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Is your perception of the special counsel's Russian election hacking/interference investigation

  • Positive

    Votes: 31 93.9%
  • Negative

    Votes: 2 6.1%

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aerie

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So he has net favorable numbers. This actually supports that it makes no sense to be broadcasting the President's message of "Mueller fatigue."

By this logic they should be fucking reporting on trump fatigue. Haven't heard that and his polls are worse.

They are parroting and broadcasting a narrative that doesn't exist. Hence the creation of this thread.
The Politico poll shows 53% unfavourable and the CNN shows only 41% approve, but the main take away is that Muellers favourability in the polls is dropping, the Trump administrations attack on the investigation and constant "witch hunt!" is working, which is what the media is reporting on. You will however see plenty of reporting on CNN and MSNBC that discusses and debates the investigation in a positive light, and Trumps views and attacks on it negatively. Especially the nightly scripted programs line Anderson Cooper and Rachel Maddow.
 

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They aren't saying that they're fatigued, they aren't buying into Trump's narrative, they're reporting on the observable fact that a significant chunk of the general population is tired of - or at least has become numb to - the daily ins and outs and ups and downs of the Mueller investigation.

If they weren't doing that, if they were crafting their own narrative that ran counter to the information that they have to report on... well, the name for that is Fake News.
Yeah, this seems to be a misread on OP's part. MSNBC is simply reporting that Trump has successfully made a portion of the population tired of hearing about the investigation.

It's a report on facts, not them "buying into the narrative."
 
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The Politico poll shows 53% unfavourable and the CNN shows only 41% approve, but the main take away is that Muellers favourability in the polls is dropping, the Trump administrations attack on the investigation and constant "witch hunt!" is working, which is what the media is reporting on. You will however see plenty of reporting on CNN and MSNBC that discusses and debates the investigation in a positive light, and Trumps views and attacks on it negatively. Especially the nightly scripted programs line Anderson Cooper and Rachel Maddow.

CNN is garbage and that politco poll is 53% of republicans dissapprove, which is surprisingly GOOD for Mueller who is investigating the top of their own fucking party.
 
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Yeah, this seems to be a misread on OP's part. MSNBC is simply reporting that Trump has successfully made a portion of the population tired of hearing about the investigation.

It's a report on facts, not them "buying into the narrative."

Nah, it was straight up a segment on Mueller fatigue being real with zero numbers or objective reporting to back it up and that Trump and Giulianni have been and I quote "successful."

How?

Where?

Why are you reporting that?

That's why I made this thread.
 
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5taquitos

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Nah, it was straight up a segment on Mueller fatigue being real with zero numbers or objective reporting to back it up and that Trump and Giulianni have been and I quote "successfull."

How?

Where?

Why are you reporting that?

That's why I made this thread.
Well that's pretty shitty then.
 

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Nah, it was straight up a segment on Mueller fatigue being real with zero numbers or objective reporting to back it up.

I can speak for myself when I say the fatigue is real..

Anytime I look up at the MSNBC television at the gym, they are talking about the Mueller investigation. Every. Single. Time.

It's gotten to the point where unless there is some breaking development of actual importance regarding the investigation, I simply don't care. I don't care about a random political pundit's opinion on the investigation, it's meaningless to me.
 

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Because it's kind of true. The scales on the mueller probe have been tipping in Trumps favor. People just want it to be over (come to a conclusion) and the cable news cycles arnt helping. By reporting every little fucking thing about it every day for over a year.

It's like watching a hyped video game get delayed over and over again. You know the extra time is going to make it better, but st the same time "give it to me now!"
 
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I can speak for myself when I say the fatigue is real..

Anytime I look up at the MSNBC television op at the gym, they are talking about the Mueller investigation. Every. Single. Time.

It's gotten to the point where unless there is some breaking development of actual importance regarding the investigation, I simply don't care. I don't care about a random political pundit's opinion on the investigation, it's meaningless to me.

Cool, one person with a hot take.

Anyone with this take, take a step back and let a federal fucking prosecutor do his damn job. That's kind of the fucking point here. The president is creating fatigue intentionally and the media is parroting it (they shouldn't be) and you fucking suckers are buying it.
 
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On that CNN poll, it's garbage. 1000 people who answer a phone call from an unknown number. Great sample. Go do some actual canvassing. They even outsourced the fucking poll. I can fucking call a thousand people in a week by myself. With an autodialer way more than that.

The poll was conducted by SSRS among a random national sample of 1,012 adults reached on landlines or cellphones by a live interviewer. Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.7 percentage points; it is larger for subgroups.
 

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Unfortunately the polls reflect that. Its less the media buying into Trumps narrative, and more so that narrative working on the American populace, and the media reporting such.

Not like "Mueller fatigue" really means anything, its a criminal investigation.

This. On here you may not see it as much. But it's actually true.
 

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American media isn't built for dealing with a President that escapes the normalcy of what you'd expect from a traditional politician.

They're still operating under the impression that there's any value or meaning to the crap that Trump spouts.

Since they're not professionally able to deal with things that escape from the situations they're used to, they just report on Trump like they would if he was a normal, proper President. It's all they're able to do.
 

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Cool, one person with a hot take.

Anyone with this take, take a step back and let a federal fucking prosecutor do his damn job. That's kind of the fucking point here. The president is creating fatigue intentioy and the media is parroting it (they shouldn't be) and you fucking suckers are buying it.

Hot take... lol? You are obviously taking this investigation very personal.

This has been going on for what, over a year? I have no problems whatsoever with Mueller doing his investigation, I certainly don't need to "take a step back" from anything. Ironically, you can't take a step back from this story if you watch MSNBC seeing as they run this same story for 12 hours a day.

If you want to sit in front of your TV and watch the same story regurgitated for 12 hours a day, then that's your prerogative. Chastising others for not wanting to do the same however is simply comical.
 

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That still isn't in Trump's favor. It's a 53% dissapprove among republicans. Which is surprisingly good for Mueller even if it isn't as good as it was last year.

Agreed, but your last sentence is the bigger point. Fatigue is going up over time, which is great for Trump.

Of course, it's a criminal investigation. But people are looking for the big reveal all the same.
 
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Hot take... lol? You are obviously taking this investigation very personal.

This has been going on for what, over a year? I have no problems whatsoever with Mueller doing his investigation, I certainly don't need to "take a step back" from anything. Ironically, you can't take a step back from this story if you watch MSNBC seeing as they run this same story for 12 hours a day.

If you want to sit in front of your TV and watch the same story regurgitated for 12 hours a day, then that's your prerogative. Chastising others for not wanting to do the same however is simply comical.

I only commented on you buying into this fatigue narrative which you clearly posted earlier. I'm working from home today and happened to have the tv on. Thanks for making grand assumptions though about how very personal I'm taking the course of this country and my tv viewing habbits. I won't be seeing any more of your posts thankfully.
 
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Because they're propagandists and corporate stooges whose purpose is to brainwash the masses and create a narrative that protects the status quo.
 

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That still isn't in Trump's favor. It's a 53% dissapprove among republicans. Which is surprisingly good for Mueller even if it isn't as good as it was last year.
But the numbers are going in the wrong direction over time, the longer it goes on, the worse it's going to get.

At what number do you think Trump will feel comfortable firing the special counsel.
 
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Because the U.S. press is still in the end owned by rich fucks who love Trump.

The US. political press has been a joke for 30+ years.
 
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Watching MSNBC right now, they are saying the president has been successful in creating Mueller fatigue.

Why the fuck are they saying that?

When you say "they" are saying it, who are you referring to, exactly?

Is this a talking head on an infotainment panel, or is this being reported as an actual news story from the news desk, which I assume would have it attached to polling of some sort or another?
 

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The media must have a lot of people like my ex-wife and still consider themselves liberal despite complicitly normalizing the conservative viewpoint.
 
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When you say "they" are saying it, who are you referring to, exactly?

Is this a talking head on an infotainment panel, or is this being reported as an actual news story from the news desk, which I assume would have it attached to polling of some sort or another?

The main anchor ruhle said it and there was no polling.
 

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So the news really is fake

In all seriousness the news has been fake (by the current definition) since Maddow lied about having tax returns.

Every day media tries to say holy shit today is the day where things happen - and every day it doesn't. I see people tweeting "trump is getting more deranged this week I think something is happening." At this point it's just people playing themselves because they want it to be true.

I thought the Russia conference was a big deal, the biggest deal so far, and it came and went.
 
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Fatigue of what? It isn't a movie or tv show, it's a criminal investigation. They shouldn't be judged on ratings
Yet everyday CNN puts that poll up that says "only a a small percentage of Americans think Mueller's doing a good job!"
like wtf? how do they know what kind of job he's doing? it's the middle of a federal investigation and barely anything has come out yet, what are they judging this based on? Americans are stupid as shit and American media is pathetic for reporting that stupidity like it matters.
 
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Yet everyday CNN puts that poll up that says "only a a small percentage of Americans think Mueller's doing a good job!"
like wtf? how do they know what kind of job he's doing? it's the middle of a federal investigation and barely anything has come out yet, what are they judging this based on? Americans are stupid as shit and American media is pathetic for reporting that stupidity like it matters.

Because we're in an age of instant gratification. People don't want to accept the gravity of the kind of case mueller is working on and realize it requires time to build out.
 

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I only commented on you buying into this fatigue narrative which you clearly posted earlier. I'm working from home today and happened to have the tv on. Thanks for making grand assumptions though about how very personal I'm taking the course of this country and my tv viewing habbits. I won't be seeing any more of your posts thankfully.

Narrative? I didn't get tired of hearing about the Mueller investigation because Trump told me I should be tired of it. I got tired of it because the same talking points regarding the investigation are regurgitated for 12 hours every single day on MSNBC.

I certainly don't need Trump telling me when I should grow tired of something I see on television. I'm a big boy, and I can make that decision all by myself.
 

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Like, how can you become 'fatigued' with a criminal investigation that is consistently producing indictments. I just don't even know how that word can be used to describe this.

It's like getting fatigued by great sex like 5 minutes in. If it's producing, keep going. You'll know when it's over.
 

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Cool, one person with a hot take.

Anyone with this take, take a step back and let a federal fucking prosecutor do his damn job. That's kind of the fucking point here. The president is creating fatigue intentionally and the media is parroting it (they shouldn't be) and you fucking suckers are buying it.
It's on the news 24/7 for the last year. Enough is enough, people are sick of it because it's everywhere. Come back and report when something important /major happens. Like Trump going to jail major, Otherwise I don't care. There are other things going on in the world.

Edit: someone just compared Mueller news to sex highs....that's not normal.
 

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It sells...

Don't use cable "news" for news, it's all media used to keep you watching. Creditable online newspapers and studies are usually your best sources.
 

TokyoJoe

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Most journalists have sold their souls to the devil and are all about selling sensation to the public. There's almost no integrity nor self awareness to the damaging they are helping inflict on democracy.
 
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It's on the news 24/7 for the last year. Enough is enough, people are sick of it because it's everywhere. Come back and report when something important /major happens. Like Trump going to jail major,? Otherwise I don't care. There are other things going on in the world.

There have been indictments. It lead to Cohen, the president's personal fucking attorney getting raided by the FBI. The president's campaign manager is in court, right now. These are important things.
 

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The media are a bunch of feckless cunts that don't give a fuck about news. Only ratings.
 
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The age of short attention spans? I mean, look at how Trump has operated thus far; he's undergone weekly scandals that would have broken other administrations long before now. But no one really cares anymore; the outrage meter has been broken. It's a holding pattern from one crisis to another and the media is complicit. There stills seems to be this idea you have to cover both sides fairly, even if one is wholly evil. It's a stupid system made for ignorant and lazy people.

As for Mueller, the "funny" thing is, Trump supporters will use it as definitive proof if it shows Trump is innocent but it won't mean a thing if he's guilty. It's a cult of evolutionary rejects.
 

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I think they simply reflect the conceits and the wishes of most of the population, which is sensationalist and regressive news
 

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That poll is very oddly worded. I think the investigation is a negative because it needs to exist. I think it's being handled by Mueller positively.
 

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There have been indictments. It lead to Cohen, the president's personal fucking attorney getting raided by the FBI. The president's campaign manager is in court, right now. These are important things.

Unless Trump is going to jail, I don't care because it's been non stop for a year. I'm sure millions of others feel the same. Wake me when something really major happens (Trump getting arrested) lawyers and politicians getting busted lost its wow factor when I was 10. The fatigue is a thing.


Mueller is doing nothing wrong, he can take the next 4 years to finish it, but the media needs to pump the breaks eventually.