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borges

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
1,668
Argentina
Of course Sony will play the microtransactions game. Almost all the big players of the industry are doing it. People fooling themselves thinking sony was different its another story.
Other than that, ill just say what i said when the mtx drama happened with forza 7: yoh can turn them off, and game is balanced without them as well.
I dont ser a problem here.
 

woolyninja

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,028
Oh yes, after launching the game in a very barebones state for full price it was out of pure generosity that they patched the game to have proper content.

When will this comment stop coming up - the game had easily 30+ hours of great single player content and the best online console racing possibly ever. What more did people want? You may not have liked the content but to call GT Sport barebones is ridiculous.
 

Mutagenic

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,316
If you're worried about people unable to spend the time to grind out the cars they want, open up immediate availability with all cars. Progression in this game doesn't feel rewarding anyways. Just give people access to all these cars they paid for when they bought the game.
 

Fularu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,609
This is highly disapointing and will only generate bad will in the future from consumers.

Lying about it will just mean that people won't believe them in the future with the next installement.
 

potatohead

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,889
Earthbound
Poor launch and poor sales

Good laugh op

Anyone who played the game knew it was coming. They didn't change the economy. They are still providing free updates.

This complaining for a Sony franchise and gt in particular is predictable whilst other 60 dollar games charge up the ass for dlc or hats or other bullshit

Yet if yamauchi or Sony does it it becomes a cardinal sin not surprising
 

potatohead

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,889
Earthbound
Despite all my misgivings with the game, I personally don't think there is much of an issue with this unless the game economy for cars suddenly changes than what it was before. But that being said, let's not make shit up now.
As soon as I saw those driving points or whatever I knew it was a means to add mtx even if that wasn't what was used

Not everyone misspoke but I knew it was coming personally so I'm less surprised
 

Lelouch0612

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,200
Sorry but I saw several posters criticizing the fact that there are a lot of people posting here that didn't play the game.

I didn't personnaly, but correct me if I am wrong, the thread is far more about PD lying about the MTX than the implement of the MTX itself ?

You dont need to play GTS to discuss about that, it clearly sets a bad precedent.
 

joe_zazen

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,490
How were they supposed to make money on a gaas game without mtx? Either there is a translation error or the guy should fired.
 

aSqueakyLime

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,434
England
Sorry but I saw several posters criticizing the fact that there are a lot of people posting here that didn't play the game.

I didn't personnaly, but correct me if I am wrong, the thread is far more about PD lying about the MTX than the implement of the MTX itself ?

You dont need to play GTS to discuss about that, it clearly sets a bad precedent.

You're correct, people just like to use the 'but you don't play the game' argument, as if that somehow invalidates one's opinion.
 

Fularu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,609
How were they supposed to make money on a gaas game without mtx? Either there is a translation error or the guy should fired.
To you as a consumer their business model and profitability are irrelevant

The only thing that should be relevant is that they lied to you to earn your trust and then change their tune once you're in.
 

joe_zazen

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,490
To you as a consumer their business model and profitability are irrelevant

The only thing that should be relevant is that they lied to you to earn your trust and then change their tune once you're in.

Trusting corporations is stupid, as is stanning for them.

My point was that the guy either lied or is incompetent (hence my gaas needing recurring revenue comment) or was mistranslated. If no mistranslated, fire him or send him to work in one of those Boredom Rooms.
 

kickz

Member
Nov 3, 2017
11,395
User warned: console warring and ignoring a mod post
Sony PR working hard in the first few pages in this thread lol

Facts do not matter. Have you played the game?

OP is biased fake news.

This is a silly attempt at causing a stir - especially considering the amazing support this game has been getting since launch. These new transactions don't impact the game at all for those who don't want to partake, and I welcome the addition because it will help fund additional support in the future. But yea, I get the overall point you're making, but it's still a poor attempt to create a new controversy.

changing your mind = lying?
 
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Fularu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,609
Trusting corporations is stupid, as is stanning for them.

My point was that the guy either lied or is incompetent (hence my gaas needing recurring revenue comment) or was mistranslated. If no mistranslated, fire him or send him to work in one of those Boredom Rooms.
The guy is just Yamauchi, the game's director/producer since Motor Toon GP on the original PlayStation

He's prety much impossible to fire (and is on Sony's board if I remember right)
 

Fresco Vivir

Member
Apr 12, 2018
80
Well the mistake they made here that they announce that it will never have microtransaction yet they decide to add it one year later.

However, having this doesn't affect the game play at all nor the current prices of the car are affected by this update I see it's harmless feature. If you don't want to use microtransactions then don't as simple as that.

I'm not saying here that microtransactions are ok in games. Yet there are some games that abused microtransaction system such as SW2 and here in GT it's not the case.
 

riverfr0zen

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,165
Manhattan, New York
Sorry but I saw several posters criticizing the fact that there are a lot of people posting here that didn't play the game.

I didn't personnaly, but correct me if I am wrong, the thread is far more about PD lying about the MTX than the implement of the MTX itself ?

You dont need to play GTS to discuss about that, it clearly sets a bad precedent.

Sure if your idea of a good time is discussing the morality of an ongoing business changing a previous decision they made. But what is the precedent being set here? That they changed the decision? That, in itself, is the bad precedent?

That's pretty weaksauce. Unless it somehow adversely affects the gamers who actually play the game, there isn't much meat to that. "Oh woe, Polyphony Digital, you have wounded us all with your terrible lie that never shall people pay money to avoid grinding in your game. You were a bastion, man. A bastion. I never bought or played your game, but you were a bastion. Now our lives are all a shade lesser by your treachery". It's just comical, doesn't track or have any teeth.
 

joe_zazen

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,490
The guy is just Yamauchi, the game's director/producer since Motor Toon GP on the original PlayStation

He's prety much impossible to fire (and is on Sony's board if I remember right)

That's what boredom rooms are for, ;)

Although I suppose it might be a corporate directive for heads to lie to bump game sales, but I doubt it.
 

Lelouch0612

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,200
Sure if your idea of a good time is discussing the morality of an ongoing business changing a previous decision they made. But what is the precedent being set here? That they changed the decision? That, in itself, is the bad precedent?

That's pretty weaksauce. Unless it somehow adversely affects the gamers who actually play the game, there isn't much meat to that. "Oh woe, Polyphony Digital, you have wounded us all with your terrible lie of letting people pay to avoid grinding. You were a bastion, man. A bastion. Now our lives are all a shade lesser by your treachery". It's just comical, doesn't track or have any teeth.

Yeah it sets a bad precedent.

What would prevent a studio to make a PR campaign before launch against MTX to earn some goodwill and then monetize their game months later ?

And where the limit is if it is okay ? How big a lie can be and still be accepted by the community ?

Make no mistake, corporations will always try to generate more profit and as a consummer if you don't make your limits clear, they are going to gain ground little by little.
 

Decarb

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,643
How were they supposed to make money on a gaas game without mtx? Either there is a translation error or the guy should fired.

They were suppose to charge for DLC after first 6 months, but instead went with optional MTX route that you can turn off. The "guy" also infamously lives in his bubble and is unaware of modern outrage culture in gaming so he doesn't really choose his words carefully.
 

Minilla

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,514
Tokyo
Trusting corporations is stupid, as is stanning for them.

My point was that the guy either lied or is incompetent (hence my gaas needing recurring revenue comment) or was mistranslated. If no mistranslated, fire him or send him to work in one of those Boredom Rooms.

LOL, "guy should be fired". You seem to have no issue being part of this modern outrage culture
 

Lindsay

Member
Nov 4, 2017
3,134
The implimentation may be inoffensive but it still bites ta see such things added to a series not known for 'em, plus a lies a lie. Was reading the other recent thread about this game and it just continues to come off as the SF5 of Gran Turismo. Chasing that small online focused audience an leaving everyone else that enjoyed the series for various non-competitive reasons in the dust. Bleh. Polyphony c'mon. You above all other devs apparently have all the time in the world to put your games out and you drop this incomplete game for full price no less, an now go back on your word. Are we sure internet & hdd enabled consoles weren't a mistake?
 

Sid

Banned
Mar 28, 2018
3,755
Even if you can turn them off people should not defend this shit, IIRC Sony patched out MTX from GT6 and now they're doing the exact opposite.
 

Sid

Banned
Mar 28, 2018
3,755
Oh look. Another GT Sport thread filled with people who have little to no interestin the game.

Meanwhile 5.5m+ gamers who are enjoying it are blown away by the post launch support. The best I have experienced in gaming.

8 months since launch I and many others fully expected PD to have already transitioned to pay DLC. That's what you expect with most games. Particularly a driving game were it's so easy to monetise car and track packs.

So spare me the contrived outrage. PD are an example to other devs how we should do away with season passes and such. Keep your community united and generate extra revenue by means that have zero impact on the games competitiveness or economy.
Each and every person who has bought the game is blown away, how do you know?
 

Altera

Banned
Nov 1, 2017
1,963
So if I'm understanding this correctly, people are being given the option to outright pay to unlock cars so they don't have to earn them in game, but the amount of credits to unlock them in game is not changing in any way (aka being made worse to try and get people to spend money) because of this?

If so, I have zero problems with this.
 

Crayon

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,580
Was it commonly expected that it would all be free?

I think I expected more like a paid dlc pack.
 
Nov 12, 2017
2,877
User Banned (3 days): console warring, ignoring a modpost
This is a perfect example thread for how some users act differently ..if talking about Ms or Sony
 

Escalario

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,156
User Banned (Permanent): Long history of console warring.
Disgusting seeing all the Sony shilling this site allows.
EDIT: Also this thread is a great example of how Sony conditioned their fanboys to accept every shitty thing they pull off.
 

riverfr0zen

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,165
Manhattan, New York
Yeah it sets a bad precedent.

What would prevent a studio to make a PR campaign before launch against MTX to earn some goodwill and then monetize their game months later ?

Barring some kind of law, what would prevent it is if the player base was so appalled by the change that they left the game and didn't come back to it, or to sequels.

Not many people are going to look at GT7 and dismiss it because "oooh Polyphony Digital lied about MTX in GTS and is a pariah of the industry".

In this case, the market deciding is probably the best force for justice rather than some exaggerated faux-controversy that the affected market doesn't care much about.

People need to feel legitimately cheated in order for this to be important, and I don't think many people do.

And where the limit is if it is okay ? How big a lie can be and still be accepted by the community ?

Make no mistake, corporations will always try to generate more profit and as a consummer if you don't make your limits clear, they are going to gain ground little by little.

Yeah, but I don't see too many consumers in this case giving a shit. Certainly, I don't personally. I don't feel like I have to make it clear to Polyphony that any limits were breached, because for me they weren't.

In fact, I welcome the option to buy a car if I don't have or want to spend the time grinding to get it. I'd rather that option be there than not.

If there is something related to this that I would voice out, it would be "just get rid of all locked cars", as someone above suggested. But that would be a pretty big change to implement design-wise. The matter of 'exclusivity' and appreciation of cars comes into question. I know that may sound stupid, but that is a part of the game design.

Plus, they're a business, so of course they want to make money. I don't feel that them changing their original stance in the way that they have is such a 'hideous lie'. "No microtransactions" was never a selling point for me about the game.
 

Deleted member 20297

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Oct 28, 2017
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When will this comment stop coming up - the game had easily 30+ hours of great single player content and the best online console racing possibly ever. What more did people want? You may not have liked the content but to call GT Sport barebones is ridiculous.
Compared to former iterations of the game? Compared to the competition? It was light on content and no matter how you put it, for $60 it was barebones. Both cars and tracks. The post-launch support in terms of patches was because the game launched they way it did.
 

Deleted member 26104

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Oct 30, 2017
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You still bought the loot boxes with MTs using in-game credits, but not real money.

That's not what microtransactions are lol. Microtransactions are buying things in-game for small amounts of real world money. Earning credits in-game and spending them in-game are not microtransactions.
 

nib95

Contains No Misinformation on Philly Cheesesteaks
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
18,498
To you as a consumer their business model and profitability are irrelevant

The only thing that should be relevant is that they lied to you to earn your trust and then change their tune once you're in.

Not necessarily. As an owner of the game, and someone who's sunk over 100 hours into it, what's more relevant to me is that they've supported the game in an incredible way with constant updates of content, improvements and changes to its systems, for an entire year, completely free. We're not talking just small updates either, but massive ones.

I mean, the MTX thing is obviously somewhat of a lie, but situations change, and obviously as an owner of the game, I'd rather they keep supporting it, even if that means they go back on their initial promise, after what has been an entire year of keeping to it thus far.

Perhaps when making the initial statement, they never expected to support the game with free updates for this long, and thought they'd be working on GT7 instead? Who really knows, but to me the complaint seems somewhat nit picky when taken in context. Obviously Polyphony can't keep working on or adding to this game in notable ways for all eternity without some sort of additional revenue stream. It's either they stop the updates and work on the next game, or charge for MTX (sped up progression) or DLC, the former seems less egregious when you consider nothing else gameplay wise has changed.
 

aerie

wonky
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
8,035
This thread is for people who want to discuss their feelings about microtransactions in Gran Turismo. If you are only here to system war or make community generalizations, don't post.
Just a reminder, if you're here only to contribute a system war take on this, kindly don't. If this goes ignored, it will result in a ban after this point.
 

Decarb

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,643
Even if you can turn them off people should not defend this shit, IIRC Sony patched out MTX from GT6 and now they're doing the exact opposite.

Afaik GT6 didn't have in-game MTX, only an option to buy credits on PSN that was removed. If you have the code for bonus credits you can still add them to the game.
 

benzy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,261
Even if you can turn them off people should not defend this shit, IIRC Sony patched out MTX from GT6 and now they're doing the exact opposite.

No they did not. You were able to still buy credits with cash up until the servers went down in GT6, amazon even still has the listings.

Please do explain what is "shit" about this implementation of MTX and how it changes how the game is played compared to before this MTX update came out. While you're at it, give me a really good reason how paid DLC packs and season passes are a more honorable and legitimate means of revenue for the devs over this particular implementation of MTX in GTSport which will most likely provide further free DLC content in addition to the 8 months of free DLC we've already gotten.
 

nib95

Contains No Misinformation on Philly Cheesesteaks
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
18,498
Compared to former iterations of the game? Compared to the competition? It was light on content and no matter how you put it, for $60 it was barebones. Both cars and tracks. The post-launch support in terms of patches was because the game launched they way it did.

Depends. In terms of cars, tracks etc, sure. They added a traditional campaign only a month after release, so now you get that plus the pseudo version that was included in the game. But the online mode is orders of magnitude more complex and comprehensive than all other previous titles, and is essentially the meat and potatoes of the game. Simply put, there's no other console online sim racer like it. The closest thing in terms of the online penalty, progression and ranking system is iRacing on PC.

So yes, content might be lacking in certain areas, but that doesn't actually mean the gameplay is. Theoretically there's far more potential fun gameplay in GTS than several of the prior titles. It really depends on what you're after.
 

Arthands

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
8,039
No they did not. You were able to still buy credits with cash up until the servers went down in GT6, amazon even still has the listings.

Please do explain what is "shit" about this implementation of MTX and how it changes how the game is played compared to before this MTX update came out. While you're at it, give me a really good reason how paid DLC packs and season passes are a more honorable and legitimate means of revenue for the devs over this particular implementation of MTX in GTSport which will most likely provide further free DLC content in addition to the 8 months of free DLC we've already gotten.

Its not about the implementation. Its not about how it change a game. Its not about how it will generate money or the free content.

Its about the lie where they said they are not adding something and then adding it later.
 

Deleted member 20297

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Oct 28, 2017
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Depends. In terms of cars, tracks etc, sure. They added a traditional campaign only a month after release, so now you get that plus the pseudo version that was included in the game. But the online mode is orders of magnitude more complex and comprehensive than all other previous titles, and is essentially the meat and potatoes of the game. Simply put, there's no other console online sim racer like it. The closest thing in terms of the online penalty, progression and ranking system is iRacing on PC.

So yes, content might be lacking in certain areas, but that doesn't actually mean the gameplay is. Theoretically there's far more potential fun gameplay in GTS than several of the prior titles. It really depends on what you're after.
Thing is, gameplay itself enters the path of opinion. Yes, gameplay is very good in GTS and it controls beautifully but that's not really content. Also potential is evasive in discussions and, as you mentioned, theoretical.
With hard facts, the content at launch was just not enough, especially for a game that had amazing sp content in the past. Again, all the patching that happened afterwards happened for a reason.
I also don't think anyone argues that the Sport mode is the best online mode or that the handling of cars is bad, same goes for presentation. But people were expecting a different game from PD and they were and are trying to make that game post launch. That they are generating more money now with MTX is understandable but definitely a change of plans but I guess we can say that in general for the game.
 

Iddshane

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Dec 2, 2017
94
Maybe something change since launch and they want to add microtransactions to game now. I can still see why a lot of people would be mad.
 

Deleted member 8408

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Oct 26, 2017
6,648
If you're worried about people unable to spend the time to grind out the cars they want, open up immediate availability with all cars. Progression in this game doesn't feel rewarding anyways. Just give people access to all these cars they paid for when they bought the game.

This.

What I said yesterday:

The new conversation in our weekly online lobbies:

Host: "let's do this race with xxxxxx car"

Player A: "shit, I don't have enough credits to buy that car"

Player B: "just buy it as DLC! What's wrong with you, are you broke?"

Or they could you know... Do it like pretty much every other racing game in existence these days and get rid of the archaic credits/currency system.

It doesn't even fit the game considering its supposed to be online/community focused.

If you want to gate away powerful cars from noobs in Sport Mode then make it tied to safety rating like it is with iRacing. But for lobby racing it should be completely open in order to prevent artificial fragmentation within lobbies.

But of course, instead of doing the sensible thing they would rather have people pay real money in those situations.

The solution to this "problem" is simple. Get rid of this stupid credits/"economy" system to buy cars, let people drive what they want and do the offline events they want. For online gate higher powered cars behind the upper ranks of the sportsmanship rating system.

I will say one thing though, people in this thread saying this is "pay to win" or words to a similar effect have clearly never played the game and simply don't have a clue what they are talking about. Or they are just trolling.
 

RevenantAxe

Banned
Apr 16, 2018
1,274
You can turn them off in the options menu.

There was no change to the in game economy. Tracks, cars and everything else continues to be free with monthly updates.

edit: OP is technically correct though so I'm editing my post.
edit 2: https://www.resetera.com/threads/de...-in-its-new-update.58741/page-9#post-10932372

Sorry sir, But they openly said there won't be any in this game and now they have added them. People were crucifying Forza 7 when that game didn't had any real money transaction in first place. So ppl will let it pass now ?
 

Deleted member 8408

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Oct 26, 2017
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Sorry sir, But they openly said there won't be any in this game and now they have added them. People were crucifying Forza 7 when that game didn't had any real money transaction in first place. So ppl will let it pass now ?

Do you have anything substantial to say? Or are you just posting here because you feel that you need to seek some kind of retribution due to how the discussions around Forza 7's lootboxes panned out?

Too many posts like this littered throughout this thread. It's not about Forza 7. It's not about how those discussions made you feel. If you want to discuss that go to a relevant thread. This is about GT Sport and specifically why the introduction of these microtransactions are not a positive step.