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Zen

The Wise Ones
Member
Nov 1, 2017
9,657
This guy could single handedly pull a third world nation out of misery if he wanted.
 

Elrid

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,145
Hasn't amazon lost money for most of their existence?

That used to be the story and I had respect for him putting everything into the business, but then.... bam! He's the richest mofo and his employees can't take a decent shit?? The Amazon story is amazing and he deserves much credit, but again come on it doesn't have to be this way.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,555
How about letting your employees take a piss break? Or treating them like human beings? Or fucking pay for the god damn medication for the people who get mangled at your god damn warehouses? Just a thought.
 
Oct 27, 2017
683
Hording wealth is an addiction. I firmly believe that once many people get to a certain level of wealth, the pursuit of more becomes as dangerous of an addiction as gambling or alcohol.

This man could easily fix Puerto Rico, give flint Michigan clean water, house every homeless person in his state, and still have tons of money left over. The kind of money a man like him has is what 100 humans working with no expenses might be able to accumulate in 10 lifetimes. This is wrong and this kind of situation should never have been allowed to happen
 

Untzillatx

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,375
Basque Country
He gets to sit on his ever growing fortune while his own workers have to piss in plastic bottles and sleep in their cars. That's capitalism in its truest and most final form.
 

Kirblar

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
30,744
Hording wealth is an addiction. I firmly believe that once many people get to a certain level of wealth, the pursuit of more becomes as dangerous of an addiction as gambling or alcohol.

This man could easily fix Puerto Rico, give flint Michigan clean water, house every homeless person in his state, and still have tons of money left over. The kind of money a man like him has is what 100 humans working with no expenses might be able to accumulate in 10 lifetimes. This is wrong and this kind of situation should never have been allowed to happen
Is he hoarding when most of the wealth is tied into ownership of a company he's actively managing and is growing?

Amazon famously reinvested its profits into its own business for eons and had a low on-paper profit margin because of it. That's a good thing. That's what has gotten the wealth creation to this point.

You absolutely should be taxing Bezos/Amazon appropriately and using it for society's benefit. But it's not a bad thing that some people like to grow businesses.
 

tommy7154

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,370
That's filthy. He could literally pay every single one of his ~600k employees an extra $200 per week, and still be accumulating wealth.

Even $150 per week for a lower paid employee would be huge. That's $600 every month.
 
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Oct 30, 2017
707
The most immoral part of Bezos to me is that he's the richest businessman and second richest person in the world since John D. Rockefeller, and yet he's done absolutely nothing with his personal wealth.

Rockefeller hated worker's rights even more than Bezos, but at least he had the decency to donate shitloads of money to causes that actually helped people in tangible ways.
 
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Alice

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
5,867
It's saddening, that his "problem" can be solved by just paying his employees more money, and actively hiring more people so they don't need to work such draconic shifts...
 

ishan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,192
He made the company ppl willingly get employed I don't get this backlash against self made billionaires .
 

Doukou

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,526
He made the company ppl willingly get employed I don't get this backlash against self made billionaires .

Get big off illegal worker conditions.
Offer cheaper prices putting local/other competitors out of business.
Get tax breaks to bring jobs to states.
Amazon becomes only place hiring.
Go back to first line.

Hell the article specifies all of this.
 

ishan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,192
Get big off illegal worker conditions.
Offer cheaper prices putting local/other competitors out of business.
Get tax breaks to bring jobs to states.
Amazon becomes only place hiring.
Go back to first line.

Hell the article specifies all of this.
the only this illegal out of this list is get big off illegal workers.
The rest is all business.
EDIT business is not moral or immoral or ethical its just business.
 

zoukka

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
2,361
Get big off illegal worker conditions.
Offer cheaper prices putting local/other competitors out of business.
Get tax breaks to bring jobs to states.
Amazon becomes only place hiring.
Go back to first line.

Hell the article specifies all of this.

Shitty and legal. Is the problem the companies explpiting the system or the system allowing for such exploits?
 

Doukou

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,526
the only this illegal out of this list is get big off illegal workers.
The rest is all business.
EDIT business is not moral or immoral or ethical its just business.
Well yah? The whole point is that his business has illegal worker conditions, thereby making his whole business immoral.
Shitty and legal. Is the problem the companies explpiting the system or the system allowing for such exploits?
It's not legal.
Just cause Amazon has enough money to either outbid the opposer or settle doesn't mean it's not legal, I can read it myself and come to the conclusion.
The problem of course relies in the system. But just like slavery, econmic gap in Paris etc. we're all problems with a system doesn't mean slavers/bourgeoisie aren't immoral.
 
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ishan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,192
literally half the world was shitting on bill gates roughly 15 years back now that he donated all his wealth we all love him. Business is business .
 

ishan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,192
Well yah? The whole point is that his business has illegal worker conditions, thereby making his whole business immoral.
illegal worker conditions? If thats proven then you have lawsuits etc I dont particularly care if a business is immoral no real business is moral per say . Have you thought it through? How are you going to do it? Stock options every person. How do you evaluate who gets what ? Are we all equal if so shouldnt the founders get more ?

These are not simple issues. Its very easy to rail against rich without thinking as opposed to work these issues out .
 

Doukou

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,526
illegal worker conditions? If thats proven then you have lawsuits etc I dont particularly care if a business is immoral no real business is moral per say . Have you thought it through? How are you going to do it? Stock options every person. How do you evaluate who gets what ? Are we all equal if so shouldnt the founders get more ?

These are not simple issues. Its very easy to rail against rich without thinking as opposed to work these issues out .

They have goddamn lawsuits talked about in the article.
 

ishan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,192
They have goddamn lawsuits talked about in the article.

They have goddam lawsuits talked about in the article.
well then fine let the lawsuits play out. If they have merit amazon will pay up/change practices. The rest is immaterial as far a business is concerned to me.
 

ishan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,192
Additionally with automation imo these lawsuits wont be an issue they'll pay out and automate warehouses. so its a temporary issue imo.....

Im personally of the opinion that taxes on rich should be raised, but more importantly im also of the opinion ubi needs to become a thing soon. I am not of the opinion of railing against the rich just cause theyre rich and they dont pay you as much as you think they should.
 

zoukka

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
2,361
The problem is the companies corrupting and infecting the system with moneyhat lobbying and generalized corruption.

I see but corruption is always a systemic problem, the individual organizations offering the bribes is something you can never get rid of. You can build a system that is more resilient to bribe.
 

ishan

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,192
this position only makes sense if you don't think about it all

what do you think the slave trade was bro
thats conflating a human rights issue with a financial issue. But sure lets go down that road. What in your opinion is an ideal pay to an employee? In a multinational high value corporation? You havent thought it through. If we conflate such issues then we get into the argument of socialism vs capitalism . That is a whole other can of worms. Pure socialism angle not nordic socialist democracy angle.
 

Dragonelite

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
544
This value from his Amazon stock right not what he has on his bank account?

Revenue numbers and profits is a better indicator what Amazon can give extra to their employers.
 

Doukou

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,526
thats conflating a human rights issue with a financial issue. But sure lets go down that road. What in your opinion is an ideal pay to an employee? In a multinational high value corporation? You havent thought it through.

You haven't thought it through.
Do humans have the right to go to the bathroom, to not get unrinary infections? To not die? To take breaks?