Despite saying that it wouldn't have any, GTSport introduces microtransactions in update [Read OP]

E.Balboa · Jul 30, 2018

I dont think OP's intention was to debate whether MT were decently added or whether they make the game any better or not. I guess there's plenty of space for that kind of debate somewhere, honestly, mostly because PD's implementation don't seem inherently bad or game breaking.

The thing is, OP's point is that the developer lied, pure and simple. Anytime we are led to believe something and later on the stance changes , it smells of bad faith. Maybe PD wasn't thinking of adding MT during development, but a hard 'no" for an answer is a pretty straight stance. I honestly think it's a pretty justifiable reason for a refund. Anyway, that's what I got from OP.

Also, treating GTS as the perfect case for dlc done right is disingenuous. Game was released with a fifth of the previous game content for the same price.

Laughing Banana · Jul 30, 2018

Kyser73 said:
If they knew when Kaz made that statement then yes, it's s lie.

If I tell you I'll do something then change my mind at a later date, I don't consider that a lie, nor would I consider someone else changing their mind about something to be a lie.

A broken promise isn't the same as a lie.

Right, that's a good one. Next time someone accusing me of a lie when I break a promise to them, I will just say that it is simply the matter of me changing my mind.

famikon · Jul 30, 2018

casiopao said:
We already had damn huge reaction over amiibo lock content over here or even on old forum.

So rather than derailing to other stuff to protecc ur beloved GTS, how about we just talked about PD licking their own spit here?

Or you want to shift to Konami again this time lol as thats what you use to do?

You know what's funny? As a huge Nintendo fan, you even wasn't interested in GT games before. You posting here only because of controversy. Same applies to OP and some other folks here.

Zelas · Jul 30, 2018

I support MTs in games but they unequivocally lied. Sony really needs to have more oversight over PD though, just a string of questionable decisions coming out of them.

Raylan · Jul 30, 2018

statham said:
challenge accepted. Lets do this.

Ah, finally, here you are. I was wondering where you are after seeing you celebrating this thread here on twitter.

Deleted member 26104 · Jul 30, 2018

New Fang said:
The entire progression system in Forza 7 was designed around them. Do you think they just made the progression suck for fun? The only reason they didn't implement them was because Battlefront 2 came out soon after and the loot boxes were a PR nightmare.

This is just an outright lie. There is no shortage of credits being handed out in Forza 7, they just took away the increase/decrease in how much you earn based on assists and made it difficulty based. It's been shown in some of the other threads about this that the same race earns more credits on Forza 7 than it does on Forza 6 with assists off. I've pretty much finished the career in Forza 7 and haven't bought a single loot box other than in the tutorial. I didn't struggle for money or have to grind.

How about you don't attack a game that you don't like just so you can defend one you do like?

New Fang · Jul 30, 2018

TehPotentialz said:
This is just an outright lie. There is no shortage of credits being handed out in Forza 7, they just took away the increase/decrease in how much you earn based on assists and made it difficulty based. It's been shown in some of the other threads about this that the same race earns more credits on Forza 7 than it does on Forza 6 with assists off. I've pretty much finished the career in Forza 7 and haven't bought a single loot box other than in the tutorial. I didn't struggle for money or have to grind.

How about you don't attack a game that you don't like just so you can defend one you do like?

I'm also talking about the tiers system for cars. Many people hated it. There was no reason to make that change.

Ganransu · Jul 30, 2018

Ah ha! That's where EA did wrong, I guess: No option to turn off the option to choose microtransaction. Sony's still the good guy here, if just by a hairline. Phew! [/s]

Godzilla24 · Jul 30, 2018

Laughing Banana said:
Right, that's a good one. Next time someone accusing me of a lie when I break a promise to them, I will just say that it is simply the matter of me changing my mind.

Yeah, it sounds so ridiculous. Pretty much anyone can use that excuse.

bear force one · Jul 30, 2018

Laughing Banana said:
Right, that's a good one. Next time someone accusing me of a lie when I break a promise to them, I will just say that it is simply the matter of me changing my mind.

Ok that works for me.

casiopao · Jul 30, 2018

famikon said:
You know what's funny? As a huge Nintendo fan, you even wasn't interested in GT games before. You posting here only because of controversy. Same applies to OP and some other folks here.

Now after it is found out how transparent on you trying to derail the topic, you go on trying to post policing me?

This is a open forum. We gamer can comment on whatever topic we feel is interesting to us. Are you seriously believing that all those comment on some controversy lets said Mobile games actually played those games? Give me a break.

So again. Rather than come in here trying to derail with your usual shit. Why not try arguing in good faith on the current topic if this can set a bad predicament if we allow this kind of things to go pass just like that? Or you dont even care and just want to keep derailing?

ThisThingIsUseful · Jul 30, 2018

JamboGT said:
This might not be what you are looking for but they talk about it on the PlayStation Blog which is as official as you are going to get:

https://blog.eu.playstation.com/201...ague-events-and-more-in-its-huge-july-update/

This is before talking about any of the new vehicles or tracks:

While there are many car enthusiasts young and old among Gran Turismo's players, there are many who don't have enough time to play and save the in-game credits needed to acquire their favourite cars.

By making cars immediately available to purchase as DLC, we hope to make it so that players busy with work (or those who've just entered the world of GT) can acquire attractive and competitive cars quickly, and take their position on the starting grid.

However, to keep things fair and balanced for our existing players, all cars can still be purchased with in-game credits as before; meaning there are no cars that are only available for cash, and nothing will change in the way you currently earn cars, or the present car system.

Furthermore, GT Sport's priciest vehicles can only be bought with the in-game currency – meaning drivers will still have to prove their ability and effort out on the track to acquire the very best cars on offer.

This all seems very reasonable. Use it if you can't play often due to responsibilities, but realize that you have to put in the time to get the best cars which are only available with in-game currency. This wouldn't affect me whatsoever.

RounD · Jul 30, 2018

ebreda said:
I honestly think it's a pretty justifiable reason for a refund.

I am outraged, I bought the game in good faith that there will be NO MTX and adding MTX has hindered my enjoyment of the game, I want a refund!.. Well the game plays the same BUT still you LIED! It hurts to play the game when all I think about are your lies! :p

famikon · Jul 30, 2018

casiopao said:
We gamer

Yes, I see that. You're definitely "a gamer". Your "console warrior" posts only proves that.

statham · Jul 30, 2018

Raylan said:
Ah, finally, here you are. I was wondering where you are after seeing you celebrating this thread here on twitter.

so you follow because of why? we can derail this thread or take it to PM, I dont care. but yes. its KARMA!

edit: We can cont. it here. I'm ready,

Apex88 · Jul 30, 2018

Laughing Banana said:
Lol this is as clear cut as it gets. They said they would not do A, in the end they do A.

They lied.

As simple as that. No matter what anyone would say, the *undisputed* fact is that they lied. Period. End of story.

That isn't the full picture. As gamers we should want the best deal not rigidly lock devs down.

PD modified their post launch support to offer GT Sport players a better deal. Pre-launch no one was expecting free post launch content. At least not past the launch window. We're now 7-8 updates down the line with another year planned.

It's been the most comprehensive, consumer friendly, post launch support, this generation.

wbloop · Jul 30, 2018

famikon said:
Yes, I see that. You're definitely "a gamer". Your "console warrior" posts only proves that.

So because he's biased he can't post that MTX are shit, if he feels that way?

It doesn't even matter how intrusive they are in this case. There are people who hate any type of MTX and are pissed when they read about people defending them. He only plays Nintendo, so fucking what? Am I not allowed to post in general Xbox topics now, just because I mainly play on PS4?

Kaz lied, that for fucking sure is fact. And people don't like that, no matter the level of intrusion. I played over 60hrs of GTS and still think that the "change of mind" is shitty, even if the MTX don't bother that much. It's just disingenuous towards the customers.

casiopao · Jul 30, 2018

famikon said:
Yes, I see that. You're definitely "a gamer". Your "console warrior" posts only proves that.

Sure. Your post policing, name calling, thread derailing is even better proof that you had zero thing to talk except being fanboy to protect your favorite company lol.

wbloop said:
So because he's biased he can't post that MTX are shit, if he feels that way?

It doesn't even matter how intrusive they are in this case. There are people who hate any type of MTX and are pissed when they read about people defending them. He only plays Nintendo, so fucking what? Am I not allowed to post in general Xbox topics now, just because I mainly play on PS4?

Kaz lied, that for fucking sure is fact. And people don't like that, no matter the level of intrusion. I played over 60hrs of GTS and still think that the "change of mind" is shitty, even if the MTX don't bother that much. It's just disingenuous towards the customers.

It is useless to talk this thing to that guy who is famous for thread derailing lol. He already try to derail other thread when someone is talking about other things that he dont like.

I have litteraly said in the previous post on how consumer should not be lied on as that can set bad precedent. What did he post? Amiibo lol.

Laughing Banana · Jul 30, 2018

Apex88 said:
It's been the most comprehensive, consumer friendly, post launch support, this generation.

Well, not everyone agrees on this, especially considering the opinion that the game launches with a pitiful amount of content is something that is shared by many of its players. And yes, they lied. This is the 'full picture', I don't understand why it is such a hard thing to accept when the case is as blatant and clear cut as this.

Also, eh, this is my personal opinion only but I can think of games with more 'comprehensive' post launch support this gen, for example what Ubisoft has done for The Division.

Lukemia SL · Jul 30, 2018

Raylan said:
Ah, finally, here you are. I was wondering where you are after seeing you celebrating this thread here on twitter.

Pathetic.

finalflame · Jul 30, 2018

Laughing Banana said:
They should be more careful not to talk big back then, only to reverse course in the end. That looks bad no matter how you slice it.

Let's just hope that developers lying to their customers is not becoming a trend anytime soon.

I agree, it's shitty to go back on your word, but also honestly believe they spoke sincerely at the time. Unfortunately, they are beholden to shareholders and external business pressures. At the end of the day, they must comply with what they're told to do if things don't to according to plan. Not every company can have full autonomy, and in this case this is actually a smart business decision.

Laughing Banana · Jul 30, 2018

finalflame said:
I agree, it's shitty to go back on your word, but also honestly believe they spoke sincerely at the time. Unfortunately, they are beholden to shareholders and external business pressures. At the end of the day, they must comply with what they're told to do if things don't to according to plan. Not every company can have full autonomy, and in this case this is actually a smart business decision.

Well apparently the game sold huge numbers, with more than 5 million players playing it.

Which I guess, can make Microtransactions both unnecessary or necessary, depending on how you view things.

Apex88 · Jul 30, 2018

Braaier said:
No effect on the game? Doesn't the dev's comment on the ps blog go against that?

Pay attention to the bolded portion. Competitive. What does that mean if you're not given an advantage?

I've already corrected you on spreading this misinformation earlier in the thread.

In GT Sport you start with zero cars. You need to earn credits to buy (or win) them to compete in each Sport mode class. Every car in their class is theoretically equally competitive as they are subject to BoP that's adjusted regularly.

Once again it's clear many posting in this thread aren't even aware of the basics of how GT Sport works. Let alone the complexities of post launch support.

Sei · Jul 30, 2018

The_happy_leper said:
Fuckin lol where can you buy progression in Forza 7 with real money? Ill wait.

"The real money mtx in GTS is better implemented than the imaginary mtx that cant be bought in Forza 7!!!"

Seriously cant make this shit up haha

Is that why they made a big deal out of removing their Loot Boxes?

Why remove something if the community is fine with it.

Edit:

I never said real money. MT's can also be with in-game credits to get the loot boxes. That's what I meant.

Deleted member 42221 · Jul 30, 2018

Weird - normally games get microtransactions removed and not added later. Wonder why they did this. Do they need more money?

Agentten · Jul 30, 2018

They should just charge for all the DLC. I am sure people would like that more

Vanillalite · Jul 30, 2018

ThisThingIsUseful said:
This all seems very reasonable. Use it if you can't play often due to responsibilities, but realize that you have to put in the time to get the best cars which are only available with in-game currency. This wouldn't affect me whatsoever.

I hate this in all games though.

It's like in say a fighter having all the characters unlocked vs having to unlock them. Just give me the fighters since I paid 60 bones and let me have fun.

Don't wall off content just cause I can't play as much due to my adult responsibilities.

ElNino · Jul 30, 2018

Sei said:
Is that why they made a big deal out of removing their Loot Boxes?

Why remove something if the community is fine with it.

I have no idea whether the community was for/against the challenge loot boxes, but you still can't buy them with MTX (not that I'd care either way).

riverfr0zen · Jul 30, 2018

Damn, I need another million to get that F1 car. Might just pay the $3 so I can drive it in VR.

LifeLine · Jul 30, 2018

If you wanted to do this should've released a F2P version with purchasable cars.

No way PD gets anywhere near their usual budget for the next Gran Turismo if they're resorting to this. Time for the PD team to come up with new ideas.

TooBusyLookinGud · Jul 30, 2018

Damn, they freaking lied. Super disappointing.

Sei · Jul 30, 2018

ElNino said:
I have no idea whether the community was for/against the challenge loot boxes, but you still can't buy them with MTX (not that I'd care either way).

You still bought the loot boxes with MTs using in-game credits, but not real money.

I see what the other comment was saying now. I never said real money.

Vroadstar · Jul 30, 2018

Apex88 said:
I've already corrected you on spreading this misinformation earlier in the thread.

In GT Sport you start with zero cars. You need to earn credits to buy (or win) to compete in each Sport mode class. Every car in their class is theoretically equally competitive as they are subject to BoP that's adjusted regularly.

Once again it's abundantly clear many posting in this thread aren't aware of the very basics of how GT Sport works. Let alone the complexities of post launch support.

I agree, and it's easy to notice that fans of the other console came out of the woodwork to post here to score points that much is obvious.

I also think the OP wouldn't even care about this update to GT sport knowing his post history, yet here we are...

Raylan · Jul 30, 2018

Gxgear said:
Sony needs to rein in PD a bit. Feels like the studio has lost its way after being untouchable for several decades.

I think one of Polyphony's issues is that they are too small for the game they wanna make. I know they have two offices now, but still, they aren't that big as many people think.

statham said:
so you follow because of why? we can derail this thread or take it to PM, I dont care. but yes. its KARMA!

edit: We can cont. it here. I'm ready,

Seeing you raging on twitter now is more than enough. Thanks for the laughs.

famikon · Jul 30, 2018

wbloop said:
It's just disingenuous towards the customers.

How so?
1. They didn't lock any content behind paywall.
2. MTX won't affect SPORT mode.

statham · Jul 30, 2018

Raylan said:
I think one of Polyphony's issues is that they are too small for the game they wanna make. I know they have two offices now, bu. t still, they aren't that big as many people think.

Seeing you raging on twitter now is more than enough. Thanks for the laughs.

rage? nah bro, but I do fight back, you follow me for "got you" moments , you think will get you creds on reset.

cakely · Jul 30, 2018

Pickle said:
The same kind of people that come into a free update thread for GT to reply"bbbut where's the rain?"

Also: "Can I play the campaign offline yet?"

Deleted member 41931 · Jul 30, 2018

It will be interesting to see how they handle this in regards to the price of future "free updates". Them going back on the no MTs as well as the precedent other titles in similiar positions like GTA Online have set, don't leave me with much confidence.

Schreckweg 5000 · Jul 30, 2018

famikon said:
How so?
1. They didn't lock any content behind paywall.
2. MTX won't affect SPORT mode.

Saying one thing and doing the opposite is probably the answer to your not really genuine question

Deleted member 16452 · Jul 30, 2018

Wonder why they decided to add MTX so long after release.

Very shitty from PD to go back on their word.

tutomos · Jul 30, 2018

wbloop said:
So because he's biased he can't post that MTX are shit, if he feels that way?

It doesn't even matter how intrusive they are in this case. There are people who hate any type of MTX and are pissed when they read about people defending them. He only plays Nintendo, so fucking what? Am I not allowed to post in general Xbox topics now, just because I mainly play on PS4?

Kaz lied, that for fucking sure is fact. And people don't like that, no matter the level of intrusion. I played over 60hrs of GTS and still think that the "change of mind" is shitty, even if the MTX don't bother that much. It's just disingenuous towards the customers.

Ya, you seem pretty quick to defend someone who doesn't even play the game and try very hard to cling to a righteous position just so he/she can pile on this issue. The least they can do is do some research on how the game works so there's a level of understanding before everyone try to one-up each other . Developer lie = bad and developer lie = outrage is just lazy and create toxic environment when it's like this.

Buckley · Jul 30, 2018

Braaier said:
No effect on the game? Doesn't the dev's comment on the ps blog go against that?

Pay attention to the bolded portion. Competitive. What does that mean if you're not given an advantage?

lol, when's the last time you booted up GTS? Also, being competitive doesn't signal any type of advantage..

Decarb · Jul 30, 2018

spman2099 said:
It isn't super surprising. They are trying to make lemonade. That being said, I can see why fans would be disappointed/angry.

Quite the opposite actually.

Buckley · Jul 30, 2018

Decarb said:
Quite the opposite actually.

Agentten said:
They should just charge for all the DLC. I am sure people would like that more

The only ones outraged don't play the game or don't really understand how the game works. This is a non issue being piled on by disingenuous posters, for the most part. The game is right up there with F1 2017 as one of the best console racers this gen and being able to unlock cars with money changes nothing.

Deleted member 26104 · Jul 30, 2018

New Fang said:
I'm also talking about the tiers system for cars. Many people hated it. There was no reason to make that change.

What does the tier system have to do with anything? How was that based around the micro-transactions that never happened?

Apex88 said:
It's been the most comprehensive, consumer friendly, post launch support, this generation.

This is absolutely not true. Many, many GaaS games have offered far more content for free, with paid options that don't affect anyone that doesn't want to buy them, while also launching with far more content.

Deleted member 20297 · Jul 30, 2018

cakely said:
Also: "Can I play the campaign offline yet?"

As if both points are not a valid criticism...

Deleted member 20297 · Jul 30, 2018

tutomos said:
Ya, you seem pretty quick to defend someone who doesn't even play the game and try very hard to cling to a righteous position just so he/she can pile on this issue. The least they can do is do some research on how the game works so there's a level of understanding before everyone try to one-up each other . Developer lie = bad and developer lie = outrage is just lazy and create toxic environment when it's like this.

Oh believe me, if for every game only people who actually play it or the ones who have a strong interest in doing so, this place would be completely different.

Deleted member 20297 · Jul 30, 2018

Agentten said:
They should just charge for all the DLC. I am sure people would like that more

Oh yes, after launching the game in a very barebones state for full price it was out of pure generosity that they patched the game to have proper content.

krioto · Jul 30, 2018

not sure what the uproar is about (i actually do know - console warsz!!!) but no content has been locked behind paywall; merely a different manner in which to collect cars. so no biggie at all, regardless of whether this was ms, nintendo or sony. when there is a legit, non-paying option, then there is no issue

FIREKNIGHT2029 · Jul 30, 2018

None of this content is hidden behind a paywall and it's easy to get cars already through free car awards with daily challenges and the easy money from doing races. I haven't spent a dime in GT Sport and I never will since I already own 99% of the cars released in the game. I have no problem with them being microtransactions as long as they don't turn into pay to win in the future and are not intrusive. So far there are no signs these microtransactions will ever be intrusive or P2W.

Despite saying that it wouldn't have any, GTSport introduces microtransactions in update [Read OP]

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