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Despite saying that it wouldn't have any, GTSport introduces microtransactions in update [Read OP]
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Nope. It's just a dirty word that you can turn off - no actual affect on the game.
One of the biggest plights in the professional (and political) world is failure to refine and reshape ideas because of disproportionate 'HOW COULD YOU LIE TO US' logic from consumers and outside observers. No one gets everything right on the first go, and the dumbest thing a company can do is stubbornly persevere purely to save face and keep 'their word'. If MTX work for the GT model and don't provide an unfair, non-temporal advantage, who honestly gives a shit what they said a few years ago? Sakurai said Ridley was too big, but had a change of heart to adapt to consumer demand: that lying mother fucker, I WILL NEVER FORGIVE HIM.
Good to see common sense prevailing throughout the thread.
Good to see common sense prevailing throughout the thread.
PD did go back on their word.
The result is I, a GT Sport player, have received 8 months of free content. When GT Sport launched I never expected a single free car or track. Shortly after launch PD announced free updates until April.
Great I thought. That will appease some who thought the launch game was light on content. But after April I was convinced PD would transition to paid content. But no, here we are in July, with the biggest free update yet, and much more planned.
PD could literally have stuck to their word and charged for every DLC pack released. You see, that wouldn't be microtransactions, it's DLC. And everyone expects to pay for that. It's very weird to see so many (non GT Sport players) get hung up on semantics. When PD's decisions have given us players free content and a united community.
I get that they said they wouldn't have them which is annoying they have back tracked on that, these are in no way obtrusive or change the game. No cars are locked behind a pay wall and the cost in game hasn't changed. Plus you can turn them off. I prefer this to monthly car packs I have to pay for to access the cars.
I will never use the $$ option since credits are easy to come by in game and I have access to all cars.
I will never use the $$ option since credits are easy to come by in game and I have access to all cars.
Since there are no changes in the game's economy and there is no proof that they had this already planned during the design on the game's economy there is no story here.
In today's climate you should go and state that you won't have MTX with a hard no like that. Plans change and that type of statement will, as we all can see, come back and bite you in the butt. When your game is basically a GaaS since you decided to make post-release content free, then MTX might be needed to keep it floating.
I don't think they planned it so I don't see it as a lie at all. It wasn't a lie when they said it but now, after the fact, it's false. I feel that something can be false without being a lie.
And I'll probably need my flame shield for this but I am not against MTX per default. I think this implementation sounds great. "Time is money." Some have a lot of time to get what they want in a game and experience everything the game has to offer, while someone else has less time and more money and want to spend what time they have on the parts of the game they like most.
IF nothing changes in regards to the economy,
IF updates continue to be free,
then I see absolutely no problem with this. No not even the false statement that there will be no MTX in the game.
Plans. Change.
MTX is a problem for me when the game feels balanced around them or when the best/coolest stuff is locked behind paywalls. I can see nothing of the sort here.
I don't think they planned it so I don't see it as a lie at all. It wasn't a lie when they said it but now, after the fact, it's false. I feel that something can be false without being a lie.
And I'll probably need my flame shield for this but I am not against MTX per default. I think this implementation sounds great. "Time is money." Some have a lot of time to get what they want in a game and experience everything the game has to offer, while someone else has less time and more money and want to spend what time they have on the parts of the game they like most.
IF nothing changes in regards to the economy,
IF updates continue to be free,
then I see absolutely no problem with this. No not even the false statement that there will be no MTX in the game.
Plans. Change.
MTX is a problem for me when the game feels balanced around them or when the best/coolest stuff is locked behind paywalls. I can see nothing of the sort here.
Again, like i said, they should've released a statement or something like that explaining their thought process behind this decision. Communication goes a long way.
What they say one thing, and then less than a year later they say something else, what do you expect? I'm surprised your surprised.
Gamers have had a bad experience with microtransactions and have been burned by developers and publishers before, and pretty recently. It's not hard to see why some would be upset with a developer/publisher of an extremely successful franchise going back on their word.
I'm saying you can't call it free with MT's as justification for continued support at the same time. Because... Uh... Someone's then paying for it.
Lol this is as clear cut as it gets. They said they would not do A, in the end they do A.
They lied.
As simple as that. No matter what anyone would say, the *undisputed* fact is that they lied. Period. End of story.
They lied.
As simple as that. No matter what anyone would say, the *undisputed* fact is that they lied. Period. End of story.
This might not be what you are looking for but they talk about it on the PlayStation Blog which is as official as you are going to get:
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/201...ague-events-and-more-in-its-huge-july-update/
This is before talking about any of the new vehicles or tracks:
While there are many car enthusiasts young and old among Gran Turismo's players, there are many who don't have enough time to play and save the in-game credits needed to acquire their favourite cars.
By making cars immediately available to purchase as DLC, we hope to make it so that players busy with work (or those who've just entered the world of GT) can acquire attractive and competitive cars quickly, and take their position on the starting grid.
However, to keep things fair and balanced for our existing players, all cars can still be purchased with in-game credits as before; meaning there are no cars that are only available for cash, and nothing will change in the way you currently earn cars, or the present car system.
Furthermore, GT Sport's priciest vehicles can only be bought with the in-game currency – meaning drivers will still have to prove their ability and effort out on the track to acquire the very best cars on offer.
By making cars immediately available to purchase as DLC, we hope to make it so that players busy with work (or those who've just entered the world of GT) can acquire attractive and competitive cars quickly, and take their position on the starting grid.
However, to keep things fair and balanced for our existing players, all cars can still be purchased with in-game credits as before; meaning there are no cars that are only available for cash, and nothing will change in the way you currently earn cars, or the present car system.
Furthermore, GT Sport's priciest vehicles can only be bought with the in-game currency – meaning drivers will still have to prove their ability and effort out on the track to acquire the very best cars on offer.
I will still buy the game whenever it goes back on sale again, but the point still stands that they were getting praise when they talked about no MTX, but here we are...
Free updates are good and all, but when you initally charge $60 for a game with 4x less amount of cars as your competitor, those free updates should be mandatory until they have a modest amount of content.
Free updates are good and all, but when you initally charge $60 for a game with 4x less amount of cars as your competitor, those free updates should be mandatory until they have a modest amount of content.
Sure. The crux of it is nobody is going to really give a shit and this won't affect them at all. At the end of the day, Polyphony needs to make money off the game. Launch went poorly. A business decision was made to add MTX, end of story. Not everything is going to be Battlefront 2 just because the internet got a small "victory" over EA. This won't affect the game at all, other than boosting sales via the MTX.
They should be more careful not to talk big back then, only to reverse course in the end. That looks bad no matter how you slice it.
Let's just hope that developers lying to their customers is not becoming a trend anytime soon.
There are no microtransactions in Forza 7. Everyone was terrified of them and how the economy was based around them but they don't exist and never did.
If there's no competitive advantage, then I don't see why people are complaining.
If you can buy a top tier car with real money and then use it on online races, then that's when it becomes a problem. Some people just hear the word "microtransactions" and then they start complaining.
In the context of prepaid gaming (I.E, you bought that game to play), generally im against any use of real currency in game. However if there was any form of a micro-transaction this sits ok with me, it would be this. It doesnt change how you would traditionally unlock the vehicle/item, however you may be time poor and cant afford to spend that much time gaming, or you have more dollars than skills and want to pay your way through.
Its when devs/publishers redefine the games mechanics due to implementation of MTX, such as adding more time/effort/grinding to unlock what would be a normal item along the way, for the sake of making the mtx more appealing. Thats a major negative.
And to a lesser degree, content that already in the game, but locked behind a paywall is unattractive as well. Stick to traditional DLC methods in this sense, and work hard to add more value. Good will goes a long way.
Yet.
They're trying to get you to accept microtransactions now so it won't feel like a shock the next time around.
It will be harder to unlock things without money the next time around, by the way.
And if they feel like going full scumbag, they'll introduce a "balance patch" that happens to make things harder to unlock. That or introduce more dlc content with increased credit costs. But maybe not, that might feel like pushing too far.
These aren't new tactics in the game industry, y'all.
No effect on the game? Doesn't the dev's comment on the ps blog go against that?
Pay attention to the bolded portion. Competitive. What does that mean if you're not given an advantage?
Getting cars that are competitive doesn't mean getting cars where you have an advantage, especially given the games BOP settings in the competitive mode.
Genuinely, playing through the licences and mission gets you all you need to be competitive. And then you also get the free cars you get from learning the circuits and the daily free car you get as well.
Also given the 2 million cap for cars you can buy, at the very worst, starting with zero credits, you can earn 2 million in about 1 hour and 10 minutes.
Genuinely, playing through the licences and mission gets you all you need to be competitive. And then you also get the free cars you get from learning the circuits and the daily free car you get as well.
Also given the 2 million cap for cars you can buy, at the very worst, starting with zero credits, you can earn 2 million in about 1 hour and 10 minutes.
When they do something wrong I'll criticize them (such as the barebones launch). I have zero tolerance for pay to win and GTS is one of the few games that does GAAS right.
Not sure why anyone is surprised - GaaS pretty much lives and dies on microtransactions. Having players continue to play your game doesn't really matter if there's no way to make money from them. It's the whole point of GaaS - continue adding things to your game that players can buy, increasing player engagement and spending.
The worst part of this is the outright lies. They flat out said they wouldn't have microtransactions, and now they're adding them.
Personally I have no problem with the microtransactions. I didn't have a problem with it when Forza offered you the ability to buy cars with real money as well as with in game credits either. Microtransactions are a necessary "evil" (though I personally have no problem with them or loot boxes) in the industry. "Don't like them, don't buy them" is how I see it.
I do have a problem with the lies though, as many people used that stance to say how great they are and how they're doing it right and how their competitors are money grabbing evil devs.
I don't see your point. Polyphony said on many occasions that GTS won't have microtransactions, but now they've added microtransactions. They flat out lied, and people are well within their right to criticise.
What big GaaS games do you class as having "pay to win" microtransactions on consoles? I can't think of a single one.
The worst part of this is the outright lies. They flat out said they wouldn't have microtransactions, and now they're adding them.
Personally I have no problem with the microtransactions. I didn't have a problem with it when Forza offered you the ability to buy cars with real money as well as with in game credits either. Microtransactions are a necessary "evil" (though I personally have no problem with them or loot boxes) in the industry. "Don't like them, don't buy them" is how I see it.
I do have a problem with the lies though, as many people used that stance to say how great they are and how they're doing it right and how their competitors are money grabbing evil devs.
I don't see your point. Polyphony said on many occasions that GTS won't have microtransactions, but now they've added microtransactions. They flat out lied, and people are well within their right to criticise.
What big GaaS games do you class as having "pay to win" microtransactions on consoles? I can't think of a single one.
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Do you realize there's BoP in Sport mode? It doesn't matter what car you have.
Damn, I can't believe their introduction of the same implementation of MTX in Gran Turismo 6 made it so much harder to unlock things now in GTSport. Oh wait.
Of course, especially when you have people in this thread who never played in any entry in GT franchise :)
though, real OT is here – https://www.resetera.com/threads/gran-turismo-sport-ot-putting-it-all-on-the-line.637/
If they knew when Kaz made that statement then yes, it's s lie.
If I tell you I'll do something then change my mind at a later date, I don't consider that a lie, nor would I consider someone else changing their mind about something to be a lie.
A broken promise isn't the same as a lie.
Sure santa is not real. But it does not mean gamer should sit down and get beaten up by devs anyway they like right? Remember Battlefront 2 fiasco? Gamer fight back thats why there is change.
Fuckin lol where can you buy progression in Forza 7 with real money? Ill wait.
"The real money mtx in GTS is better implemented than the imaginary mtx that cant be bought in Forza 7!!!"
Seriously cant make this shit up haha
I think at this point the reactions are fucking hilarious. You mean to tell me that you, the consumer who obviously wasnt interested in this kind of online game, the one who didnt purchase it a full price, has an issue with a giant developer not taking your particular feelings into account about what you think is deserved accountability, because after months of making a statement about there not being microtransactions the developer looked for inobstrusive ways to continue delivering content for those who actually play the game? Anyone who has played the bare minimum after purchasing GTSport knows that this currency thing is a total non issue, but apparently the future what ifs warrant raising pitchforks because you, the non consumer, dont like being lied to.
The same kind of people that come into a free update thread for GT to reply"bbbut where's the rain?"
The same kind of people that come into a free update thread for GT to reply"bbbut where's the rain?"
Uh yes, it's literally free for those who don't want to pay. Acquiring the DLC in-game isn't any different or take more effort than the previous free DLCs before MTX was even introduced in this update. I already got all of the DLC cars, didn't pay a cent. I got it for free.
There is no challenge or anything to do. Was just a statement.
In addition, there's almost no grind compared to previous entries (thanks to mileage points and reward for a daily goal)
I mean this is very obviously a console war driven thread right from the opening post going by the most uh.... concerned users but that doesnt makeit any less true that they did go back on their word.
We already had damn huge reaction over amiibo lock content over here or even on old forum.
So rather than derailing to other stuff to protecc ur beloved GTS, how about we just talked about PD licking their own spit here?
Or you want to shift to Konami again this time lol as thats what you use to do?
The entire progression system in Forza 7 was designed around them. Do you think they just made the progression suck for fun? The only reason they didn't implement them was because Battlefront 2 came out soon after and the loot boxes were a PR nightmare.
This forum is seriously getting funny with people trying so hard lately pushing Xbox good, PS4 bad narratives. Everything is spun and overdramatized to the max. THEY LIED GUYZ. LIED!!
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