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skeptem

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Oct 25, 2017
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Essential phone is going back to Amazon, which is really disappointing. The jittery scrolling is too much for me to handle especially when I use the phone for a lot of text heavy reading.
 

DrFunk

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sony's mobile business is shrinking out of existence: https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/31/17633792/sony-mobile-xperia-smartphone-sales-earnings-report

It may be time to start prewriting our Sony Mobile obituaries, as the latest earnings reportfrom Sony indicates the company's already tiny smartphone business has shrunk by almost half. In the quarter ending in July 2018, Sony managed to sell only 2 million mobile devices, down 1.4 million from the same period in the preceding year. Two million phones. I'm pretty sure Apple will have sold more in the time it takes me to write this note of Sony sorrow.]

yikes
 

Beje

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Oct 27, 2017
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They stopped offering non-gimmicky new features like 4-5 years ago, and chipsets 2-3 years old (maybe 4 for flagships) are still good with updated apps instead of a laggy mess as they used to, look how the Snapdragon 625 is still being installed in new phones released these days. People are less and less compelled to upgrade every 18 months, it's completely normal. Also even though there's still some outliers and manufacturers that like to push the envelope, the body size has finally stabilised, which is one less thing to look forward to in order to be tempted to upgrade.
 

Rand a. Thor

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Oct 31, 2017
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They stopped offering non-gimmicky new features like 4-5 years ago, and chipsets 2-3 years old (maybe 4 for flagships) are still good with updated apps instead of a laggy mess as they used to, look how the Snapdragon 625 is still being installed in new phones released these days. People are less and less compelled to upgrade every 18 months, it's completely normal. Also even though there's still some outliers and manufacturers that like to push the envelope, the body size has finally stabilised, which is one less thing to look forward to in order to be tempted to upgrade.
625 is still not the base it should be though. LG and Samsung are still shitting out amazing phones for 300$/€/£, except they aren't even worth talking about because they are using SD450s or there about. Take the LG Q7+, I can buy it at 350. For that price, I can get a Nokia 7 Plus. And tbh, despite the single cam and smaller screen, I would consider buying one for the DAC and LGs UX feature set alone. But with a SD450 at that price? No way in hell. And then there is the Q7 Stylus+ which is an even bigger version of it which goes for 100 Euros more STILL with a SD450. At this asking price, Xiaomi and Huawei as well with most other OEMs are in the SD636/660 range for power, if not SD835 territory. Shit, even Sony is starting to make good in this department. But the Korean Power Duo, eeeeesh. They need to step up their game.
 

Mindwipe

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Oct 25, 2017
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Low end Samsung phones are crippled by a lack of storage much more than the processor. My SO's mother bought a J3 that was basically out of storage as soon as it first connected to Google Play for updates.
 

Faddy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Low end Samsung phones are crippled by a lack of storage much more than the processor. My SO's mother bought a J3 that was basically out of storage as soon as it first connected to Google Play for updates.

Yes. Complete garbage.

My brother bought one. He bought a big SD card but it can't really do much to help because most apps don't allow SD storage.

And for most purposes the SD625 and SD450 are basically the same processor. The 625 has a higher max clock but not really any better in terms of features in low end devices

Overall it's interesting to note just how much the Snapdragon 450 sounds a lot like Qualcomm's Snapdragon 625, their 14nm SoC from 2016. Both chips use a octa-A53 CPU configuration, X9 LTE modem, and Adreno 506 GPU. In fact the Snapdragon 450 is even pin compatible with the Snapdragon 625, which means that handset manufacturers can immediately begin working with the new SoC in existing designs. However given this close similarity, I'm also left to wonder whether the Snapdragon 450 is a new die, or a cut-down 625. In any case, the two chips still have some differences between them: particularly that the Snapdragon 625 clocks higher and features a more powerful ISP and video decode block.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11586/qualcomm-announces-snapdragon-450-midrange-soc

Essentially the same but the 625 supports better cameras that wouldn't be on phones using 400 series chipsets.
 

reKon

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Oct 25, 2017
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That ASUS ROG phone is actually very impressive. The air trigger control thing is brilliant. I would never buy a gaming phone like that unless it was on firesale for $200, but I'm glad that they've created something like this. I saw the MKBHD impression for it.
 

Rand a. Thor

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Yes. Complete garbage.

My brother bought one. He bought a big SD card but it can't really do much to help because most apps don't allow SD storage.

And for most purposes the SD625 and SD450 are basically the same processor. The 625 has a higher max clock but not really any better in terms of features in low end devices


https://www.anandtech.com/show/11586/qualcomm-announces-snapdragon-450-midrange-soc

Essentially the same but the 625 supports better cameras that wouldn't be on phones using 400 series chipsets.
Yeah, but even then at an asking price of 300+ the SD625 is still way underspecced for that price, a 450 is ludicrous. Samsung and LG are still operating like its 2008 and phones are heavily segmented into feature sets depending on the brand series, and not like smartphones now do mostly everything good/great/excellent depending on price range instead.

That ASUS ROG phone is actually very impressive. The air trigger control thing is brilliant. I would never buy a gaming phone like that unless it was on firesale for $200, but I'm glad that they've created something like this. I saw the MKBHD impression for it.
I really want one just to see how DS Emulation can work with that dual screen add on.
 

Beje

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Oct 27, 2017
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I finally ended up doing some investigation and got a Chinese Mi Band 3, since the official Spanish firmware is available since some days ago and doesn't require manual flashing or a global version. So far so good, let's see how does it behave with full HR reporting, sleep analysis and notifications.
 

Selbran

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Oct 25, 2017
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New MKBHD video pretty much talking about how badly the performance of his Pixel 2 degraded and that he is more often using the OnePlus 6. I'm curious if anybody here has experienced a slowdown because he also linked an AP tweet with the same complaint. It's really silly that Google is not offering the 100% best Android experience on their own hardware. These are the kind of issues you'd complain about coming from a Galaxy device, not the Pixel.

It seems like this is perhaps a long-standing Android issue that Google has yet to fully solve. It is kind of silly to think that hardware is getting more and more powerful and these kinds of issues still exist, he mentions how clear the difference between 4GB RAM vs 8GB RAM is in the video when in the past he didn't think it would be a big deal and it is dumb that you even need 8GB's of RAM when iOS is running like a champ with 3-4GB.
 

reKon

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Oct 25, 2017
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New MKBHD video pretty much talking about how badly the performance of his Pixel 2 degraded and that he is more often using the OnePlus 6. I'm curious if anybody here has experienced a slowdown because he also linked an AP tweet with the same complaint. It's really silly that Google is not offering the 100% best Android experience on their own hardware. These are the kind of issues you'd complain about coming from a Galaxy device, not the Pixel.

It seems like this is perhaps a long-standing Android issue that Google has yet to fully solve. It is kind of silly to think that hardware is getting more and more powerful and these kinds of issues still exist, he mentions how clear the difference between 4GB RAM vs 8GB RAM is in the video when in the past he didn't think it would be a big deal and it is dumb that you even need 8GB's of RAM when iOS is running like a champ with 3-4GB.

iOS 11 had a ton of issues though on 3GB of RAM. It's been resolved, but Google deserves a chance as well to get to the bottom of that.

Mean while, I still haven't seen any of the Touchwiz lag I was told I would see on my phone several months now done the road. I'm waiting guys....
 
Oct 25, 2017
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https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/r...0&MKM_MID=PDM68465&CID=eml-mb-cph-818-2282-V1

You can already preorder the new 'Samsung galaxy'. The trade in values seem ok, like pretty close to swappa values if you factor in fees and shipping.



New MKBHD video pretty much talking about how badly the performance of his Pixel 2 degraded and that he is more often using the OnePlus 6. I'm curious if anybody here has experienced a slowdown because he also linked an AP tweet with the same complaint. It's really silly that Google is not offering the 100% best Android experience on their own hardware. These are the kind of issues you'd complain about coming from a Galaxy device, not the Pixel.

It seems like this is perhaps a long-standing Android issue that Google has yet to fully solve. It is kind of silly to think that hardware is getting more and more powerful and these kinds of issues still exist, he mentions how clear the difference between 4GB RAM vs 8GB RAM is in the video when in the past he didn't think it would be a big deal and it is dumb that you even need 8GB's of RAM when iOS is running like a champ with 3-4GB.

My pixel 2 xl still runs smooth compare to my essential and note 8. The memory management is super noticeable though. Apps refresh often even when I cycle between like 5 of them, none are games. It's like I'm using a Chinese phone.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I'm still using a Pixel XL I got as a free replacement for my Nexus 6P and it's been running pretty well but I'm getting ready to upgrade. I've been eyeing the OnePlus6 and the MKBHD video pushes me in that direction more.
 

reKon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Galaxy Tab S4 is $100 more than it should be. I don't care that they're including the S Pen. This Tab S3 never hit this price, but $400ish would be my "why not" price. The one thing I miss about tablets is that it's always ready to go with it's all day battery life and brilliant screen that's great for content, especially when traveling. Now that we know that higher refresh OLED are possible from the Asus ROG, I'm hoping that Apple pushes hard on this so that we get iPads like this with better quality OLED. Maybe that will push Samsung to not be bums on there own shit.

But in all honestly, they probably wouldn't change shit because there's virtually no completion in the tablet space.
 

Aiii

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Oct 24, 2017
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New MKBHD video pretty much talking about how badly the performance of his Pixel 2 degraded and that he is more often using the OnePlus 6. I'm curious if anybody here has experienced a slowdown because he also linked an AP tweet with the same complaint. It's really silly that Google is not offering the 100% best Android experience on their own hardware. These are the kind of issues you'd complain about coming from a Galaxy device, not the Pixel.

It seems like this is perhaps a long-standing Android issue that Google has yet to fully solve. It is kind of silly to think that hardware is getting more and more powerful and these kinds of issues still exist, he mentions how clear the difference between 4GB RAM vs 8GB RAM is in the video when in the past he didn't think it would be a big deal and it is dumb that you even need 8GB's of RAM when iOS is running like a champ with 3-4GB.
The OnePlus 6 is just an insanely good phone. Period. You don't even have to say it is an insanely good phone for its price, it is an insanely good phone even when put up against the 1000 USD flagships. I sold my iPhone X because it can just easily compete with phones of that quality and price range.

Yes, the camera is ever so slightly less good than the Pixel, X and no doubt the S9. But it really isn't by much, and for most people it simply won't matter.

So yeah, I can easily see why you would replace the Pixel out any other phone with the OnePlus experience being what it is. With their current update policy, especially.
 

reKon

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm extremely curious to see what the OnePlus 6t brings to the table. We should be hearing about it in the next couple of months yeah?

I mean you shouldn't be surprised if it doesn't end up being much. For the One Plus, hopefully they move straight to getting rid of the Notch and putting in the in-screen finger print sensor in order to better compete with Samsung.

Huawei is also going to be bringing this heat as well with the Kirin 980.
 

ty_hot

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Dec 14, 2017
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Anyone else having problems casting from YouTube in Android P? The cast button doesn't show up for me :(
 

neoak

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Oct 25, 2017
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I rarely play games on this thing so for most uses it doesn't really matter. Think the battery life is definitely a bit worse though. Not sure what happened this time, the Exynos chip is usually better.
They went for performance by increasing the size of the cores, but made a shit backend for that.

Too big that sips power, too many bottlenecks around the cores.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm extremely curious to see what the OnePlus 6t brings to the table. We should be hearing about it in the next couple of months yeah?

Keep your eyes on oppo and vivo phones of the fall for some design cues.


oppod9pro_maain_1533014250190.jpg


For example this.
 

peppermints

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Oct 25, 2017
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What's the state of desktop massaging in Android now days? I'm looking to switch back but last time I had an Android phone (Nexus 6 on Project Fi) I was stuck using Hangouts.

I've grown accustomed to iMessage on my work computer to keep in touch with my wife. Is there anything seamless like that now?
 

reKon

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's funny. I haven't heard much about thie Pixel slowdown issue.

Maybe it just hasn't happened to everyone, but it's just amusing that haven't heard shit about this until the MKBHD video. Were Pixel fanboys just in serious denial and just figured the slowdown was not a big issue? If that's the case, then they can shut the fuck up about stock Android peformance and how everything else is 2nd tier. One Plus always had the best peformance anyways, but pure andrioid warriors may never acknowledge that.
 

Hasney

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Oct 25, 2017
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What's the state of desktop massaging in Android now days? I'm looking to switch back but last time I had an Android phone (Nexus 6 on Project Fi) I was stuck using Hangouts.

I've grown accustomed to iMessage on my work computer to keep in touch with my wife. Is there anything seamless like that now?

You go to messages.android.com and scan a QR code and then can SMS from your browser.
 

ty_hot

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Dec 14, 2017
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It's funny. I haven't heard much about thie Pixel slowdown issue.

Maybe it just hasn't happened to everyone, but it's just amusing that haven't heard shit about this until the MKBHD video. Were Pixel fanboys just in serious denial and just figured the slowdown was not a big issue? If that's the case, then they can shut the fuck up about stock Android peformance and how everything else is 2nd tier. One Plus always had the best peformance anyways, but pure andrioid warriors may never acknowledge that.
I have a Pixel (1st) running Android P butter-smooth. I didn't watch the video so I dont know of it is related to 8 or 9b but here, things keep looking great. The Pixel 2 has even better specs so I would guess its some bug that can be fixed (maybe they fucked up in an update? Idk). The fix is probably going to be Android P (final release), no point in trying to fix Android Oreo a month before P launches.
 

DrFunk

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Couple of other things:
- Estato forums say the Xperia XZ2 is the last flagship to use LCD screens
- Mate 20/ 20 Pro is said to finally have wireless charging, 3 cameras
- Pixel 3 is ooogly
 

Aiii

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Oct 24, 2017
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In a shocking move, Android P releases at the same week as new Android version always do. Quality leak. :D
 

Smylie

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