The fox is an introduced pest to Australia that kills small native wildlife that doesn't have any natural defences because it's never had natural predators like the fox.
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Any interest in a hunting thread?
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It seems like Australia is really good for hunting because there is lots of stuff people would call "a good reason" to hunt.
Can you (as in, the people in here who know this) tell me more about what species are invasive in what places?
They will. Instant death or near to it is better than being chased by 20 something hounds. Stress impacts the quality of any meat, so there's a big incentive to have the animal suffer as little as possible.
There is some info on species here https://ssaa.org.au/hunting/what-you-can-hunt
Buffalo - Northern Queensland and Northern Territory
Deer - Mainly in Victoria in the Highland regions
Pigs - All over Queensland, New South Wales and Northern Territory
Foxes - Everywhere
Goats - All over
Cats - everywhere
Rabbit and boar, we didn't have dogs any of the times I went.
Not my thing but I can respect it unlike just lazily sitting in a tree stand until something wanders by with no chance to fight back or escape besides a missed shot.
That's just stuff you can hunt, right? Surely, not all are invasive species?
Almost all of them are, except the dingoes and waterfowl.
A whole bunch of animals were introduced to Australia. None of them have been good for the environment or native animal populations.
It's actually illegally to hunt most native animals without a specific licence such as kangaroos.
Like killing them with a knife is somehow more virtuous or admirable than killing with a gun. FML. Hunting for sport sucks, period.
Interesting. Could this be considered as hunting for environmental purposes? Can it be seen as a job to help the wildlife from invasive species?
Purely as a layman, I would assume they would consume too much native vegetation and cause car accidents
Bambi's mama is pretty bad for the forest when in too many numbers, like any animal. The ecosystem simply can't handle it.
Over population bring with it a bunch of issues, car-deer accidents among them along with potential starvation and great risk of disease. Largely a human made problem due to our ancestors killing wolf populations.
I went on a Boar hunt in my home village while I was on holiday in Turkey about 5 years ago.
The Boars destroy farms which is the main source of income for the people living in the village so it was more a hunt out of necessity than pleasure but the whole experience was quite awesome.
About 30 or so men went on the hunt. 10 men would round up the boars into a middle area of the mountains by shooting in the air and shouting out calls to direct them while the remaining 20 would all have a place in different areas on different mountains, waiting for the Boars and the right opportunity to take the shot.
Was a proper 8 hour hunt and by the end of it they managed to nab about 5 Boars. Seem to be more arguments and tension at the end of it on how and what they could have done better than any celebration/pleasure.
Definitely a cool experience for me as a 20 year old lad to be involved in a proper hunt that wasn't just for a good time or for food.
The Boars destroy farms which is the main source of income for the people living in the village so it was more a hunt out of necessity than pleasure but the whole experience was quite awesome.
About 30 or so men went on the hunt. 10 men would round up the boars into a middle area of the mountains by shooting in the air and shouting out calls to direct them while the remaining 20 would all have a place in different areas on different mountains, waiting for the Boars and the right opportunity to take the shot.
Was a proper 8 hour hunt and by the end of it they managed to nab about 5 Boars. Seem to be more arguments and tension at the end of it on how and what they could have done better than any celebration/pleasure.
Definitely a cool experience for me as a 20 year old lad to be involved in a proper hunt that wasn't just for a good time or for food.
I agree with you that it still sucks, but at least one way actually takes effort beyond time and cost.
I don't understand why people get weird about something as innately appealing as an easy-to-operate device that can instantly erase your health, your mobility, or even better, your child.
It's like having God's finger. Just point and things go "poof!"
In Australia, definitely.
https://www.ehp.qld.gov.au/wildlife/threats/
That's an awesome story and a great experience.
As someone who's not interested in hunting. But has taken a hunters safety course. It's easy to get outraged at hunting based off some kind of misguided ethics/morals about hunting, pragmatism does often play a part in hunting. But the ecology aspect of it can actually be really important. Sport hunting on the other hand, I genuinely find repulsive.
I honestly wouldn't mind a thread about it though. There's a lot of useful information. Forest and wildlife/Park rangers etc. If we have any here, can probably go into more interesting details.
I honestly wouldn't mind a thread about it though. There's a lot of useful information. Forest and wildlife/Park rangers etc. If we have any here, can probably go into more interesting details.
Uhhh, Australia is an island
Do you think pigs, foxes, goats and such just magically found their way to an isolated part of Earth?
Not magically, no. But I'm on the other side of the world. Do you think there has never been any connection to any of the places having any of these animals now? For all I know, there might have been some common and well adapted ancestor on there, resulting in just another type of pig, for example.
The way you phrased it, you think humans magically found their way there.
My statement was more an exclamation of surprise anyway.
Disclaimer: I have never hunted or held a gun in my life.
Personally, I have no problems with hunting to keep certain populations in check or with the intent of preserving certain habitats.
In fact, I would likely not say no to the experience, seeing as there's probably quite a thrill in tracking and stalking in the outdoors.
I don't condone hunting that's done purely for sport or to drag back a trophy for the wall at home.
As long as it's in line with preservation efforts and done as humanely as possible, I don't see the big deal. Hunting is part of nature.
Personally, I have no problems with hunting to keep certain populations in check or with the intent of preserving certain habitats.
In fact, I would likely not say no to the experience, seeing as there's probably quite a thrill in tracking and stalking in the outdoors.
I don't condone hunting that's done purely for sport or to drag back a trophy for the wall at home.
As long as it's in line with preservation efforts and done as humanely as possible, I don't see the big deal. Hunting is part of nature.
Great story. I wish I had the social disposition to go on a hunt like that.
I know a lot of Gaf/Era has been staunchly opposed to the idea, but hunting can be a very powerful social bonding exercise as shown by our chimpanzee brethren. For example:
Hunting pays for a significant part of nature preservation in the US. The fact fewer people are hunting and more people are spending time outdoor hiking camping etc is actually causing real funding problems.
Isn't that like a normal part of nature? Some species grow in numbers while some shrink and nature will respond accordingly. Then again maybe a species evolving into the point of hunting other species for the purpose of culling numbers is nature responding accordingly.
I really need to look into the hunting laws in my city. I know we can't shoot guns in the city limits but I think bows are legal, at least that's what my neighbor said. They deer around here are just out of control. Pretty much every day I see them in my back yard trying to find a way into my protected landscaping. Last year they ate or trampled all of the landscaping in the front yard, this year we put some thorny bushes up there to dissuade them. Now since more people are protecting their plants the deer have become really aggressive, they are attacking pets and chasing children. I'd love for someone to thin the herd by just setting up camp in my backyard for a morning or two.
Well in the case of deer it's because humans eradicated their natural predators (the wolf) so the population goes unchecked. It has a really negative effect on vegetation. I know here in Scotland there has been a few attempts to reintroduce wolves in certain parts of the highlands but it never went anywhere. There was also a really good documentary on Yellowstone in the US which showed the growth in plant diversity after the wolf was reintroduced.
Yea there is a lot of debate in the outdoor and conservation community about doing that or some type of "rei tax". I didn't realize how important hunting was to funding until I got involved.
I don't get why people are so pissy about hunting. I don't eat meat and have been vegan on and off, and I don't get my panties in a bunch over it, but so many meat eaters do. It's a big wtf to me.
To be fair a lot of invasive\feral species occupy niches left vacant by over-hunting from humans during or after the quartenary extinctions.
Unless you really need the meat from the kill there's not much difference between the two.
Depends on country and species. In Australia wild boars are utterly infested with disease. They need to be hunted and culled here, because they literally kill themselves. They'll wallow in a clean dam, infect the water and make themselves and other animals incredibly sick. They also destroy lots of vegetation. Unfortunately, they need to be hunted.
Most people use rifles or compound bows in conjunction with pigging dogs to hunt them here.
"Need" has nothing to do with the point.
You don't need meat, you choose to eat meat. If you get it from a butcher, supermarket, or you hunt it it's all the same. I'd even go as far to say I respect hunters more as they get their hands dirty and own their kill, and an animal killed in the wild will certainly suffer less than one raised and processed in the modern meat industry.
If you're just hunting to kill something that is sick.
Hunting for sport is not cool. Also, if you really want the thrill of the hunt, then why not use rubber bullets/blunted arrows? You can achieve the same effect, except without the whole murdering part.
I don't understand this. Survivalist?
Hitting a boar with an 80 pounder and a broadhead is basically as destructive as a .308. Do you mean carving your own bow and arrows while out camping and fashioning your own string?
They make "blunted arrows", they're called bludgeon tips. Guess what? They'll still fuck up most animals they hit. They'll usually kill rabbits, foxes and birds outright. I think shooting an animal with rubber bullets with no intent to kill would never be allowed. In my state you need a valid reason when applying for your hunting and rifle licenses, "pleasure" not being one of them.
Nah, I need it
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If I lived in the US or somewhere else where it's easy to get a gun I'd own one, but for target practice. I wouldn't shoot living things though. I get that some animal numbers need to be controlled and I respect that. Trophy hunters or people that shoot animals for pleasure can burn in a house fire though for all I care.
My point is that in neither cases you don't need to hunt. You choose to hunt because you enjoy the process. The kill is then used however you wish, either as gourmet food or a trophy on the wall (often both). For the animal it's all the same, it was killed because the hunter wanted to hunt.
Other motives are more justified ethically like hunting meat because it's scarce, lowering the population of a certain harmful species and so on. My grandparents hunted because meat was expensive and harder to come by. For me hunting would be purely an interesting activity and the food a delicacy.
Looks like it's going about as well as a gun thread would.
I don't hunt but I understand the benefit of doing so when following the seasonal guidelines. It's important for the ecosystem for some species to have their numbers culled.
I don't hunt but I understand the benefit of doing so when following the seasonal guidelines. It's important for the ecosystem for some species to have their numbers culled.
I like fishing for trouts in ireland or other resorts. Being in the wild is awesome, even without fishing. I eat all of my fish if its bin enough. I don't know if o would try hunting with a rifle, but i love wild meat and i appreciate the work that hunters and rangers do for keeping the ecosystem intact. Hunting for trophies i think isnt necessery.
Ok, I was just guessing about a name that sounded right when I said "blunted arrows," but I obviously meant some form of arrow that doesn't kill any animal. Maybe an arrow with foam on the tip of it like a nerf gun has. Or better yet, a camera.