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Pygrus

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,592
AWS is still going to bring in truckloads of money. It's terrible they can get away with this, but the company is ingrained in so many aspects of life now, that's it is nearly impossible to boycott Amazon.
 

Rangerx

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,499
Dangleberry
I never have and never will buy anything from Amazon. They're a truly terrible company. I like to go outside to buy things anyway.
 

djplaeskool

Member
Oct 26, 2017
19,752
This is why I specified a federal solution

Federal labor regulations are moving in the wrong direction right now, for obvious reasons.
We'll have to wait for a new administration to get any momentum there unfortunately.
Thankfully, I think this will be a central policy focus going into 2020 and will be acted on quickly (among other things that will need to be reversed, if possible)
 

photonblack

Member
Oct 27, 2017
338
I haven't spent a cent on amazon in 3 months. it feels great to not directly support a slave labor corporation.
 

Kaako

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,736
AWS is still going to bring in truckloads of money. It's terrible they can get away with this, but the company is ingrained in so many aspects of life now, that's it is nearly impossible to boycott Amazon.
Sadly, I see this as well. Almost the entire United States network infrastructure, intelligent services & all utilize AWS. More countries to follow soon if not already. This shit is actually scary.
 

Kill3r7

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,441
I haven't spent a cent on amazon in 3 months. it feels great to not directly support a slave labor corporation.

Do you use Netflix? Or any of the companies below?

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Deepwater

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,349
Amazon is too big of a system to selectively boycott. doesn't mean I don't support it, but somebody will come right behind me and buy twice as much.

As someone in the tech industry though, I would never ever ever work for amazon. Even if the corporate side is like night and day compared to the warehouse. I won't contribute to the system in that way and discourage people who would.
 

Landy828

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,413
Clemson, SC
The problem with individually suing a company the size of Amazon on labor issues is costs. Legal expenses eat up the bulk of the settlement before the 20/80 split kicks in. Also, that rate is below market.

That's why I sued for a specific amount + all attorney fees/legal expenses. I can only come from the perspective of what I did though...so maybe that's not the norm.

We knew 100%, that I was going to win both times, so I spent very little money up-front, and the agreements that were reached included the amount that I wanted + paying all the costs that the attorney piled up. The settlements (paperwork wise) required the offending parties sign off on paying all my fees beyond the initial hiring of my lawyer.

Between the two cases I only spent $1250 total. Pocket change compared to the results. :)
 

AegonSnake

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,566
Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk are all despicable human beings. it's bizarre to see the left love these anti union, anti worker liberatarian shits.
 

Chamaeleonx

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,348
Admittedly, this has got a fair bit better in the last 5-6 years. But not too much better, mind you.



The primary issue is when there's a call center company that is contracted by a larger company. We had to keep these metrics to stay competitive with others that were trying to get a bid for the contract. This causes some of the higher-ups to lose their god damn minds. If they lose the contract, the majority of the company will lose their jobs. But, usually, by the time someone has worked in this environment for a year (or more), they beg to be fired so they can get unemployment while trying to find another job.
Makes sense for it to continue further upwards the chain.

Heh, every time a company tries to get you to donate to charity I'm reminded of how much they're writing off their taxes through this scheme.
I wrote all these sentences because of the Apple thread.

Isn't this very site hosted on an amazon server or something?
Might be, but in the end it is difficult to avoid a lot of these companies due to how Kraken-like they have their fingers in most stuff.
 

Kill3r7

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,441
That's why I sued for a specific amount + all attorney fees/legal expenses. I can only come from the perspective of what I did though...so maybe that's not the norm.

We knew 100%, that I was going to win both times, so I spent very little money up-front, and the agreements that were reached included the amount that I wanted + paying all the costs that the attorney piled up. The settlements (paperwork wise) required the offending parties sign off on paying all my fees beyond the initial hiring of my lawyer.

Between the two cases I only spent $1250 total. Pocket change compared to the results. :)

Each deposition would cost $1000+ just for the court reporter and videographer. Let alone the discovery costs and motion practice. They will paper you to death. It sounds like you had a slam dunk case.
 

Possum Armada

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,630
Greenville, SC
Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk are all despicable human beings. it's bizarre to see the left love these anti union, anti worker liberatarian shits.


Agreed.

Happy to be able to say that I've stopped shopping with Amazon. I switched the majority of my shopping to Costco, who does a much better job in regards to employee treatment.


Sadly, based on previous Amazon threads, a good number of people on here only care about things until the moment it makes them have to spend more or work harder to shop.
 

Skyrim

Member
Oct 28, 2017
126
It's kind of amazing how quickly Amazon turned from the golden boy that everyone looked up to as the saviour that would protect us from companies like Wal-Mart, into the bad guy that seems to be doing everything they can to behave in the worst possible manner.
 

photonblack

Member
Oct 27, 2017
338
Do you use Netflix? Or any of the companies below?

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The only other other one I directly give money to is Adobe because I have so much of my work tied up in their applications. And Im low income so I tend to go for the most cost effective options. Generally, its shitty large corps that can offer services so cheaply so its tough to balance out.
 

Possum Armada

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,630
Greenville, SC
It's kind of amazing how quickly Amazon turned from the golden boy that everyone looked up to as the saviour that would protect us from companies like Wal-Mart, into the bad guy that seems to be doing everything they can to behave in the worst possible manner.

At a certain point a company cannot satisfy Wall Street's inanse demand for constant growth without becoming overly greedy.
 

KillingJoke

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,672
Sounds like typical warehouse work tbh. The last warehouse job i had years ago was the size of a peanut compared to Amazon and worked your ass off. All for a whopping $9hr.
 

chaostrophy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,378
Right

Walmart tomorrow can come out and say we are for the employees first and foremost
Their health and upkeep is their priority, let them unionize, give them $20 hourly wage, everything and the fucking moon
Wall Street and investors would massacre the stock, all the competitors would laugh their ass off and see it destroy itself

Yep. Amazon/Walmart/etc. aren't the disease. Wall Street and the government's hostility to workers are the disease and these companies' labor practices are symptoms. I don't see the point of boycotting these individual companies- better to go after the root cause.
 

reKon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,739
I've always respected Costco for taking much better care of their people. If there was one that was conveniently closer, I would probably go there exclusively.
 

hibikase

User requested ban
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
6,820
That says more about worker's rights in the US (or lack thereof) than it says about Amazon. If all that shit is not illegal then Amazon are most likely not the only ones doing this, we just hear more about it because they are so big.
 

Daitokuji

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,602
We need UBI or some way to give labour more power over employers. The reason why companies treat their employees so badly is because they can.
 

Kill3r7

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,441
That says more about worker's rights in the US (or lack thereof) than it says about Amazon. If all that shit is not illegal then Amazon are most likely not the only ones doing this, we just hear more about it because they are so big.

Amazon warehouses are operated in similar conditions whether in the US or UK. See articles about British workers facing brutal work conditions.
 

Kasumin

Member
Nov 19, 2017
1,932
Company doctors? Holy shit. What's next, having workers live in a company town where they shop at the company store with company-provided scrip instead of actual currency?

The US has gone almost full circle on labor in just the past century, and it's really depressing.
 

Cation

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
3,603
Isnt amazon going to automate their warehouses eventually or did I just make that up?
 

Titik

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,490
I stopped buying from them for this reason.

What are the alternatives though? I imagine the smaller sites treat thier employees just as bad if not worse. But I guess it still sends a message that this isn't okay.
 

Branu

Banned
Feb 7, 2018
1,029
I stopped buying from them for this reason.

What are the alternatives though? I imagine the smaller sites treat thier employees just as bad if not worse. But I guess it still sends a message that this isn't okay.

The alternative is to step outside and go to a mall or one of the many boutiques found in the city. It is not difficult at all.
 

Linkura

Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,943
I stopped buying from them for this reason.

What are the alternatives though? I imagine the smaller sites treat thier employees just as bad if not worse. But I guess it still sends a message that this isn't okay.
Most of the stuff I buy from them is shit I can't easily get or get at all locally. Plus video games for the Prime discount. That's it really, and that's the problem. If I could easily get the non-gaming stuff locally, I wouldn't give them business.
 

Kaako

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,736
Isnt amazon going to automate their warehouses eventually or did I just make that up?
Automation is at the forefront and the best hardware in the company is dedicated to deep machine learning AI in part for automation as well as other purposes. This is true for all the major corps like Amazon/Google/FB/MS/etc...
 

Chamaeleonx

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,348
Company doctors? Holy shit. What's next, having workers live in a company town where they shop at the company store with company-provided scrip instead of actual currency?

The US has gone almost full circle on labor in just the past century, and it's really depressing.
At the core a company doctor isn't bad to have. Ambulances and stuff can take quite some time to reach your location if you actually need them in an urgent emergency. But obviously they can be used to enforce bias across your workers, which takes away the core benefit they actually should provide.
 

Chamaeleonx

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,348
Not everybody lives close to a urban area or shopping center
Yeah, I would need to use an entire day on the weekend to have time to shop for clothes and stuff as you look at various shops, try on, etc. .
Not that I have brought anything from Amazon in years. Guess I will buy some cheap ear pads for my headphones soon but you can't find these in any local shop, so. =x
 

Strangelove_77

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,392
I'm surprised others are surprised. This is how a lot of companies think about their workers. They don't think of them as human beings.

This being a very severe case of companies not giving a shit.
 

mrmoose

Member
Nov 13, 2017
21,190
Is the outrage mainly that they are treating domestic workers this way? Because I'm fairly sure even if companies don't have big warehouses here where they treat domestic workers like trash, most large companies will have operations or products in other countries where they do.
 

smurfx

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,578
well i'm trying to do my part. i rarely shop at amazon anymore and i purposely didn't buy anything from them these past two year on prime day.
 

ryul2

Banned
Nov 5, 2017
552
i'm still puzzled why everyone was up in arms (or at least I thought they were) about Walmart 10-15 years ago yet Amazon got a free pass. I guess the convenience and the 2 day shipping makes people look the other way. I've pretty much stopped buying on Amazon unless if it's really out of the way (eg a store that has whatever I need is more than 1 hour away) although that doesn't happen very often. That and the "great' customer service they have while they treat their warehouse employees terribly.