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Pomerlaw

Erarboreal
Banned
Feb 25, 2018
8,536
It's easy to shit on Bezos and yes, I sometimes do, this is a insane amount of money and Amazon workers are not paid enough.

But if you guys want a fix, you will need to vote people in who will fix the tax code, and not another hypocrite like Trump who just gave them another tax relief.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,255
Midgar, With Love
I'm still thankful he stepped in and saved The Expanse, but there is pretty much nothing else nice that I can say about a person who has this kind of money but can't be arsed to supply his workers with liveable wage or, uh, bathroom breaks.

And while The Expanse is my favorite show on TV right now, I don't think it's some great sacrifice for me to say that I'd gladly trade it in for those folks to have better working conditions.
 

nightwatcher

Banned
Nov 4, 2017
412
Its his money, he can do whatever he wants. stop being so salty. People shouldn't work fo amazon if they have issue with wage or working conditions.

Instead of complaining about Bezos, people should take it up to government to get rid of tax avoidance loopholes. He is just smart at what he does. Not commiting any crime.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,255
Midgar, With Love
Its his money, he can do whatever he wants. stop being so salty. People shouldn't work fo amazon if they have issue with wage or working conditions.

Instead of complaining about Bezos, people should take it up to government to get rid of tax avoidance loopholes. He is just smart at what he does. Not commiting any crime.

Wow.
 

Jecht

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,650
It's easy to shit on Bezos and yes, I sometimes do, this is a insane amount of money and Amazon workers are not paid enough.

But if you guys want a fix, you will need to vote people in who will fix the tax code, and not another hypocrite like Trump who just gave them another tax relief.


Yeah, you're right, it's our fault this dragon is hoarding the gold.
 

Torpedo Vegas

Member
Oct 27, 2017
22,596
Parts Unknown.
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nightwatcher

Banned
Nov 4, 2017
412

So many people here have double standard, Era loves to hate FB and Zuck But the dude has committed to donate 99% of his net worth to charity. Yet he gets so much shit for shitty business practices.

So i don't for a second that even if Bezos increases everyone's wage will be enough for you guys to bashing him.
 

danm999

Member
Oct 29, 2017
17,096
Sydney
Its his money, he can do whatever he wants. stop being so salty. People shouldn't work fo amazon if they have issue with wage or working conditions.

Instead of complaining about Bezos, people should take it up to government to get rid of tax avoidance loopholes. He is just smart at what he does. Not commiting any crime.

They can't. Amazon lobbies state and Federal governments to block attempts to improve wages, working conditions, taxation or generally any regulation that affects their business.

Amazon and Bezos wealth, and that of those like them, is in no smart part a product of the paralysis they inflict politically on any attempts to improve things for people working for them.
 

danm999

Member
Oct 29, 2017
17,096
Sydney
So many people here have double standard, Era loves to hate FB and Zuck But the dude has committed to donate 99% of his net worth to charity. Yet he gets so much shit for shitty business practices.

So i don't for a second that even if Bezos increases everyone's wage will be enough for you guys to bashing him.

"Committed to donate" means shit, at the moment he's worth billions as a result of "shitty business practices" and he's still got a hold of it.

The hypocrisy you're ascribing to everyone here is pretty easy to shoot down as well. How much shit do Warren Buffet and Bill Gates get around here?
 

TheZodiacAge

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
1,068
Absolutely amazing

Just being in his position for 1 day and linking your bank account would set you and your next few generations for a life full of joy without the need to work a single day.
 

Theodran

Member
Oct 25, 2017
927
Japan
To put this into perspective, he could fund the development of 180 ASAP titles ($50m) each year and still make 2 billion dollars a year.
 

Frozenprince

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,158
This is something that reminds me of what one of these wealthy corporate guys said in an interview in a documentary i was watching. It's that no matter how much money you have, you can only really buy so much. You only need to many pairs of clothes, you only can go out to eat so many times or drink oh so many fine wines, you only sleep with a few pillows, on a single bed. You have a finite reach wherein your vast wealth that you continuously accumulate is actually viable to spend through and "contribute to the economy" which is why the pole shift to the myth of the almighty "job creator" was done. Because it's clear as day that once you pass a certain threshold, it's functionally impossible barring you being deliriously stupid with your money to ever lose your fortune.

Once your "money makes money" then you're in an infinite loop where the only things you can ever actually spend money on and feel adequate returns on are the absurd, lavishly hedonistic excesses of the hyper wealthy. Which don't contribute to the economy and don't actually impact the day to day lives of the common people.

Even if you diffuse the excess money from the top 1% while allowing them to retain the base wealth, I.E. once your money making passes a certain threshold where it's no longer feasible that you could be markedly damaged from losing this additional income, should be taxed or redistributed.

Wealth concentration doesn't help the economy other than making the fancy GDP number look better on paper. But there really is no reason that these hyper wealthy demagogues like the Koch brothers should be so single mindedly obsessed with the acquisition of more wealth, because they literally cannot spend all of it in their lifetimes, their childrens lifetimes, or even several generations down. There need to be hard, hard incentives against the monstrous accumulation of wealth.
 

zoukka

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
2,361
Wealth concentration doesn't help the economy other than making the fancy GDP number look better on paper. But there really is no reason that these hyper wealthy demagogues like the Koch brothers should be so single mindedly obsessed with the acquisition of more wealth, because they literally cannot spend all of it in their lifetimes, their childrens lifetimes, or even several generations down. There need to be hard, hard incentives against the monstrous accumulation of wealth.

Then again if you have been doing business for your whole life, it's quite hard to stop even if you aren't "required" to do it for survival purposes. These insanely driven people can't just suddenly stop and start to golf full time once they reach a certain treshold of wealth.

I agree on incentives for preventing billions staying in someone's pocket, our version of capitalism is a little more socialist here in finland.
 

Frozenprince

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,158
Then again if you have been doing business for your whole life, it's quite hard to stop even if you aren't "required" to do it for survival purposes. These insanely driven people can't just suddenly stop and start to golf full time once they reach a certain treshold of wealth.

I agree on incentives for preventing billions staying in someone's pocket, our version of capitalism is a little more socialist here in finland.
You give them other things to do, you focus their drive and passion beyond simply making their bank account even bigger simply for the fact of "well I can so I will". I mean you could functionally tax the top-1000 people in the 1% 85-95% of their earnings every year and they wouldn't even notice. But that money would make a huge difference in funding.
 

zoukka

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
2,361
You give them other things to do, you focus their drive and passion beyond simply making their bank account even bigger simply for the fact of "well I can so I will". I mean you could functionally tax the top-1000 people in the 1% 85-95% of their earnings every year and they wouldn't even notice. But that money would make a huge difference in funding.

How would anyone react to some divine authority suddenly telling you what you can do?

I mean you could functionally tax the top-1000 people in the 1% 85-95% of their earnings every year and they wouldn't even notice.

That's easy to say, but of course false. Wealth is relative after a certain point. I'm sure someone from a 3rd world country could look at my income and say almost the same. Give him 50% of my income so he can be rich where he lives and I'll still retain a very good standard of living.
 

Doukou

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,526
So many people here have double standard, Era loves to hate FB and Zuck But the dude has committed to donate 99% of his net worth to charity. Yet he gets so much shit for shitty business practices.

So i don't for a second that even if Bezos increases everyone's wage will be enough for you guys to bashing him.

Good old shitty business practices like avoiding billions of tax money with help of Russians, leaking over 50 million users info without consent breaking many countries privacy laws, kept it hidden for three years too and arguably affected the US election. All for profit.
Why does nobody like this ambitious man? He might donate to charity enough money to cover the amount he got from avoiding taxes/selling peoples info.
 

Gargantua

Banned
May 8, 2018
228
Can someone please explain why a business man like this with plenty of wealth doesn't want his company to be a "dream workplace"?
A place everyone would like to work in because the salary is fair and the work doesn't resemble slavery in the 21st century (like we see in many places today?)

I don't know: is there maybe a scientific research explaining that a sad | unhappy | angry worker produces more wealth than a happy one?
 

zoukka

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
2,361
This could be avoided if human nature were not what it is, but we are who we are and evolution has privileged the unreasonably greedy apparently. :/

Are you arguing that if we would take the top businessmen of the world and did a study on their personality and IQ we would find out it's greed that enabled them to create these companies?
 

J-Skee

The Wise Ones
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,102
Well, LeBron James just built a whole ass public school for at-risk kids, to which he spent $8 million of his supposed $440 million fortune. I see that Jeff Bez donated $33 million to TheDream.us, which is amazing, but I'm sure he could do a lot more.
 

Maneil99

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
5,252
There is really no moral argument for anyone to be making more then a million per year. Anything in excess should be 100% taxed. Of course every country would have to do that.
 

illamap

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
466
There is really no moral argument for anyone to be making more then a million per year. Anything in excess should be 100% taxed. Of course every country would have to do that.

Thats one way to stop all investment in sciences, medical etc. New ventures. It would also make any company with profit larger than 1 million impossible to operate. I guess by logic we should move this money to poor people to further over population and consumption to scorch Earth dry.
 

Maneil99

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
5,252
Thats one way to stop all investment in sciences, medical etc. New ventures. It would also make any company with profit larger than 1 million impossible to operate. I guess by logic we should move this money to poor people to further over population and consumption to scorch Earth dry.
Idk how you got tax the rich to scorch earth dry. If the US implants a heavy tax on the rich and provides basic income and larger federal grants you would see a more eco friendly and efficient United States. The poor tend to be the least eco friendly. And when people have guaranteed income they are more likely to come up with new ideas. Capitalism is what's destroying the planet, idk how you think we are going to fix the mess we are in by letting the wealthy and powerful dig their heels in.

Also income tends to correlate with birth rates. If you wanna stop overpopulation the answer is $$.
 

PMS341

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt-account
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
6,634
Can someone please explain why a business man like this with plenty of wealth doesn't want his company to be a "dream workplace"?
A place everyone would like to work in because the salary is fair and the work doesn't resemble slavery in the 21st century (like we see in many places today?)

I don't know: is there maybe a scientific research explaining that a sad | unhappy | angry worker produces more wealth than a happy one?

There is scientific research supporting the opposite, but happy employees often comes at the cost of profit, which to most businesses, unfortunately, is the bottom line. Corporations, to them, are more important than people.
 

Cornbread78

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,850
Northeast USA
There is really no moral argument for anyone to be making more then a million per year. Anything in excess should be 100% taxed. Of course every country would have to do that.

Completely disagree. The man has every right to make as much as he wants. What can be done is him being called out for is creating a work environment within his company that his employees work in fear of their jobs with $itty conditions. A Union doesn't need to come in and make things worse for the company, he needs to work with the other department heads to change the corporate environment and share the wealth through profit sharing to create better conditions and lives for his employees and their families. Wall-mart still fails at this, but at least they make an effort to with profit sharing and their new college funding programs...
 

hibikase

User requested ban
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
6,820
Its his money, he can do whatever he wants. stop being so salty. People shouldn't work fo amazon if they have issue with wage or working conditions.

Instead of complaining about Bezos, people should take it up to government to get rid of tax avoidance loopholes. He is just smart at what he does. Not commiting any crime.

The fuck. Are you a Trump supporter?
 

Pancracio17

▲ Legend ▲
Avenger
Oct 29, 2017
18,709
Completely disagree. The man has every right to make as much as he wants. What can be done is him being called out for is creating a work environment within his company that his employees work in fear of their jobs with $itty conditions. A Union doesn't need to come in and make things worse for the company, he needs to work with the other department heads to change the corporate environment and share the wealth through profit sharing to create better conditions and lives for his employees and their families. Wall-mart still fails at this, but at least they make an effort to with profit sharing and their new college funding programs...
But he wont, thats why unions exist.
These type of people take all the inches and dont give a single one back, you can clearly see this by all the corners he cuts just to make a tiny bit more money.
 

captive

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,991
Houston
Do people really think the money to pay workers comes or should come from the personal wealth of the founder and CEO of a publicly traded company? I'm not even sure how that would work if he wanted to donate that large of an amount to the company.
What kind of dumbass question is this?

People are simply saying he should pay his workers better, then he wouldn't have 150 billion, maybe he would have 125 billion but his workers would have better. Is he really "working" that much harder than all his AWS engineers? No, probably not
 

mrmoose

Member
Nov 13, 2017
21,175
What kind of dumbass question is this?

People are simply saying he should pay his workers better, then he wouldn't have 150 billion, maybe he would have 125 billion but his workers would have better. Is he really "working" that much harder than all his AWS engineers? No, probably not

His personal wealth, tied up in Amazon stock since he's the founder of the company, has no correlation to what his employees get paid, though? How is that hard to understand? Sure he can donate money to them if he wanted to, I guess, is there a precedent for that somewhere?

Like I said before, if the argument was Amazon has record profits and should pay their employees more, sure, that makes a ton of sense. Saying that Bezos is rich and thus Amazon shouldn't raise the price of Prime or should pay their workers more... I mean I understand there's a correlation between how the company does and the stock price but decisions aren't made just for Bezos's stake in the company going up.
 

gozu

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,315
America
Are you arguing that if we would take the top businessmen of the world and did a study on their personality and IQ we would find out it's greed that enabled them to create these companies?

I'm saying those top businessmen (but i was mostly thinking about heirs of family fortunes who just get insanely rich doing absolutely nothing, living off capital gains), but yeah, I'm saying that if you took all those people and performed a massive Eddie murphy's "Trading Places" operation:

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...nothing would change. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Even if the poor people remember where they come for years and decades, their children or grandchildren born in wealth will not, and we'll end up with more social inequality.
 

Azzanadra

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,804
Canada
So many people here have double standard, Era loves to hate FB and Zuck But the dude has committed to donate 99% of his net worth to charity. Yet he gets so much shit for shitty business practices.

So i don't for a second that even if Bezos increases everyone's wage will be enough for you guys to bashing him.

I think part of the problem is that ever since 2016, GAF/ERA sees everything through the lens of Trump.

Facebook's laissez-faire approach to news helped Trump win so Zuck is a bad guy even though Zuck is philanthropic.

Bezos is a greedy bastard on the other hand but he owns WaPo (which is popular with Democrats) and has some sort of beef with Trump, so he is a very good guy.