Bound is a really good/charming game. You are in for a treat!
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Bound is a really good/charming game. You are in for a treat!
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Yes. that's right. It's a specific method that Sony refers to as "geometry rendering" (I don't know if that's a general term of art, or something specific to them). The idea is that the geometry of the actual meshes is rendered at a high resolution, while the surfaces are rendered at a lower resolution. You get edges, shapes, and object details as sharp as 4K, but requiring a lot less resources. The tradeoff is that textures, shaders, and other non-geometric art is not improved versus your standard res. Since surfaces take up a lot of the screen, this can be a pretty big loss. So generally the method has been used only sparingly, for remasters and for games that rely much more on solid colors and geometry than on textures for their look: Bound, RESOGUN, and so forth.
South Park already fits that category, but it actually has an even better situation. The show itself renders a lot of surface detail using geometry. That is, instead of drawing buttons, belts, and designs on the characters as textures, those things are actually flat polygons in the character model. This game uses the same rigs as the show (though the last one didn't), so a lot of what would have been blurry texture detail in a typical "geometry rendered" game ends up actually 4K-sharp geometric detail in this one. Where true drawn textures are used, like for animating mouths, some spell effects, etc. you can see they're lower res.
Thanks for the suggestion! There's actually already a couple sentences in the FAQ discussing screenshot needs, but I could theoretically make it even more explicit. I didn't do that before on the thought that too many regulations might scare off potential contributors ("what if I post it wrong?"). Maybe that's incorrect and some more clarity would entice people. I definitely could use a lot more contributions--most of my research time is spent just looking for screenshots.
So what do people think? Would you be more likely to share shots if there was a how-to section in the OP?
Thanks for the info! This geometry rendering sounds really interesting
Bound renders in 1080p with 8xMSAA, this gives full 4k edges with 2xMSAA.
Result may be bt different from the ID buffer version of geometric rendering. (1080p color with 4k Z and ID-buffer.)
Is not that drastic on Wolfenstein either. According to VG Tech the game rarely hits 4K on its dynamic setup. Not that I care tho, as I'd rather play Wolf2 on a totally silent console like the X instead of a noisy mess like the Pro
MSAA is the best type of AA right? I know FXAA is like the standard I believe
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There are many, many kinds of AA, and what's most effective can vary from situation to situation. Even within a single frame, varied content may require different approaches for the same effect. The current highest bar is going to be some version of supersampling (SSAA), where multiple samples are taken for each pixel of output. In theory, this set of methods improves all imagery, but it is very computationally expensive. There are different ways to do the same general thing, and image scientists will no doubt invent more.
The fundamental facts of antialiasing actually run a bit counter to what people think. Generally, AA is conceived of as making a "clean", "sharp", or "crisp" image. In fact that's merely the subjective impression, not what's going on at the pixel scale. "Antialiasing" is a synonym for "blur". "Good AA" is not the sharpest image, it's the best balance of sharpness and blur. Exactly how much blur is "best" can be defined; particular rigorous parameters are what image scientists use to measure success of new algorithms, for example. But though every effort is made to match people's average perceptions, these definitions remain fundamentally arbitrary. Most folks can agree about severe cases, but as things improve, like with almost all graphical effects, the "correct" level of AA becomes a personal preference.
I see I didn't look at it that way. This is really informative. Idk if you played this but what AA did The Order have because I didn't see one jaggie on that game
Wow I'm playing Bound right now it looks so good on the Pro with MSAA
I usually play with headphones so i am not bothered by the noise but even without them my ps4 pro isn't loud . Only game that made it go loud was horizon ZD on the menu
I think it's possible that more people are scared off by the fear that they will do it incorrectly because they don't understand what you're looking for ("I'm not a technical person. What if the pictures I take are worthless? Then I am just wasting a lot of time"). Perhaps a very brief how-to would be more appropriate. Then people who already know what they are doing can ignore it, and new people will have a starting point. Although, then there is the issue of length/space. I am unsure if you could fit a really fit a whole guide -- I'm just throwing ideas out to see what sticks.
If you decide to include a more explicit list of criteria, you could always clarify by saying something along the lines of "all screenshots, etc. are welcome and appreciated", "any screenshots > no screenshots" and that "these are just recommendations".
Also, as a new member of this forum, how does the inbuilt image uploading and embedding compare to external services (like imgur)? Does Resetera automatically compress images posted here and, if so, is it perfectly adequate for this thread's purposes?
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I didn't play it, but the primary antialiasing method was high levels of MSAA. Note that the game also used motion blur, chromatic aberration, and film grain, all of which blur the image in one way or another. Since blur=AA, this further removed jaggies. Lighting bloom and atmospheric fog/haze also contributed in some places.
I actually haven't tested this, good catch. The main problem with imgur is the 1MB size limit, which means they add compression to almost everything uploaded, even JPEGs. While compression doesn't destroy the capacity for analysis, it does hurt it. And multiple passes of compression are worse. But I've done pixel counting off really compressed shots, so imgur or ResetEra (if it recompresses) aren't a death knell. Of course, PNG is preferable.
I've added Evil Within 2 and some Boost Mode games to the lists. Please note that I list an uncapped framerate for the former game on standard PS4, but I'm not 100% certain it's there. Online videos can be mislabeled or unlabeled as to what platform is running, so it's not impossible that unlocked framerate--which is definitely present on Pro--may not be an option on the regular model. If someone could tell me one way or the other I'd appreciate it.
Note also that I've made some major changes to previously-listed games based on information I received over Twitter. Several titles have higher targets than I listed, and one (Horizon Zero Dawn) runs significantly higher in one mode. Details of precise effects benefits have also been tweaked. Finally, I changed the entry for Call of Duty: WWII to reflect my recent analysis that it's using temporal interlacing alongside its dynamic resolution.
Let me know if you have any questions or comments, and as always your screenshots, video, and impressions are invaluable. (I'll be expanding OP talk of how to contribute in the near future.) Thanks!
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Has NX Gamer or Digital Foundry ever done an analysis on Everybody's Golf?
Got the game and it looks great but would be cool to watch what the experts thought of its performance and 4k mode
Got the game and it looks great but would be cool to watch what the experts thought of its performance and 4k mode
AC Origins just got updated to 1.05 seems like it fixed the texturing issues and the LOD problem
Malicious Fallen is PS4 Pro enhanced according to the website and blog
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/games/malicious-fallen-ps4/
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2017/01/24/malicious-fallen-is-coming-to-ps4-on-february-21/
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/games/malicious-fallen-ps4/
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2017/01/24/malicious-fallen-is-coming-to-ps4-on-february-21/
What does this mean? A more consistent 30 fps?
Yes, in most cases, usually locked.
I really like my PRO, yeah its not "proper" 4K but coming from 1020p PC and PS3 it felt like a huge leap, especially combined with my HDR Panasonic TV.
I did think though that when Destiny 2 launched it looked much more jaggy than the beta, then recently found out 4K and HDR upgrade is only coming via patch early December!!
Does anyone know if the beta was actually 4K (or thereabouts) compared to the full PS release?
I did think though that when Destiny 2 launched it looked much more jaggy than the beta, then recently found out 4K and HDR upgrade is only coming via patch early December!!
Does anyone know if the beta was actually 4K (or thereabouts) compared to the full PS release?
IIRC DF did the Beta comparison and the BETA does not have Pro enhancements, but the retail release did. It does dynamic scaling to full 2160p using checker board rendering depending on the on-screen load.
In which case I am confused (see link). This seems to imply it is not part of the current PS4 PRO features.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/destiny-2-xbox-one-x-and-ps4-pro-patches-are-comin/1100-6454840/
Yeah, that's some real weird wording on the patch. Unless they're doing the retooling the patch or something. DF's analysis bluntly confirms the upgrades in the retail face off:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-destiny-2-tech-analysis
PS4 is only getting HDR in December. It has had PS4 Pro support since the Beta via dynamic 4KCBR. The Bungie blog post is worded very poorly and makes it seem like the PS4 has no support.
I wonder if there were any framerate improvements for the cutscenes.
Also, did we ever get a final version pixel count for Battlefront 2?
Yes, they've been steadily improving cut-scene frame rates over the patches. Scenes which ran at 19 FPS on 1.02 run in high 20's in 1.03 and things have gotten more smoother over the patches.
I was hoping for a reduction in the jaggies. They can be quite noticeable when compared to other "4K lite" titles.
GT sport has similar issues of jaggies on tracks and certain car models.
Tiny Firewatch note: though it doesn't run in full HDR on the Pro, we did move up to 10 bits/channel color to smooth out the banding seen in gradients in the sky and other places.
The way it was worded was for people who are upgrading consoles this holiday season and probably so as not to mess up any arrangements with their marketing deal by only talking about Xbox One X. I would like to see them improve the res on the volumetric and DoF buffers because those are so low res and so common that they add a ton of aliasing.
It was at one point, but a few weeks ago when Bethesda made an official blog post with their Xbox X enhancement plans, Doom was not on that list anymore.
So, as far as we know right now, there are no official plans or release windows for either console patches.
Good to know and thanks for sharing :)
Really loved the bright vivid colors the game has.
No one knows. Bethesda is the worst publisher at communication for technical details. Doom was on the XBX list but no developer has said a word about it. Same with HDR support for Evil Within 2 and Wolfenstein II. Both announced to have it over the summer, launched without it, no word on if it's coming.
Not all of them, they allow purchase of some games every now and then, mostly slightly old and the one's they have plenty of copies of.. these are easier tracked from the website or other sources like CAG.
These are what they currently have for SALE sale. :
- DOOM (PS4/Xbox One) – $4.99
- Dark Souls III (PS4/Xbox One) – $4.99
- Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (PS4/Xbox One) – $4.99
- Agents of Mayhem (PS4/Xbox One) – $4.99
- Knack 2 – $9.99
- Everybody's Golf – $9.99
- Final Fantasy XV (PS4/Xbox One) – $9.99
I'm picking up Doom again because I traded my copy after initially playing it, after using some promo codes (you can just google and they're all over the place). My copy is only $3.49 lol.
Everybody's golf at that price is amazing, jealous. Anyway does anyone recommend Homefront for PS4Pro?
We run at native 1080p instead of downsampling because at 1080 native we were able to turn the draw distance and foliage LOD up.
Thank you so much for explaining this, ja2ke! If only more devs implementing PRO support in their games were like you, and explained why their games didn't downsample on 1080p TV's (instead of just being radio silent on the issue), whatever the reason may be (enhanced draw distance and foliage is awesome!), there would be a lot less frustration for us 1080p PRO owners. So, once again, thank you, good sir! :)
Thanks for the response, I'll add it to my Pro downsampling thread!
If you do patch the game again, please consider implementing a downsampling option for people who want it :)
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Homefront looks good, especially the HDR but the game is sadly, very, very bad.
Homefront is a fantastic looking game. I would recommend it for that but not for the "game" game part.
I took these screens from my system when I was playing it earlier in the year.
Cheers! We did the port early in the really days of PS4 Pro dev and downsampling didn't even occur to us tbh. I'm happy we were able to offer a little fidelity boost at 1080 on Pro though!
Honestly unlikely at this point BUT if we do I'll update this thread :)
I don't know how much you can say, but from what I'm gleaning from this, is that downsampling isn't automatically implemented in the PS4 OS, but instead requires devs to implement it themselves?
Are you able to elaborate on it at all, for example would it cost you performance to downsample to 1080p?
I'm not a programmer and don't really know and also don't know what is under NDA or not, sorry!
All the Skyrim talk in the switch thread has got me wanting to play it again, I sold my copy prior to getting a pro, how bad is the pro framerate? Seen a variance of opinion online on this. I assume there is no chance of a patch at this stage.
It's not noticable at all in my opinion, it felt smooth enough to me - looks great on a 4K display to boot.