Bill Gates' foundation has also funded companies that cause those same problems. If you're going to character assassinate, this isn't the way to do it.
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Apple beats estimates . Races towards $1 trillion market value
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Bill Gates' foundation has also funded companies that cause those same problems. If you're going to character assassinate, this isn't the way to do it.
Do you think a company should pay tax on a sale to the country in which the sale occurred AND the US? Do you think this tax, if you deemed it fair, should only be collected when the revenue is sent back to the US?
Really surprised at how big the Airpods blew up. Even some Apple diehards thought they were gonna flop.
Weird. They are so handy and anything handy is either bound to succeed or get outcopied.
Microsoft doesn't overwhelmingly rely on hardware sales.
They're two different companies. Horizontal versus vertical.
I would imagine some political influence would be a good start. Doesn't seem like they do that at the moment. If the Koch's can buy politicians for their regressive policies then I am sure Apple can do the same for positive progress.
I am sure you are aware of how many problems Microsoft created, how many they exploited and how they now try to make up a little bit of it. You don't reach Bill Gates/Microsoft level of wealth without screwing everybody over.
He called me out by name without actually talking to me. While I am thankful if he doesn't want to engage with me directly because I expect more from those that basically "own the world" then I don't know what else I should do.
Little hyperbolic there, don't you think? Especially when you're talking about today's MS. If/when Apple reach a trillion, Microsoft aren't going to be far behind them.
The problem is not the definition or core of success but everything around it.
Do you not agree that companies should do more for our society as they built their wealth on the back of said society?
You name the things Microsoft has done that undermines eradicating disease and saving millions. And no, forcing you to use IE isn't gonna cut it.
Companies of apples size often do a lot of charity work with their teams.
And what would you like Apple to do that shouldn't be solved by local governments?
I don't think the solution is more political bribery.
Look, I don't think it's preposterous to suggest Apple does both good (Donations to AIDS funds, highlighting LGBT rights, they also donated to fighting wildfires in California, etc.) and bad (tax evasion, that whole ebook price fixing scandal, etc). It's not black or white.
At some point, companies are companies, not charities.
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I suppose you, like Apple, awaited a favorable answer to that question to bring some of its money back from offshores to pay its $100 billion in debt. It paid a fraction of the taxes it owed this year. It held American taxpayer money ransom until this year. I find that fucking gross.
The company I manage pays its fair share of taxes. We'd have more profit too if we jury rigged it like Apple. Don't mind me being salty.
So is your problem with Apple or US tax laws because a lot of US based companies are guilty of this.
This was the beta design of the first android phone before Apple iPhone announcement
Gameboy Color
Systemic issue, don't expect companies to give money to the government out of charity, policies are what need to be fixed, until then they are obliged to beat the competition by any legal means necessary, like any business challenged by competitors.
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I knew the whataboutism would come soon enough. Since this thread is focused on Apple, let's keep it to Apple. But if you want to know, yes, I find the practices of MS, FB, Google, etc just as gross.
Bring back classic macos
Copeland had the best interface but was so archaic with the lack of memory protection and cooperative multitasking. I'm glad they kept the menu bar though.
Us tax laws and companies are both guilty. Exploiting to the point where undocumented immigrants may pay taxes than Microsoft.
Ok so you didn't really say if you think the tax is appropriate or not, but assuming you do think it's ok, do you think the tax should be assessed when the revenue is brought into the US? If so, why would not bringing it to the US be "cheating"? If I own a stock I don't pay tax until I sell it. Not selling isn't cheating anything.
i think what people are referencing is the general lack of charity work they do in comparison to microsoft or its founder bill gates
the productive software and build quality is still the best though. seriously stuff like logicpro/ garage band simply doesnt exist on windows or costs so much that the additional cost of the hardware is okay
I am not gonna dig up Microsoft's past to win an internet argument, not worth my time.
Public transportation maybe? Generally reducing prices, paying their workers more, don't use exploitative factories in China, Africa, etc. .
Can't think of more issues I would want them to tackle personally off the top of my head, its pretty late here after all.
The system in the USA function that way, why is the progressive side not using it that way to forcefully get their correct policies implemented?
I know that companies are companies and only work for profit and shareholders, doesn't mean I have to just take it and accept it. They don't need me to just accept their greed and money shuffling to the front. I am aware that a lot of these are systematic issues that Apple alone probably can't change and never would tackle anyway as they are a company. Still, simply cheering and celebrating that they are worth almost 1 trillion now is something I don't understand.
You made the argument. If you can't support it we can all ignore it.
Nah, not trying to whatboutism this. Was just asking
Public trnasportaiton is a local government probelm and shout not be solved by private companies.
Ahh, an Apple earnings thread. Should be some nice rational discussion happening...
...Lol. The iPhone is the most important tech innovation of this century so far. Nothing Microsoft has done in the past two decades is even close.
...Lol. The iPhone is the most important tech innovation of this century so far. Nothing Microsoft has done in the past two decades is even close.
Tax law is gamed, apple is no better here than all the rest. It's not an excuse, but Apple is one part of a overall problem.
While there's much more apple can do as a corporate citizen the App Store alone has done more good for society and wealth creation than anything else we've seen as of recent time. You can throw in the smartphone boom and the expansion of mobile consumerism helping all sorts of new business models grow or take off in retail/travel/entertainment by putting a computing device on everyone.
Also, simplifying apple to they just got lucky with the iPhone forgets all the success in relative terms of the iMac and relaunching the computer business for apple. iPod and iTunes. It's been an evolution, one many of the tradional Apple competitors missed completely and spent years trying to replicate (hp, dell, acer, ms, nokia not to mention all the defunct hardware/service companies that fell to newer tech).
Boiling it down to one key product can be said of any sucsessful company. MS wouldn't even be here if it weren't for Windows. Google wasn't guaranteed the search win. Facebook with MySpaces death etc.
While there's much more apple can do as a corporate citizen the App Store alone has done more good for society and wealth creation than anything else we've seen as of recent time. You can throw in the smartphone boom and the expansion of mobile consumerism helping all sorts of new business models grow or take off in retail/travel/entertainment by putting a computing device on everyone.
Also, simplifying apple to they just got lucky with the iPhone forgets all the success in relative terms of the iMac and relaunching the computer business for apple. iPod and iTunes. It's been an evolution, one many of the tradional Apple competitors missed completely and spent years trying to replicate (hp, dell, acer, ms, nokia not to mention all the defunct hardware/service companies that fell to newer tech).
Boiling it down to one key product can be said of any sucsessful company. MS wouldn't even be here if it weren't for Windows. Google wasn't guaranteed the search win. Facebook with MySpaces death etc.
You're sidelining the issue. Apple's effective US tax rate and worldwide tax rates are about half what they should be due to tax avoidance. That's it.
You're trying to handwave. Are you arguing they should be forced to move money made overseas into the US?
Apple (and Facebook and Google and Amazon) need to be broken up ASAP.
They've been keeping hundreds of billions of dollars overseas so they wouldn't have to pay taxes. After they were given amnesty earlier this year, they brought some of that money back to America and avoided paying $40B in taxes. It doesn't matter how good their prodcts are, they were given corporate welfare (and avoided paying taxes) just like every other massive corporation.
They've been keeping hundreds of billions of dollars overseas so they wouldn't have to pay taxes. After they were given amnesty earlier this year, they brought some of that money back to America and avoided paying $40B in taxes. It doesn't matter how good their prodcts are, they were given corporate welfare (and avoided paying taxes) just like every other massive corporation.
Which assesses taxes when money is brought into the US. If they don't bring it into the US, what should happen?
They should be forced to pay all their taxes, not just U.S. ones.
Insane.
I don't really mind it like some others. I'm more bothered when health insurance and pharmaceutical companies make insane profits and yet many people in the U.S. don't have access to affordable healthcare. Those companies you can say literally kill people.
For the most part what Apple does is design products people enjoy using. If that makes them a ton of money so be it, as long as they don't become a monopoly.
I don't really mind it like some others. I'm more bothered when health insurance and pharmaceutical companies make insane profits and yet many people in the U.S. don't have access to affordable healthcare. Those companies you can say literally kill people.
For the most part what Apple does is design products people enjoy using. If that makes them a ton of money so be it, as long as they don't become a monopoly.
10% higher market cap is hardly dwarfing. Microsoft is likely to grow larger over time as cloud is a high growth industry.
They had an agreement with Ireland. They met their obligations according to that.
Hahaha. You call having the EU down their throats for tax evasion "an agreement"?
If I were a senator I would want their offshore accounts frozen if they don't. Pay your taxes. Roads need building.
Ok, so you don't want them to just follow the law, you want congress to make new ones. So you would force a company to move money to where you felt they should move it? They can earn it in Europe and then be forced to relocate it?
I think Apple's just about squeezed the ASP-raising stone dry, but their wearables (and services) are going to take off more and more in the coming years.
You're goddamn right I would. Its worldwide sales benefit from the R&D tax credits in the UNITED STATES.
Ok, so your issue is with the government then. You want them to pass new laws.
Good luck!