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New NYT Editorial Hire Under Fire for Past Tweets
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Some are clearly obvious jokes
However some are not even about racism it's just insulting people then waving hey it's a joke
They are at various dates cross multiple years and only one was a response
OP need more context for those who does not follow her
I hate this witch hunt with Twitter though so silly and stupid because they are old tweets too
Yes this is extremely confusing
everybody rushing to condemn some woman for her goofy Twitter takes suddenly when she gets a new job
Get a grip folks
User banned (3 days): concern trolling, arguing in bad faith
See, your post is effective social commentary. I wish she would make Tweets like that...instead of mean statements like "I think white people should be marginalized and discriminated against." I can obviously see how they're satire, but it also could have been handled much more deftly. Stooping to that level doesn't help any sort of discourse because at their core they are fundamentally mean statements that accomplish nothing except promote toxicity. They're not humorous, they don't intelligently convey a point, so why bother posting them?
Why not use a few more words to add some nuance to your argument and promote awareness?
Like instead of:
"I WISH WHITE PEOPLE WOULD BE ARRESTED MORE OFTEN."
How about:
"It's a sorry state in our society when black men can't move into an apartment building without having the police called on them for suspected trepassing."
Which one accomplishes more? The latter. What does the inflammatory, mean statement do? Absolutely nothing except shock people...and little else.
I care greatly about the struggles that minorities and women face every day. I know they are profound and I know that as a white woman I am privileged by not having to deal with this shit on a daily basis. I just think we can do better than promoting this kind of inflammatory, mean statement as acceptable and encouraged no matter how it manifests. Luckily, our society as a whole is much more conscious and aware because of the hard work of the progressive movement...but we certainly have a long way to go and there are many areas that we have regressed. I just don't think shocking white people with inflammatory statements really does anything, to be honest. It certainly didn't do anything for me. Is the answer to vitriol...more vitriol?
Her bad jokes are also just...mean:
When did we as a society become so mean? This applies especially to all the people who have harassed her on a daily basis. It just makes me so sad.
Looking at the tweets side-by-side, the schtick is pretty clear: "this is what you idiots sound like" basically. Seems pretty on point too.
Truth. My eyes can't roll back in my head far enough at people taking offense to these.
spend your whole career getting shit on by white men at the level she has been and see if you're still so touchy about meanness onlineSee, your post is effective social commentary. I wish she would make Tweets like that...instead of mean statements like "I think white people should be marginalized and discriminated against." I can obviously see how they're satire, but it also could have been handled much more deftly. Stooping to that level doesn't help any sort of discourse because at their core they are fundamentally mean statements that accomplish nothing except promote toxicity. They're not humorous, they don't intelligently convey a point, so why bother posting them?
Why not use a few more words to add some nuance to your argument and promote awareness?
Like instead of:
"I WISH WHITE PEOPLE WOULD BE ARRESTED MORE OFTEN."
How about:
"It's a sorry state in our society when black men can't move into an apartment building without having the police called on them for suspected trepassing."
Which one accomplishes more? The latter. What does the inflammatory, mean statement do? Absolutely nothing except shock people...and little else.
I care greatly about the struggles that minorities and women face every day. I know they are profound and I know that as a white woman I am privileged by not having to deal with this shit on a daily basis. I just think we can do better than promoting this kind of inflammatory, mean statement as acceptable and encouraged no matter how it manifests. Luckily, our society as a whole is much more conscious and aware because of the hard work of the progressive movement...but we certainly have a long way to go and there are many areas that we have regressed. I just don't think shocking white people with inflammatory statements really does anything, to be honest. It certainly didn't do anything for me. Is the answer to vitriol...more vitriol?
Her bad jokes are also just...mean:
When did we as a society become so mean? This applies especially to all the people who have harassed her on a daily basis. It just makes me so sad.
Her bad jokes are also just...mean:
When did we as a society become so mean? This applies especially to all the people who have harassed her on a daily basis. It just makes me so sad.
i can give you a precise answer for when and why people have gotten that mean
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Being trans must have increased my resistance to this 'racism.'
I apply sunscreen everyday so I can live above ground :p
I apply sunscreen everyday so I can live above ground :p
These were all written at a time when Twitter posts were limited to 140 characters.
Well reasoned posts like that also only get read by a willing audience. People who call her a dog eating gook are not going to read anything she writes unless it has shock value.
And lastly, why is it a requirement to be polite to people who view you as subhuman?
I guess I just don't see stuff like this helping. The right is only going to see a liberal journalist tweeting these out and their going to use that as ammunition to feed to their base.
Off topic, but what is your avatar from, I sworn I've seen it change to other cyclops characters
I know, I'm calling out their hypocrisy for acknowledging that the alt-right is using Gamer-Gate-like tactics to get this journalist fired, yet they won't acknowledge the racism of their own writers. That, and they side with the Israeli government in light of all their atrocities.
They still ain't shit
white fragility is more powerful than the strong nuclear force
fyi, for some of us this is not even close to register as being mean at all.
I'll be honest, it took a lot of reading and lurking before I felt like I somewhat understood the nuance in this story. I feel this is particularly important because to the average person, the perceived hypocrisy over this situation is obvious. Also, for everyone wondering where certain posters were during instances of racism, I think it's possible that apparent hypocrisy is more likely to be called out than agreement on something that is universally considered abhorrent. I did not participate in threads concerning Roseanne because I felt that her words were obviously terrible. Most people seemed to agree, and she was punished for it. I don't think I would have added anything by providing my own commentary.
This scenario, however, is different. I think people posting now may be calling out the hypocrisy that wasn't apparent in previous threads about Roseanne or similar stories. In fact, I was really struggling to come to terms with it myself when I first saw the topic. Those Tweets were gross to me. I thought the very things that a lot of you describe as disingenuous. Things like "What if roles were reversed? Her apology is basically 'it's just joke,' something we have ridiculed white men for saying. " I wouldn't have been okay if a white male said these things about black people, so how could I be okay with her saying these things? Indeed, I felt like a hypocrite. I was struggling to come to terms with my own perceived hypocrisy.
Even now I would find it difficult to put into words why this situation is different from others. However, that person who still believes it to be hypocrisy still exists. A great many of them do. And I don't think that belief is malicious. Perhaps it is just ignorance. I read a lot of sarcastic remarks such as "I guess racism against white people doesn't exist" or "sexism against men doesn't exist." Even now I don't know what to say to those remarks. Anyway, that's my two cents. Stories like this only further the divide between people. And it's not like everyone who is condemning her is a bad person. I think the nuance is just lost on people. I consider myself progressive and on the left side of politics (at least as I understand it to be), and even I thought I was being hypocritical when my initial reaction to this story was "it's different for her."
The perceived hypocrisy will just be the main takeaway most people get from this, I fear.
This scenario, however, is different. I think people posting now may be calling out the hypocrisy that wasn't apparent in previous threads about Roseanne or similar stories. In fact, I was really struggling to come to terms with it myself when I first saw the topic. Those Tweets were gross to me. I thought the very things that a lot of you describe as disingenuous. Things like "What if roles were reversed? Her apology is basically 'it's just joke,' something we have ridiculed white men for saying. " I wouldn't have been okay if a white male said these things about black people, so how could I be okay with her saying these things? Indeed, I felt like a hypocrite. I was struggling to come to terms with my own perceived hypocrisy.
Even now I would find it difficult to put into words why this situation is different from others. However, that person who still believes it to be hypocrisy still exists. A great many of them do. And I don't think that belief is malicious. Perhaps it is just ignorance. I read a lot of sarcastic remarks such as "I guess racism against white people doesn't exist" or "sexism against men doesn't exist." Even now I don't know what to say to those remarks. Anyway, that's my two cents. Stories like this only further the divide between people. And it's not like everyone who is condemning her is a bad person. I think the nuance is just lost on people. I consider myself progressive and on the left side of politics (at least as I understand it to be), and even I thought I was being hypocritical when my initial reaction to this story was "it's different for her."
The perceived hypocrisy will just be the main takeaway most people get from this, I fear.
See, your post is effective social commentary. I wish she would make Tweets like that...instead of mean statements like "I think white people should be marginalized and discriminated against." I can obviously see how they're satire, but it also could have been handled much more deftly. Stooping to that level doesn't help any sort of discourse because at their core they are fundamentally mean statements that accomplish nothing except promote toxicity. They're not humorous, they don't intelligently convey a point, so why bother posting them?
Why not use a few more words to add some nuance to your argument and promote awareness?
Like instead of:
"I WISH WHITE PEOPLE WOULD BE ARRESTED MORE OFTEN."
How about:
"It's a sorry state in our society when black men can't move into an apartment building without having the police called on them for suspected trepassing."
Which one accomplishes more? The latter. What does the inflammatory, mean statement do? Absolutely nothing except shock people...and little else.
I care greatly about the struggles that minorities and women face every day. I know they are profound and I know that as a white woman I am privileged by not having to deal with this shit on a daily basis. I just think we can do better than promoting this kind of inflammatory, mean statement as acceptable and encouraged no matter how it manifests. Luckily, our society as a whole is much more conscious and aware because of the hard work of the progressive movement...but we certainly have a long way to go and there are many areas that we have regressed. I just don't think shocking white people with inflammatory statements really does anything, to be honest. It certainly didn't do anything for me. Is the answer to vitriol...more vitriol?
Her bad jokes are also just...mean:
When did we as a society become so mean? This applies especially to all the people who have harassed her on a daily basis. It just makes me so sad.
TBH I'm not seeing people encouraging this and saying more people should do this.
All I'm seeing is, no, this is not what it's being made out to be by the alt-right.
*edit: And a whole lot of people laughing at people who are actually offended by satire.
Like "LOL can't believe you're waving a pitchfork at Swift because you think he actually wants to eat your kid"
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Skipping a ton of what should have a proper retort to cut just to this part and laugh out loud. When has this society not been "mean" or murderous to the minority population?
Motherfuckers can give it all day every day while others turn a blind eye to it. But fire one shot back and it's *shock* How dare she!!!
Hey this is exactly what some of us warned would happen with the Jessica Price and James Gunn firings. Corporations continue to empower fascist silencing of dissent by refusing to call out these scumbags for what they are.
Don't want to surprise you but "giving them ammunition" literally does not matter because literally anything can be used as ammunition by the right, including things they literally made up.
I've lost my ability to can. I no longer can. I cannot. I can't.
Why do minorities have to worry about their tone and educating racists effectively
If you're Boogie you should ask the mods for a tag or something
"Because you catch more flies with honey than vinegar."
And then you remind them that flies eat shit.
First, stop assuming that the right wing needs help to act in bad faith.
Second, not everything that everybody does in their life is meant to be fodder for your political goals. Or even theirs.
"But the evidence that HBD proponents adduce shows only that different genetic populations are just that: different. That's certainly not news to geneticists, and it's rather intuitive for the rest of us. Yet on HBD blogs across the web, the data analyses of world-class geneticists are held up as evidence that races exist, and that these differences are, to varying degrees, worthy of social and legal regulation. Whereas their eugenicist predecessors might have wielded calipers to log the variances in skull circumference between individuals, adherents to human biodiversity justify their racism on the similarly shaky ground of genome variance.
These writers are, for the most part, long on "evidence" and short on policy: They seem to simply accumulate colorful charts and tables of raw genomic data as if a preponderance of graphics and spreadsheets proves the existence of races."
to be more direct about it, that's what she was satirizing with her "correlation between whiteness and bad smell" bad chart
These writers are, for the most part, long on "evidence" and short on policy: They seem to simply accumulate colorful charts and tables of raw genomic data as if a preponderance of graphics and spreadsheets proves the existence of races."
to be more direct about it, that's what she was satirizing with her "correlation between whiteness and bad smell" bad chart
1) In the sea of shit that's the internet, it's difficult to be heard unless you're provocative. Most of her posts have barely a hundred retweets at most, she's no dril.
2) It's her free time and she can choose to use it how she intends to. I say much worse things in other places. I recognize that she's venting her frustrations, and this is not what she does primarily to "fight the system".
Stop giving a fuck what the right sees. They're stupid garbage.
The alt-right actually kind of want people to publicly defend her so they can sit back and claim the left is hypocritical about these things.
I mean, the don't really care if she is fired or not. Yeah her tweets are stupid. Why do people keep falling for their tactics.
"A girl was just talking shit about her abusive ex. When did relationships get so bad?"
(Not trying to be mean Aqua but I'm struggling to see your point)
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