Wait seriously? Like yeah, the troll said right there and then he would leave the fun in while he was working on her memories lol.
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Lindsay Ellis: That Time Disney Remade Beauty and the Beast
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Wait seriously? Like yeah, the troll said right there and then he would leave the fun in while he was working on her memories lol.
That's the impression I'm getting too. Disney at this point seems to actively despise cartoons. Or at least high-quality 2D animation. It appears that Disney has shuttered all of it's feature-length 2D studios. The executives actually forced the closing of their Florida 2D studio in 2004 after apparently sabotaging "Brother Bear."
Disney seems to be okay with 3D movies, presumably because they have the high-tech wow factor going for them. But otherwise, it's as though they've regulated 2D animation to the kid's animation ghetto, and now are trying to rewrite their classics into 'serious' live-action movies. It's a bit depressing.
Makes sense, since Toussaint is based on France, but Geralt isn't exactly known to walk around indiscriminately cutting off sentient monsters' heads. He'd probably talk to Beast first and try to lift the curse. ;)
She does a good job explaining what the changes from the animated feature are without you needing to have seen the film already. Even if you aren't familiar with the details of the animated film, she covers that too.
Some of the things she explains may seem like they come out of nowhere, but that's because they actually come out of nowhere in the film, too.
I always thought the film looked like trash, despite liking the original, but yike those additions and changes sound real bad. Lindsey is killing as usual. Her output recently has been great between her own channel and those bite sized PBS "It's Lit!" shorts.
I didn't hate it but it's probably the most useless movie I've ever seen. I was enjoying what I was watching but it wasn't until after I was done that I realized, I had already seen all of this before in the animated movie. This movie really didn't do anything different than the animated movie. So why is it here, just useless.
Original is my favorite Disney movie of all time....Live action remake was good and I was smiling while watching all come to real life.
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I adore it and prefer it to the original. I really dug that they gave Belle more agency and resourcefulness (teaching other girls to read, inventing stuff of her own, etc), Luke Evans was amazing as Gaston, and the climax was better.
Disclaimer: haven't watched the video yet but doubt it will change my mind.
Disclaimer: haven't watched the video yet but doubt it will change my mind.
You should watch the video then. It tears down exactly what you mention in your post.
Yep, just like in his very first short story, which is a spin on Beauty and the Beast!
Though even now, I am cackling at the thought of a Geralt background cameo in this movie where he's trotting along in Belle's happy-go-lucky village with some bloody, hideous, mangled trophy head of a monster hooked on Roach.
Money. Same reason they did Jungle Book live-action and why they're doing Aladdin and Lion King.
SIx year olds tend not to have the cynicalnerdbecauseIwatchedcinemasins.exe setting turned on yet.
Pretty much. This thread and the video in the OP are just as unnecessary as the movie.
Film was fine. Neither here or there. I know it's a fair few people's favourite movie, so good for them. Couldn't care less either way.
Ew, disgusting. Get help. Your opinion is WRONG WRONG WRONG. How dare you enjoy something...
It was an OK flick. It probably didn't need to exist, but I can't think of any harm it has done.
I'll have to watch Lindsay's video sometime today when I have some downtime though...interested in hearing her thoughts.
I'll have to watch Lindsay's video sometime today when I have some downtime though...interested in hearing her thoughts.
The idea Disney set out to make a movie to appeal to "bad faith nitpickers" is a hilariously dumb one.
No, they set out to make a live action adaptation of a serviceable animated one, and so in a quest to be different while hewing to the classic they ended up frittering around and failing to justify the film's existence. Expanding character's roles needlessly or adding subplots that go nowhere (because they weren't necessary in the original) don't in any way apply to her bugbear of film criticism.
No, they set out to make a live action adaptation of a serviceable animated one, and so in a quest to be different while hewing to the classic they ended up frittering around and failing to justify the film's existence. Expanding character's roles needlessly or adding subplots that go nowhere (because they weren't necessary in the original) don't in any way apply to her bugbear of film criticism.
The funny thing is that even if it was a point in her arguments, her biggest critic on the movie isn't on how unnecessary it was.
I was honestly just bored out of my mind watching it. Unnecessary really is the best word for it. I mean, if I wanted to watch Beauty and the Beast, I would just go watch the existing animated one.
The critique in this movie's case applies to the various changes they made from the original to try and "explain" common complaints people have had over the years. None of it actually services the story and often works to its detriment. The original worked because it was a fairy tale, there's already a certain suspension of disbelief expected of the audience. The remake is an answer to a question that didn't need to be answered.
But like Lindsay acknowledges near the end, it makes a shit-ton of money so I guess some people "needed" those answers.
A straight adaptation of the Broadway play would have honestly been better, which this movie was intended to be during its stint in development hell.
I can't get over how poorly some shots are framed compared to the animation. The mirror is almost useless in the live action. It is almost a stage prop that the actors have to tell the audience what it is doing because it is not clear enough to show it.
It was their most popular movie from the 90s besides Lion King. It still ended up making over a billion.
Forget the box office, this is one of Disney's more popular films in recent years from audiences. A+ Cinemascore and I don't think it's left the Top 20 home video charts since release.
Beauty and the Beast wasn't bad at all. I think remakes like these are fine while Spiderman trifecta reboots are really weird.
Moving to Broadway plays can be hit/miss for me. I absolutely do not like the Lion King musical at all while I really love Anastasia even though the play doesn't have the fan-favorite (or maybe 2nd best) song in it at all.
Moving to Broadway plays can be hit/miss for me. I absolutely do not like the Lion King musical at all while I really love Anastasia even though the play doesn't have the fan-favorite (or maybe 2nd best) song in it at all.
I mean, I didn't like the movie that much, but anybody questioning why the movie got made is foolish. This isn't something like the Sonic movie where it's adapting shaky source material, they're adapting a popular, Oscar nominated feature.
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For me, this thread is no different to somebody posting a video arguing how Adele is a bad singer, or Game of Thrones is a bad TV show, or Mario is a bad game. Yeah okay then...
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Cavedaddy lmao.
Please tell me you at least watched the video. Because she has a sound reasoning.
I nearly fell off my chair at that, ha. I always forget how funny her videos are
Yes, "talk".
...We all agree that in this scenario Beast is definitely a power bottom, right?
Well you say that, but when someone rushes to the defense of a shallow Disney cashgrab and the only argument they can muster is "I will namedrop Game of Thrones because that's the same as being right", it's not really to their advantage to try and contrast that against any actual counterpoints.
Oh man, she really went in, and now with realizing a few more things that she brought up, I am even more frustrated with this film heh.
I really love that Belle has inventing skills, and that she basically designed that washing machine so she can read more, but yeah, they really didn't take those skills much further, which sucks. That scene really falls flat in the long run. And yeah that freaking book of teleportation was BLEH, along with the whole mom thing. XD
I really love that Belle has inventing skills, and that she basically designed that washing machine so she can read more, but yeah, they really didn't take those skills much further, which sucks. That scene really falls flat in the long run. And yeah that freaking book of teleportation was BLEH, along with the whole mom thing. XD
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Yeah she's great. Always entertaining with good, well elaborated points.
Seems like it...
Ok? This is getting kind of pathetic to be honest.
I'm sure they're so upset she didn't like it
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Do criticisms go away because a movie was financially successful? Why are you defending a corporation's profits over someone discussing the flaws of a movie?
I'm sure they're so upset she didn't like it
Some of the new stuff isn't even a bad idea - there's a lot you can do with Belle as an inventor, for example. It's in that very weird grey area where they shoehorned in some new crap so it didn't feel like a literal 1:1 remake, but also couldn't do a lot with said new crap because they didn't want to stray too far from the story. It's all very half-baked.
Oh the pop music defense, good one
I'm sure they're so upset she didn't like it
This isn't a clever response (especially given Eisner's quote that pops up several times in the video itself). It's not a zero sum game. Sure, Disney doesn't care if it's a shoddy film, just of it makes loadsa money. But critique has a place. It's what helps us figure out why art has an impact on our society and cultural consciousness.
I'm sure they're so upset she didn't like it
No one will remember or care about this version of the movie ten years from now except diehard Disney fans. But we'll remember the animated film for 50, for 100 years.
Critique is investigating what separates the OT Star Wars from the Black Holes and John Carters; Alien and Psycho from countless B-movie horrors and thrillers; Nimh, LBT, and American Tale from ... every other Bluth movie, and so on.
That's not to say forgotten gems don't exist, or that everything remembered is good. But then, it can also help discover why something got buried, or why we remember something technically flawed.
It's deeper than "movie bad or movie good". It's an examination, to help find out, you know, what makes art work.
Oh you definitely got her how on earth is she going to respond to that
I'm sure they're so upset she didn't like it
Quite enlightening stuff to hear. I only flipped through a few minutes of this movie here and there on Netflix to check out the adaptations of the songs. I had NO idea they were actually addressing logic/plot holes and other criticisms that had built up over the years from people smugly criticizing a freakin' animated family film made in the 90s with their "checkmate, you sucky writers!" insights about poor world building and character motivations.
Especially since Lindsay doesn't really unilaterally shit on movies all that often - even in this review she tries to highlight things she liked (or at least could see what they were going for). Her video essays for Pocahontas, Hunchback and Hercules are far more even-handed. She's done an ongoing video series on the Transformers movies that gives them way, way more credit than they deserve.
There are some people who just don't like critique and that's fine. Personally I love picking apart movies - good movies, bad movies, okay movies - and seeing what makes them work and what doesn't, so I like Lindsay's perspective.
Also - Anna Kendrick should have been Belle.
Just got around to watching this and yup, she's right. It's such an inferior movie compared to its animated counterpart.
You know it's hilarious to see these kinds of posts, as you're showing that you're nothing but a shitposter that hasn't actually watched the video in question.
You should probably watch the video. Yet another amusing shitpost.
I'm sure they're so upset she didn't like it