Marvel came to Sony. It was all part of the Spider-Man MCU deal. Insomniac explained it in a video.
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Can Spider-man or Last of Us Part 2 dethrone God of War commercially?
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I think some people may be seriously underestimating the commercial titan that is Spider-Man. I wouldn't be surprised if Spider-Man becomes Sony's fastest selling exclusive of all time. I'd love to see where the merchandise numbers are at these days but at one point Spider-Man was more profitable than The Avengers, Batman, AND Superman COMBINED.
This x1000. And damn, those graphs are telling. Spider-Man is a huge property.
That video never said anything about the MCU deal.
Yes, Marvel did approach Sony though.
God of War will win over Spidey at least. Not sure about Last of Us 2 though. The fact it has multiplayer (even if I never enjoyed it) throws a wrench in the mix, as shelf life should be longer.
GoW benefited from its barren competition big time which helped word of mouth carry it like crazy.
GoW benefited from its barren competition big time which helped word of mouth carry it like crazy.
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Thats what i meant, sorry. But it's pretty obvious that it was around that time.
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Those graphs are misleading. As an IP sure but popularity does not translate equally across media. Otherwise homecoming would have smashed past a billion easily. The games world is different from the comic world and different from the merchandising world.
I always forget how big the last of us is. That first game did insane numbers.
If TLOU2 ships an amazing MP its got the best chance at dethroning the first game.
Spider man will be popular but I dont see it as a 12+ million seller like TLOU2 and GOW18.
I think God of war will land near 14-15M
If TLOU2 ships an amazing MP its got the best chance at dethroning the first game.
Spider man will be popular but I dont see it as a 12+ million seller like TLOU2 and GOW18.
I think God of war will land near 14-15M
I think Last of Us 2 outselling God of War is quite likely considering both Last of Us 1 and Uncharted 4 both did over 10mil. Not sure about Spider-man but I wouldn't count it out. God of War 3 only did 5 mil, granted God of War is making far more of a splash and seems to be somewhat of an evergreen but I imagine that when bigger and better things come PS4's way it'll eventually be overshadowed.
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this spider man game is different than pretty much every other spider man game. it's a well funded first party exclusive game from a great developer. not counting the times where a multi plat game is just a completely different game on one platform vs. the others there hasn't been a legit exclusive spider man game since Mysterio's Menace on GBA (great game by the way)
my optimism about spider man comes from the notion that it will sell to all the people who bought a PS4 for exclusive first party games but it's also a spider man game so it'll have a wider reach because of the IP. being open world doesn't hurt. as long as it gets an 80+ meta score I think it's a lock for 10+ million LTD. hell, it should be a lock for 10+ million anyway
Yep. Spiderman is gonna be the best selling exclusive on PS platform. I don't even think a PS title will beat it this gen.
The Last of US is more popular then Uncharted though at this point.
I think both will surpass God of War but it will be TLOUP2 that will end up being the best selling PS4 exclusive. I'm expecting 20M+ life time including console sales because we know that their will be a PS4 Pro bundle.
For both of them, it depends on the quality of the game. GoW was always going to do well but it is rated 94 on Metacritic, being a standout game propelled it to another level. If Spider-Man or TLOU2 score more than 90 on Metacritic, they both should outsell GoW, if they don't then they won't.
This is not movies, let's not pretend an 18 rating means fuck all when it comes to games where a T rating would help sales. Also, I don't think people are grasping how well GoW has done. Fastest selling game ever published by Sony, it will easily sell 12+ million lifetime. It is not easy for first party games to reach such numbers unless it is a Nintendo published title.
Sony could this generation have GoW, Uncharted 4, Horizon, Spider-Man, TLOU2 and cross gen TLOU selling 10 million. Pretty crazy to think about when they for 15 or so years just has GT reaching that numbers.
Oh Yamauchi why won't you leave GT alone? :(
This is not movies, let's not pretend an 18 rating means fuck all when it comes to games where a T rating would help sales. Also, I don't think people are grasping how well GoW has done. Fastest selling game ever published by Sony, it will easily sell 12+ million lifetime. It is not easy for first party games to reach such numbers unless it is a Nintendo published title.
Sony could this generation have GoW, Uncharted 4, Horizon, Spider-Man, TLOU2 and cross gen TLOU selling 10 million. Pretty crazy to think about when they for 15 or so years just has GT reaching that numbers.
Oh Yamauchi why won't you leave GT alone? :(
I don't doubt it, and I think it's sales were / are rightfully earned. I just wouldn't put it past Last of Us 2 to outsell it. The console is healthy, people adored the first game, there's good buzz surrounding it, and it got a huge push at E3. Who knows though, I'm certainly not qualified and wouldn't care to put money on it.
also I'm biased and will stan for anything with queer rep.
The Last of Us 2, very closely followed by Spidey, TLOU has recently become something of a Sony powerhouse and will come with an ungodly amount of marketing, it is also now a proven quality IP unlike the first one which is also a 13M+ seller now. Spidey has the Name going for it and will surely attract a bigger casual audience but it won't get the push that TLOU2 will. Both are gonna be monster games and will surely outsell GoW.
That's true but Spider-Man games have historically sold very well.
And none of them have had the marketing budget or pre-release coverage that Insomniac's Spider-Man has gotten. Not to mention the critical reception which seems likely to be higher than any past Spider-Man game. Only time will tell but I'm betting that Spider-Man is going to surprise a lot of people if they think it doesn't even have a chance of outselling God of War.
I'm sure it'll do Arkham numbers, just not God of War numbers.
You honestly think the world's most popular superhero is going to sell less than God of War? LOL
I can't believe people think TLOU 2 being more violent and mature than Spider-Man will do it any harm. TLOU has a big female following, transcending the usual audience that such games usually serve. Trust me, there will be more tumblr posts, fan arts, and fan fics created for TLOU 2 than any other playstation game, which will help it remain relevant for years to come.
You'll see when it opens less than God of War.
I don't know, Homecoming despite being a great movie and guest starring IronMan of all people, still couldn't crack a billion in box office.
Homecoming, off the back of a failed reboot and tons of skepticism about yet another re-launch of the character, still put up one of the best MCU numbers besides the Avengers films and Civil War (which was essentially an Avengers movie). The only stand-alone movies that beat it are Black Panther and Iron Man 3.
Spider-Man is a multi-billion dollar movie franchise, he's been a standout in the MCU, PlayStation has over 80 million units out in the wild, there's lots of crossover there.
I think this game is going to be the best selling exclusive game we've seen this gen on all platforms at launch and will likely maintain that longevity.
I think this game is going to be the best selling exclusive game we've seen this gen on all platforms at launch and will likely maintain that longevity.
More likely than not considering God of War is probably headed to 12-15 million lifetime. Not sure why folks think thats going to be an easy number to crack.
To be fair, only 6 of the MCU movies have, 3 of which are Avengers movies (4 if you count CW).
Yeah, no. Going to need some sauce on that because it's been known for a while Spider-Man has the popularity and profits behind it.
But it made almost 900 million. That's... still pretty much huge. That equals 15 million video game copies sold, kinda.
I honestly think people are underestimating Peter Benjamin Parker.
Spider-Man is going to be HUGE. If the game is as great as it looks (and I don't doubt Insomniac for one second), word of mouth is going to push it for the 45 or so days it's going to have until RDR2 drops.
Then the Black Friday sale will put it in every kid's stocking for Christmas.
Spider-Man is going to be HUGE. If the game is as great as it looks (and I don't doubt Insomniac for one second), word of mouth is going to push it for the 45 or so days it's going to have until RDR2 drops.
Then the Black Friday sale will put it in every kid's stocking for Christmas.
Poor tomb raider they cant escape shitty release dates lol
Have we gotten any GOW figures since they announced it passed 5 million?
Games are heavily front-loaded and almost no exclusive sells 10+ million nowadays on a single console. I don't even know if Uncharted 4 has done that (sold 8.7 million in 2016, but no announcement of it ever passing 10 million).
LOL What's funny is that I'm going to do what I did for the first and second one: wait for a deep deep sale.
Homecoming had to deal with Planet of the Apes and a couple other movies beforehand.
Interesting! I'm not sure how you'd measure all around character popularity so I'm not really certain what kind of data there is to suggest Spider-Man is a more popular character than something like Bat-Man. But for the sake of an argument, didn't Dark Knight Rises gross more than Spider-Man Homecoming? Also a quick googling indicates that Tec Comics is outselling Amazing Spider-Man currently, so IDK! What's your case?
Lets not go crazy now .
TLOU has sold 17 million if PS5 has BC i expect 2 will also reach crazy numbers .
GOW will do 10 million plus .
So spidey will sell good but not that crazy .
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Interesting! I'm not sure how you'd measure all around character popularity so I'm not really certain what kind of data there is to suggest Spider-Man is a more popular character than something like Batman. But for the sake of an argument, didn't Dark Knight Rises gross more than Spider-Man Homecoming? Also a quick googling indicates that Tec Comics is outselling Amazing Spider-Man currently, so IDK! What's your case?
I feel like the MCU's sustained success has normalized crazy ass box office numbers to the point where people are actually in here acting like Homecoming doing 880m reflects poorly on the IP
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I just feel like people are overestimating the importance of Spider-Man brand. MvC Inf show that brand name can only push you so far if the game itself didn't deliver. now, I really doubt Sony will drop the ball here with Spider-Man like Capcom did with MvCI. but my gut feeling about whether Spider-Man can surpass GoW sales or not are entirely depend on the reviews. if it manage to get 90+ review similar to GoW, then yeah, I can see this sell very well surpassing GoW. but if the reviews are more about 85 ish score. than I don't think it will surpass GoW, even though the sales number will still be good.
Plot Twist.
It'll be Knack 2 by way of a HUGE Cerny update touting cross-platform co-op with an unprecedented Xbox One release.
It'll be Knack 2 by way of a HUGE Cerny update touting cross-platform co-op with an unprecedented Xbox One release.
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Homecoming, off the back of a failed reboot and tons of skepticism about yet another re-launch of the character, still put up one of the best MCU numbers besides the Avengers films and Civil War (which was essentially an Avengers movie). The only stand-alone movies that beat it are Black Panther and Iron Man 3.
I mean that is not really that amazing a feat is it? Also using that analogy Spidey PS4 is coming of the back of terrible Activision games as well. I dont see Spidey outselling God of War atleast in NA. I will be shocked if it sells anywhere close to 2 million in its opening month's NPD. Maybe it outpaces God of War in Eurpoe but we shall see.
Uncharted 4 should be well over 10 million plus. It was 8.7 million in 7 months. Hell Horizon is going to be 10 million plus. God of War will blow past 10 million at a much faster rate.
