Beyoncé a racist bitch? Like, come on!
 

DNAbro

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Oh this is even missing the reason Nintendo stopped working with his youtube channel. He started attacking Lamar Wilson cause he was more successful than him. If he wasn't such a huge fucking asshole he could be great cause he was legitimately creative. He deserves all the shit he's gotten.

Also Andre and the Gamexplain crew are the best Nintendo people on internet right now. Nothing but love for them.
 

Dernhelm

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No, I think it's fine.

I don't know who Josh Thomas is. Knowing what he did despite the work he does gives me more information about the situation.
But, what information though? Unless the content of those videos pertain to some sense of self-awareness in his bigotry that he is trying to better himself over, or underline even further deep-rooted signs of his abhorrent views, they provide nothing to this topic. There are many here who don't/didn't know him prior to coming in here, but learning of any talent he may have for video-editing Nintendo content shouldn't pertain in any way the drawing of a conclusion that he is a vocal problem on all forms of social media, and should be de-platformed period.
 

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To be fair, I still posted a non-embedded link to a video from his channel (for citation reasons) in the OP.

If someone was interested in knowing more about this person, they're more than welcome to explore his channel on their own, but embedding his content that is not directly relevant to this thread's topic is not really appropriate.
Why is it inappropriate? It's basically just showcasing the work he does in an easy to watch manner.

Just to be clear I'm not trying to pick a fight. It's just that keeping information on Josh's career hard to get doesn't really inform people like me on who Josh is. Knowing who he is helps.

Hell, I googled him when this thread was created earlier and what I got was information on the comedian, Josh Thomas.
 

MouldyK

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No, I think it's fine.

I don't know who Josh Thomas is. Knowing what he did despite the work he does gives me more information about the situation.

Yeah, he's a talented person.

But as we have seen as of late in many forms: talented does not exempt you from being an asshole.

Like all he had to do really was:

1) Not bring up GameXplain...but he likes doing that in a "Nuh-uh! I dumped HIM!" sort of way.

2) After the Ban from Twitter (twice?)...just don't show who you really are. Let your content speak for itself. I remember in Roger's Discussions, he brought up Trump sometimes, I think it was "Daddy Trump" at least once.

3) Reflect on yourself and why you are pushing people away.


I mean, looking at video comments, his fanbase like mocking GameXplain more than he does and even if he doesn't reply to them, he likes the comments. This probably enables it more from them.

I mean look it reminds me of the Game Grumps Breakup 5 years ago where we all wanted to know what happened and they never told us. But we got the Star Wars Jontron's in 2015 which featured Arin and it was like "Huh, guess they are still friends somewhat."

And even after the 2017 backlash of JonTron, they still mention him in episodes, I remember Dan in a Majora's Mask episode being like "I stopped watching Grumps after Jon left the show."...but they never say anything bad about him. They have said they no longer speak to him though I think after the 2017 thing.

Josh is all-negative towards almost everyone though.
 

TheExecutive

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BIGOT ALERT?? Seriously? I mean, I get it. This dude is a complete dumpster fire but internet outrage over people they have never met or known is getting pretty rediculous when we have titles like this.
 

Nav

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Oh this is even missing the reason Nintendo stopped working with his youtube channel. He started attacking Lamar Wilson cause he was more successful than him. If he wasn't such a huge fucking asshole he could be great cause he was legitimately creative. He deserves all the shit he's gotten.

Also Andre and the Gamexplain crew are the best Nintendo people on internet right now. Nothing but love for them.
Very true. Guy was obsessed with Lamar, calling his content lazy, and angry that Lamar had more access to Nintendo than him. Pretty sure, maybe not explicitly, but Josh implied Lamar's success and access was only because of his race. :|
 

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"For his entire career he's been obnoxious and hostile to the point where nobody wants anything to do with him, but did you knows he made a cool animal crossing video once? If he completely changed every aspect of his personality he'd be good."
 

Plok64

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So here's the thing...

I went through great lengths to avoid promoting his work when putting this thread together. I personally listened to a ton of his garbage just to make sure I was getting an accurate picture of the situation, and transcribed a lot of quotes (many of which I decided not to post in the end) just so that I could accurately represent what happened without promoting his work, and then you throw all of that out of the window and promote his work anyway.

Can you not do this? Thanks.

The thread had already evolved past this particular situation and became about Josh as a person. I'm not promoting his work or taking away from your OP.
I posted those videos because I think there is an interesting juxtaposition between his offensive social media activity and the more agreeable side of him.
From what I remember he seems to be quite a likable guy on his Youtube videos as well as in person, according to Rogersbase who is friends with him.

Josh is clearly brainwashed by the likes of Steven Crowder, which he has admitted to being a massive fan of. I can definitely see why someone would have these opinions if all they've been exposed to are conservative talking points. Ultimately I would like to see him get challenged on these topics and hopefully have him reconsider his ideas and behavior.
 

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The thread had already evolved past this particular situation and became about Josh as a person. I'm not promoting his work or taking away from your OP.
I posted those videos because I think there is an interesting juxtaposition between his offensive social media activity and the more agreeable side of him.
From what I remember he seems to be quite a likable guy on his Youtube videos as well as in person, according to Rogersbase who is friends with him.

Josh is clearly brainwashed by the likes of Steven Crowder, which he has admitted to being a massive fan of. I can definitely see why someone would have these opinions if all they've been exposed to are conservative talking points. Ultimately I would like to see him get challenged on these topics and hopefully have him reconsider his ideas and behavior.
Josh has been bad since the Wii Days. The only difference now is he's openly racist and bigoted instead of simply aggressive and less openly racist. He's not going to reconsider any of his opinions, it's not who he is.

He's probably different in his videos because there are no minorities for him to get mad at in his videos.
 

aSqueakyLime

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Always thought Josh was an idiot, it always made me a little annoyed back when Andre used to invite him into their videos.

Very nice to see him call him out now, he's clearly an idiot and now more people will know.
 

Dernhelm

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Josh has been bad since the Wii Days. The only difference now is he's openly racist and bigoted instead of simply aggressive and less openly racist. He's not going to reconsider any of his opinions, it's not who he is.

He's probably different in his videos because there are no minorities for him to get mad at in his videos.
Or, as I suspect with him and several others, he's aware enough of how toxic his views can be to the core of his online presence - his videos (and by association, his wallet) - and simply dials it back for them, which if it is the case only adds a layer of insidiousness to his behaviour.
 

ngower

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Used to follow his channel and he just started going downhill rapidly a few years back and this type of stuff isn't surprising in the least.
 

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Or, as I suspect with him and several others, he's aware enough of how toxic his views can be to the core of his online presence - his videos (and by association, his wallet) - and simply dials it back for them, which if it is the case only adds a layer of insidiousness to his behaviour.
That would explain why he thought the need back in the day to have a secret "Dark" Twitter account, and why now he's calling screen caps of his own tweets fabricated lies.
 

aSqueakyLime

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Another thing; he's like the antithesis of what the animal crossing community is all about, so it's kind of sad that he likes to view himself as the go-to-guy for AC lol
 
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brainchild

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Oh this is even missing the reason Nintendo stopped working with his youtube channel. He started attacking Lamar Wilson cause he was more successful than him. If he wasn't such a huge fucking asshole he could be great cause he was legitimately creative. He deserves all the shit he's gotten.

This is true. There was a lot more originally in the OP, including Josh's attacks on Lamar, but I felt it was getting really bloated so I had to start trimming down the post to keep things coherent.


Why is it inappropriate? It's basically just showcasing the work he does in an easy to watch manner.

Just to be clear I'm not trying to pick a fight. It's just that keeping information on Josh's career hard to get doesn't really inform people like me on who Josh is. Knowing who he is helps.

Hell, I googled him when this thread was created earlier and what I got was information on the comedian, Josh Thomas.

I wasn't suggesting that you were explicitly promoting him, but if his content is being monetized, you are effectively promoting his content by making it more visible and easier for people to access his content.

I put the name of his YouTube channel in the title of the thread, in case people wanted to know where to find him.

BIGOT ALERT?? Seriously? I mean, I get it. This dude is a complete dumpster fire but internet outrage over people they have never met or known is getting pretty rediculous when we have titles like this.

There is nothing outrageous about the thread title, and certainly not anything worth getting upset about, but ok.

The thread had already evolved past this particular situation and became about Josh as a person. I'm not promoting his work or taking away from your OP.
I posted those videos because I think there is an interesting juxtaposition between his offensive social media activity and the more agreeable side of him.
From what I remember he seems to be quite a likable guy on his Youtube videos as well as in person, according to Rogersbase who is friends with him.

Josh is clearly brainwashed by the likes of Steven Crowder, which he has admitted to being a massive fan of. I can definitely see why someone would have these opinions if all they've been exposed to are conservative talking points. Ultimately I would like to see him get challenged on these topics and hopefully have him reconsider his ideas and behavior.

I don't mind people talking about Josh as a person (positively or negatively) but embedding his content here is not necessary and benefits him more than anyone else. I'd rather not do that.
 

Kingpin Rogers

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The thing that annoys me the most in situations like this are all the people trying to defend him (not much here but more on youtube and twitter) what he has said and done is pretty much indefensible. I already know when he posts his response video there will be loads of people cheering him on and it's just frustrating.
 

bahorel

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Thanks for this post op. I wasn't aware of any of this. Ten years ago I watched his Wii videos, and forgot about him until someone posted his picture in here and I remembered. Mad at myself I ever liked his content. Disgusting person
 

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I wasn't suggesting that you were explicitly promoting him, but if his content is being monetized, you are effectively promoting his content by making it more visible and easier for people to access his content.
Don't worry, I get it.

Just that Resetera is a progressive leaning site, and I doubt that curious onlookers will give him more than 30 cents in terms of monetisation. Understanding who he is for me, trumps that.
 

Dernhelm

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That would explain why he thought the need back in the day to have a secret "Dark" Twitter account, and why now he's calling screen caps of his own tweets fabricated lies.
Like I say, pure speculation, but there is a recurring theme at place with online celebs of them having a defence force built seemingly out of recognising the good work he and others do for their own content, and the disconnect of that and the video makers political views.

Sure, a lot of these video makers and streamers are coming more and more out of the woodwork as right wing politics has managed to slot itself back into a lot of aspects of Western (not even just American) political structures, but they have managed to garner a decent career by and large during the YouTube gold-rush of gaming videos, and more recently through Twitch, during which time I've seen nothing to say they generated this kind of bigoted rhetoric over-night. It's been there, as it has been in so many circles, communities and fanbases online, just masked behind a neutral guise of "video games! Yay!". The fact they know it's a damaging perception to have is even more infuriating, they know they are wrong because being too open with your bigotry frequently leads to your supply of attention/cash being cut-off or neutered, so they dial it back when needed.

It's infuriating too, as right there is the crux of how to deal with these people; if they're exposed and have said source of attention/revenue damaged, they fuck off. Ignoring them, or separating their online presence from their work does nothing.
 

Plok64

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Josh has been bad since the Wii Days. The only difference now is he's openly racist and bigoted instead of simply aggressive and less openly racist. He's not going to reconsider any of his opinions, it's not who he is.

He's probably different in his videos because there are no minorities for him to get mad at in his videos.

Yeah the videos I have watched of him have been pretty non-political. At most he would piss people off by being too critical of Nintendo at times.
His social media reveals an entirely different dimension to this guy.

I still have hope that he can change his more bigoted views if he was properly challenged on them. Others here are obviously not as hopeful of that happening.
 
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brainchild

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Thanks for this post op. I wasn't aware of any of this. Ten years ago I watched his Wii videos, and forgot about him until someone posted his picture in here and I remembered. Mad at myself I ever liked his content. Disgusting person

No prob.

I don't think you should beat yourself up about ever having liked his content. It's not like you knew about this stuff, and even if you did, that doesn't preclude you being capable of liking his content. It's fair to say that he's a talented guy. Talented content creators have all types of personalities. Some good, some bad, and some truly ugly.

The important thing is in recognizing how harmful this shit stain is to the gaming community and making sure that everyone knows it.
 

CoL

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It was insane trying to read some of Andre's interactions.

This LonelyGoomba guy instantly jumped to defend Josh Thomas and downplay his racism (Coincidentially LG just got a shout out in that recent JT video it seems)

Andre posted like 10 or so awful racist tweets by JT so LG tries to find the least offensive one, and focused on that to create his argument about how its a popular opinion, an agenda by anti republicans, and downplay the racism.

That's how racists, bigots, and fucked up assholes work, they try to downplay everything as just a political agenda, a witch hunt, or fake outrage. The saddest thing is how it works since they all keep spewing the same nonsense to each other and using it as an argument.

Then there's all the "Keep the politics away" or "I like the content, not his personal views" or "just ignore him so he won't succeed!" replies.

Some asshole flat out spews insane racism and bigotry on his own platforms, and posting images of that is a "witch hunt", "character assassination" or "part of an anti republican agenda"


Fuck all of that, and everyone who tries to downplay, ignore, or condone racism and bigotry.
 
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YuriCloud3

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The witch hunt on Twitter continues. 2018 has been an interesting year so far.
 

potatohead

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How is it so common that racist people post with the grammar and context of a 12 year old brain.

Sometimes I think they are all lead poisoned from an early age and explains their terrible iq.

Then I remember how ingrained these mentalities are in some counties especially in USA and some European places probably too. The corruption of civilization in the west exposed since Trump's election is mind boggling.

Do they not have mirrors or read their own writing? Despicable.
 

NegativeCero

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I've only heard of this guy in this thread and seems like he's trash. I will happily ignore any and all of his content and hope his online presence fades away.
 

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Please reupload the pics to imgur if you can brainchild cubeupload is currently having problems and is stupidly slow, images are loading at 56k speeds for me rn

 

BAN PUNCHER

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Brawlz

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Not gonna lie, TBB does make decent content personally speaking, but as soon as the nonsensical political garbage gets spewed, it gets extremely irritating to watch and/or listen.
 

Yukinari

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I'm confused by this post. Are you saying bigots should be ignored rather than exposed?



Confused again. Is this "two sides are in the wrong" rethoric?.

Im saying it was building up to this for years and that we're just giving josh exactly what he wants. It wasnt news that his attitude and tweets have been shit for years. Even back on gaf.

I imagine if he tried to debate with Destiny like Jon did he would reconsider his life.
 

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Im saying it was building up to this for years and that we're just giving josh exactly what he wants. It wasnt news that his attitude and tweets have been shit for years. Even back on gaf.
By his own admission, calling out this kind of thing is much more damaging than ignoring it. If people just ignored it he may still be a GXplain regular.
 

Khaos Prime

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Not surprised. Dude has been spewing bigoted bullshit since his days on the GoNintendo message boards.
 
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brainchild

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Please reupload the pics to imgur if you can brainchild cubeupload is currently having problems and is stupidly slow, images are loading at 56k speeds for me rn



Resetera broke their damn servers XD

Alright, I'll reupload to imgur. I chose cubeupload because they allow uncompressed images, but clearly this was too much for them to handle.

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Nevermind, that tweet is older than this thread. At least we didn't cause it!
 
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