You aren't missing anything. The process to unlock vehicles is exactly as it was, and the ability to purchase existing vehicles is completely optional. I personally welcome the option and wouldn't classify it as "microtransactions."
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Despite saying that it wouldn't have any, GTSport introduces microtransactions in update [Read OP]
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You aren't missing anything. The process to unlock vehicles is exactly as it was, and the ability to purchase existing vehicles is completely optional. I personally welcome the option and wouldn't classify it as "microtransactions."
You can't be serious with this. That's like saying digital download is a disadvantage cause the download will take longer than getting it on disc from the store. It's so meaningless it's not workw bringing it up.
Correct.
OP had a grudge against Kaz initially saying no MTX or just MTX in general and left out a bunch of relevant details as if it didn't matter. The cars priced higher in the game than 2 million credits can't be purchased with cash. The most expensive cars in the game are 20 million credits because the game design is trying to imitate how rare they are in the real world. Here's a message from the game director for this update regarding MTX.
Kaz: However, to keep things fair and balanced for our existing players, all cars can still be purchased with in-game credits as before; there are no cars that are only available for cash, and nothing will change in the way you currently earn cars, or the present car system.
Furthermore, GT Sport's priciest vehicles can only be bought with the in-game currency – meaning drivers will still have to prove their ability and effort out on the track to acquire the very best cars on offer.
https://blog.us.playstation.com/201...port-july-update-new-cars-league-events-more/
Furthermore, GT Sport's priciest vehicles can only be bought with the in-game currency – meaning drivers will still have to prove their ability and effort out on the track to acquire the very best cars on offer.
https://blog.us.playstation.com/201...port-july-update-new-cars-league-events-more/
Go into threads that discuss UE early unlocks unfairly benefitting those players.
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I don't think you quite understood my posts, the mod's update doesn't go against it.
Thanks. That's consistent with Forza cars... just that you can't buy them without real money there (little credit goes to Turn 10 for never contradicting their messaging about microtransactions though). Still, if GTS keeps this up, their system is more consumer friendly.
They are literally microtransactions. The problem is that during the whole "lootbox revolution", people started mixing regular microtransactions with lootboxes, and cosmetic-only lootboxes with pay2win.
The first two are mostly fine, the last one is not, but it seems clear GT:S is just regular microtransaction shortcuts for people that want something in particular and don't want the "grind".
A whole hour "advantage" with that car...wow, yes you are right, being very pedantic but yes you are correct. People who suck at the game will still suck after an hour, however. This change was something that the pro players wanted so they could catch up fast.
As someone mentioned above, should we go into the advantage of physical over digital or the advantage of having a good steering wheel too?
I see no problem with this given they're still just normal unlocks. Hell, I'd love for some games to do this.
So they changed their mind... Should have said nothing so they wouldn't get the bad press and opinions of certain part of the gaming community..
That said, if it doesn't really affect the game at all and only gives players more possibilities and choices i wonder how anyone with minimal criteria can see this as bad news.
That said, if it doesn't really affect the game at all and only gives players more possibilities and choices i wonder how anyone with minimal criteria can see this as bad news.
Good lord...PD added an "option" to use real money while at the same time not affecting the current system in any way shape or form?
Yeah, it's a white lie...but people are really saying it's now "ruined"? Amazing.
Yeah, it's a white lie...but people are really saying it's now "ruined"? Amazing.
I had no idea microtransactions have been in GTS for 8 months. Perhaps OP better update the thread.
Higher cost? Na, too obvious. More likely credits earned might be tweaked. Lots of variables at play, there's even jobs for clever people for this type of thing. Not saying GT Sport will succumb to the same kind of bullshit, but don't be so naive either.
One person in this whole thread said the game was now "ruined".
Lets not make it seems like people are up in arms and complaining about this, quite a few people in this thread are annoyed PD/Sony lied, some have stated they expected it, others understand why it happened, others don't think it's a big deal.
So now that there is monetization, do people expect that any and all future updates will be free?
I honestly don't know what to think or expect when it comes to Polyphony and GT.
I honestly don't know what to think or expect when it comes to Polyphony and GT.
Wha...? Is there some sort of gameplay advantage from the physical edition? I have the game digitally and have not identified any advantage that comes from having a physical copy.
Wouldn't be surprised does not mean it's true. That is why I said 3m+. There are 5m+ players. Since there could be more than one player on any sold copy we know it's not 1:1. Hence why I said 3m+. It could be above 5m. We just don't know. Let's stick to 3m+
You get to unlock a car earlier and "train" for a few more hours/minutes. Literally the same advantage he was saying.
The point was that is silly to claim this brings advantages to players.
No, it's not.
You're assuming they're salivating, rubbing their hands in giddy anticipation at the opportunities for deeper, more predatory monetization, which they have had the power to include even before they detailed their plans for the game, but didn't and haven't.
Again, no. Not necessarily. Any tweaks or changes will only ruffle the feathers of those already with an axe to grind for microtransactions in general; minor additive ones and full on paywall alike.
Nope.
None of these rewards further your game progression, offer aid, or effectively change your performance or experience .
What they do now is up to PD and I have no idea where they'll go with this. You seem awfully damn sure that I *do* though, based upon nothing, so please, stop trying and failing to read my mind.
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The 'problem' (it's really just a discussion) is that the devs said definitively that there'd be no microtransactions in GTS. They were asked and they said 'no'. 9 months later, they've seemingly changed their mind as the mtx have arrived in the latest update.
OPs post wasn't a judgement call on the quality of the mtx model or the rights or wrongs of microtransactions. It was a 'hey, this first party studio said one thing about in game microtransactions and are now doing the opposite'. That's it.
I find it weird how many people are entering the thread and just completely misunderstanding this. It's super basic. Read the OP.
Yep. Thats my caution with Sony. Like what happens going forward? For example if they someday say free backwards compatibility in PS5 or no more killing game servers,who's to say they'll ever stick to that when they've just done a 180 and added Micro Transactions to GTSport? They told us this wouldn't happen for GTSport and yet here it is. It sets a bad tone going into next gen.
Poor form from Polophony and it's embarrassing reading the defensiveness early on in the thread.
Get offyour high horse will you?
I ask if this kind of misleading communication (a lie actually) could lead to a lawsuit... I think it could in the US. Don't you? (I am not even in the US fyi). That kind of legal problem could hurt Sony/GT's reputation pretty bad imo (look at BF2).
About the "PD released a full game" bit... The game is still unfinished as Kaz himself said that rain would come at a later date. So, you are factually wrong. They still haven't delivered what they promised.
And I fail to see how MY opinion on what PD delivers or not is less relevant than yours or than anybody else actually.
From the OP:
MOD: This thread is for people who want to discuss their feelings about microtransactions in Gran Turismo. If you are only here to system war or make community generalizations, don't post.
Kaz said GTS would have around 500 cars in the end. Does anyone expect the 250 left to be free?
My 2 cents: 2 scenarios:
1- there will be more and more cars to buy...and less and less ways to earn good money. Pushing more and more people towards MTX.
2- they will just sell DLC
I always felt like GTS was pretty rad in terms of money and prizes...am I being paranoid ? (honest question)
BTW, now we know the reason why you can't sell the cars you earned...
Before now I expected some kind of paid content to release somewhere down the line. Car packs really. Maybe a track pack or hybrid mix of cars and tracks. Also thought Mileage looked like the kind of special currency that games use for extra purchases, and most mileage purchases are purely cosmetic, so that was one way this could have gone.
But now that there are optional paid car unlocks maybe those alone can subsidize future updates, including fleshing out the roster to that full 500 along with some additional tracks? I have no idea whether that could work, but if so, that sounds good to me. The thing is, without any details or road map or communication at all, who's to know what to expect? Does PD even know for sure?
And I agree with you on GTS being great with its payouts as is. I do love the game, have never even touched multiplayer, and have a nice sizable garage full of cars, all rewarded in-game from doing the daily workouts (I loves me my time trials). So if I can unlock cars at a daily clip without spending in-game credits or real money, I'd like to think that most people could.
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PD released a full game, sold as a stand-alone game and it is your contract with Sony. You are not owed more content. PD releasing more content does not make the base game "unfinished". Other games having more cars or tracks does not make GT:S unfinished. It is 100% product + additional product, not 50% base game and 50% updates.
What you think about the quality or content of GT Sport does not dictate what Sony owes you. You can say that the price/content of the base game was bad or unjustified. It is not my opinion that Sony doesn't owe you updates, it is how the product is sold.
I dont understand why people claim that they are lying. Its clearly a change of heart, in my opinion. People dont have to like that of course, but i feel that its highly unlikely that they planned this months before release, then about a year later suddently put it in.
It's a bad look for Kaz even though this mtx model is not that bad compared to other games.
Still hate them tho
Still hate them tho
I haven't seen anything in PD's history with MTX or their current implementation in GTS that would suggest their incentive is to eventually restructure the in-game economy to force the player to resort to MTX though. In fact this implementation of MTX is similar to the same passive one as GT6, which had free post-launch DLC and updates throughout its entire life. It was a way for them to make money without making you pay for DLC, and they did not messing with the in-game economy. Given GT6 history and the free DLC we got in that game versus the paid DLC model they tried in GT5, I'm more inclined to believe they decided this method of monetization is the better route in providing post-launch support and not alienating people not willing to pay for DLC.
This is their message regarding this MTX update. Just more indications to me that they may be trying to avoid paid DLC. If they do start charging for DLC in addition to the ATX and we start seeing in-game currency changes, then maybe people should get concerned and outraged? Otherwise all I see right now is a simple method for them to get revenue to support future content updates instead of going for paid DLC packs and season passes.
• All vehicles will remain available for purchase with in-game credits; no vehicles will be exclusively available through paid DLC
https://www.facebook.com/GranTurismo/
However, to keep things fair and balanced for our existing players, all cars can still be purchased with in-game credits as before; there are no cars that are only available for cash, and nothing will change in the way you currently earn cars, or the present car system.
https://blog.us.playstation.com/201...port-july-update-new-cars-league-events-more/
https://www.facebook.com/GranTurismo/
However, to keep things fair and balanced for our existing players, all cars can still be purchased with in-game credits as before; there are no cars that are only available for cash, and nothing will change in the way you currently earn cars, or the present car system.
https://blog.us.playstation.com/201...port-july-update-new-cars-league-events-more/
Scenario 3: Nothing changes to the in-game economy, DLC continues to be free while people who don't want to grind will pay for instant access. GT6 is already proof of this model.
I think things like this are planed from the start.
You can see that PD is trying to be careful. Having limits on mtx cars, having a feature to hide the buy option - I just hope they won't become greedy
Personally, i doubt that. Microtranscations are common these days, and they were in GT6. I dont see why they would delay it ~10 months for GT Sports, then introduce it, all being planned from before day 1. Why not do it from the start in that case? I think them treading carefully now is because they didnt plan on it initially, but later changed their mind about it.
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That's one way to look at it. Another is that they went back on their word. They said one thing, months later they felt like they could make even more money, saw how the industry is, and was like lets put in microtransactions.
What they should've done is released a statement about this tbh, but oh well. Maybe say all future updates will be free/won't ever affect game economy/etc.
I think the game has been our long enough to warrant this but it's still a lazy way to unlock stuff.
As I said earlier the micro-transactions as it is now is not much an issue. But the fact that he said that the game will not have micro-transactions and then implement it sets a bad precedent.
I believe Forza 4 was the first to have the option to buy cars with real money, but i not sure.
I believe Forza 4 was the first to have the option to buy cars with real money, but i not sure.
Yes, this can happen with Gr1 and Gr2 cars, with the Gr3 and Gr4 cars is not much an issue since if you sign a contract with manufacture they loan the cars to you.
This is my issue with the thread. They should message as to why these are being added, but I think it's a stretch to say they lied.
Game development and business in general isnt static. Them adding microtransactions now doesn't mean they always intended to. What's more likely is that they saw a business need for it and adapted accordingly.
The Ferrari F10 in GT5 was 10 million credits, and there was no MTX in that game.