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Liliana

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Oct 28, 2017
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What a crazy world we live where Forza 7 gets rid of them and GT adds them in lol.

Forza 7 never had microtransactions, though. It had in game "loot crates" that were only bought with in-game currency, and actually removed. It got a lot of "concern" from certain individuals, though, so much so that a stigma was created that it actually had MTs when it never did. Funny to see the double standards now, though. The comments in this thread are hilarious compared to the perception MTs get in every other thread.

Forza 7 never actually had any micro transactions. Just loot boxes for in game currency. It was probably in the plans but never implemented.

Forza 7 never had them, they just had loot boxes which could only be paid for with in game currency (couldn't purchase anything with real world currency, which was a major misconception when Forza 7 launched).

Yep, exactly.
 

JamboGT

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Oct 25, 2017
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In all honesty GT Sport as a GAAS has been one of the most consumer friendly titles there has been, proper support with many updates, new tracks, new cars, online competitions with real world prestigious prizes and some really professional streaming of real world events.

I feel like it is fair to defend PD here, as I said above the MTX haven't changed the game, it is far easier to earn credits now than at launch, everything is still free and the support has been excellent.

Yes they said there would be no MTX but that was almost two years ago and plans change.
 

ShaiKhulud

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Oct 27, 2017
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Good lord, I'm glad people don't know about iRacing prices or Forza 30 bucks car packs. After that, one dollar for a specific car with untoched basic economy is sure a disaster.

The whole 'they've lied' thing is bad PR and a publicity mistake for sure, but phrase 'this time around' =/= 'forever'. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a native speaker (botn eng and jap).

Most racing games aren't released in a bare-bones state.
Ahahahahahahahah. Both PCars and Assetto Corsa are literally Early Access titles. GaaS model with light content on launch is fairly normal practice if you play your sims somewhere beyond consoles.
 

NO!R

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Oct 26, 2017
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There are so many shitty naive posts in this thread.

A GaaS game needs some ways to make money, especially with releasing free updates to a player base that is not constantly growing.

If you want free support to continue in your dear game you need to accept some degree of monetization.

Also comparing this to Forza's loot boxes is utterly disingenuous and blatant fanboy narrative.
 
Dec 4, 2017
11,481
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Weird situation , they said that the game would not have and yet they put. People say that nothing has changed in the economy, and that is good, but there is a chance that this will pave the way for some bad aftermath. I really do not like it. All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one, I expected the same from you polyphony.

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Godzilla24

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Forza 7 never had microtransactions, though. It had in game "loot crates" that were only bought with in-game currency, and actually removed. It got a lot of "concern" from certain individuals, though, so much so that a stigma was created that it actually had MTs when it never did. Funny to see the double standards now, though. The comments in this thread are hilarious compared to the perception MTs get in every other thread.





Yep, exactly.
Yeah. I remember just the potential of future mtx in Forza 7 generated lots of outrage. It even effected tons of reviews for the game, but at least Turn 10 were upfront about the issues. Wish they got more love.
 

tmkn

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Oct 30, 2017
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Lol people still living in 2005

No problem when they deliver quality content like this
 

Ada

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Nov 28, 2017
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People in this thread spinning this hardcore, there is even image proof in the OP of the contradiction. I still remember all the Forza threads and the loot box controversy. Polyphony what are you doing?
 

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So I guess someone from Sony saw that, despite having 5.5 million sales, GTS is not making enough money. The game launched in a questionable state regarding content for full price and a price cut had to happen to drive sales. With hot updates getting the game a little bit more to something the majority wanted, the price went high again but sales were at least steady.
My take on this is that the updates in their entirety were never intended to be what they are now, they are trying to save not only sales but also the image of GTS. But it costs, potentially a lot more than initially anticipated, especially from a dev that's not really known for efficiency.
They know people will buy cars with real money, that's the whole intention with that. Sales are not enough to cover the costs with this game right now. Though I really believe that Kaz didn't want MTX in this game but I believe he also didn't see how this game would've been recepted.
 

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The "season pass" gives you one story expansion, 3 blades and related tiny missions.
It's still giving you everything else for free.

But yeah, it has a season pass. Not microtransactions, which was the point of the post I replied to.

A season pass is just a bunch of MTX's bundled together to be a larger transaction and then releesed over time. It's still monetizing extra content however you look at it. Again I have the game and the season pass so I know what the season pass contains thanks.
 

MatrixMan.exe

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Oct 25, 2017
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What is more than likely happened here is that originally they never planned to have microtransactions. However given the amount of free content the game has received over the past several months, they've realised that this isn't sustainable and are adapting accordingly.

Why people are assuming they've been lying the whole time is beyond me. This forum is so quick with the moral panic and shit slinging. Yes, they said the game would not have microtransactions but things change.

Stay toxic, era. Christ.
 

Hitokiri03

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Oct 25, 2017
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As long the additional content is free, I`m fine with how they implemented micro-transactions in the game.
 

rocket

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nice to see PD finally introduced such consumer friendly features to promote player choices.

Call me casual but I am looking forward to the day they start selling the platinum trophy on PSN store, so I can bypass buying the game and grind altogether.
 

NO!R

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Oct 26, 2017
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Your post reads more like Polyphony being the naive one here by stating beforehand that the game wouldn't have MTX, even with the promise of free updates including cars and tracks.

You're talking about Polyphony preemptively as of they're about to become Destiny 2 Bungie.

And now Polyphony has financial incentive to reduce the rate of credit gain in the game's modes moving forward, or to be more controlling over which events reward what and when, in the interest of pushing MTX sales.

Slippery slope! Phony Polyphony!

Seeiously, where is the honest discussion in here?
 

benzy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm thinking more along the lines of... Did the community or a part of it expect now mtx ever? I'm a big fan but mostly out of touch with the gt community here so idk.

I felt like mtx was coming but we didnt know when and how or anything about it and that was frustrating. Did the community get the message that there was never going to be mtx? Or were they feeling in the dark like me? That's what I'm wondering.

I think most people were expecting at some point for future DLC car packs and tracks to be paid DLC because Polyphony have literally been giving out significant free content for about 8 months now, and I don't think anyone was expecting this to be able to go on for years. We're still about 250 cars shy of the supposed total Kaz wants in GTS. Here's all of the cars and tracks given out for free since launch, not including todays 7 cars and new fantasy track.

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Instead it seems their way to sustain business and possibly further free DLC cars/tracks is with these MTX that doesn't even affect the in-game economy and only applies to cars less than 2 million credits in the game,

I guess a lot of people would rather pay for DLC packs than to have free DLC with "MTX" associated with the game despite its implementation not affecting how fast you can earn game credits. People thinking Polyphony's MTX in GTS is only an introduction to future bad consumer practices probably don't even realize Gran Turismo 6 also had microtransactions, which didn't affect that game's economy, and had no effect on GTS's economy design.

What is implemented here in GTS isn't even any different from DriveClub, except the DLC cars in Driveclub were locked behind a paywall whilst GTS DLC are still completely free.

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tmkn

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Oct 30, 2017
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They are changing daily races to weekly races, that's the only tragedy in this update
 

Malcolm9

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So it's basically a short cut to own specific cars you want if you haven't got the time. I don't see the problem really, they haven't messed with the current price of the cars so you can carry on as usual.
 

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Nice to see PD finally introduced such consumer friendly features to promote player choices.

Call me casual but I am looking forward to the day they start selling the platinum trophy on PSN store, so I can bypass buying the game and grind altogether.

I mean some indie devs have clearly been porting their games to PS4 with the primary selling point being an easy platinum over the past year or so lol

I know that's been the case for years here and there, but since 2017 I feel like the total amount of 1-2 hour platinums has doubled and Sony seems fine with it.
 

JamboGT

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Am reposting this as I got the bottom of the page:

In all honesty GT Sport as a GAAS has been one of the most consumer friendly titles there has been, proper support with many updates, new tracks, new cars, online competitions with real world prestigious prizes and some really professional streaming of real world events.

I feel like it is fair to defend PD here, as I said above the MTX haven't changed the game, it is far easier to earn credits now than at launch, everything is still free and the support has been excellent.

Yes they said there would be no MTX that is absolutely different from what they are saying now but that was a year ago and plans do change.

I agree that we need to be careful in regards to consumer rights and we need to call out when consumers are being taken advantage of but some of the reactions to this are mind boggling to me.

Genuinely I would like to see a game that has had a better live model than this?
 
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Footos22

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nothing wrong with this .
It isn't lootboxes or gambling or buying overkill amount of credits. It's literally just buying cars, any you want for a cheap ass price if you don't feel like playing the game enough to earn the easily obtainable credits. There is no advantages being given to paying users also as that's not how sport events work.

How do you expect them to keep supporting the game with free tracks, events and features when there is no additional income coming in other than new users buying the game. Don't be silly.

Just another faux outrage from people who don't even play the game or know how its been implemented
 

ghostcrew

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Genuinely I would like to see a game that has had a better live model than this?

So it's basically a short cut to own specific cars you want if you haven't got the time. I don't see the problem really, they haven't messed with the current price of the cars so you can carry on as usual.

Nothing wrong with this .

Just another faux outrage from people who don't even play the game or know how its been implemented

Again, the thread isn't an analysis of how good or evil the microtransactions are. They are totally fine. It's just a discussion that a major first party studio said that their game definitively wouldn't have microtransactions and then they added them. That's a notable thing. Not an outrage, a discussion.
 

Servbot24

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Oct 25, 2017
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And now Polyphony has financial incentive to reduce the rate of credit gain in the game's modes moving forward, or to be more controlling over which events reward what and when, in the interest of pushing MTX sales. Any changes to the game's rewards will now be dubious and suspect.
They didn't just now realize that microtransactions exist. They could have easily transaction-ified the game at any point and chose not to.

Faux-concern/indignanation imo.
 

SeanMN

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Oct 28, 2017
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Whether it's a lie or not, I don't know and can't say one way or the other with certainty, but it's possible that this could be a symptom of plans changing over time. During the pre-launch period they stated the game won't have MTXs, and it didn't, but after a year of free content updates, they may have felt that in order to achieve sustainability with their service update model they would need to implement optional MTXs. Who knows.

This is most likely what happened. They originally had no intention of adding these optional microtransactions, but over the course of the past 9 months since release, business plans have changed.

Is this considered a lie? In this case I'm leaning towards yes, based on Polyphony's comments on the matter at the time. It does seem that the way these microtransactions have been implemented is in a non-intrusive way, and apparently does nothing to change the core of the game, or the regular free content which is released, which is nice.

A comment from Polyphony on the matter would clear up a lot of the issue people in this thread are having.

This sounds like a GamerGate Jr. discussion.

"It's about holding them accountable! They lied! We need integrity and accuracy!" Thank god Yamauchi isn't a woman.

I mean, what the hell is this thread even supposed to accomplish? Will Polyphony go to video game jail? The outrage is absolutely ridiculous. I mean genuinely sit back and look at it from the outside: People are literally mad because other people have the ability to buy something in a game, even if they personally don't want to. They're mad because "they said they wouldn't!"...but so what? Everything indicates that nothing else has changed, all content is still available for free (and presumably will continue to be free)...so why the outrage? Because they said "no" instead of "maybe"?

It just sounds so childish, it's genuinely hard to take any point of discussion here seriously when it's so irrational. They haven't locked off any past free content behind pay walls, they haven't introduced pay to win mechanics, and they haven't said that this is the end of free content. So literally all of the outrage is because "they lied" and gamers want "justice".

When you get angry when people say gamers are entitled children, you can look to behavior like this, when a small inconsequential development happens, and it balloons to hundreds of posts where gamers express their outrage at a "lie" over something that will literally never impact them.

The topic of this thread is that Polyphony originally said GT Sport would not have microtransactions, and now the game has been updated to add them in. This is new information, and also information which is contrary to earlier communications from Polyphony regarding the matter. That is why the thread was created.

If a company makes a statement or claim with regard to an aspect or feature of their game, I fail to see how gamers are entitled in expecting that the statement was true.

Viewing this thread most of the intense comments seem to be coming from people who are arguing in favor of GT Sport and are arguing with the OP or others who are claiming that Polyphony has lied. Then of course, the people on the other side responding.
 

NullPointer

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Oct 27, 2017
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Is there any kind of road map of future updates and general release dates?

Because that would provide more context for these MTX. What exactly should players expect from the live service moving forward?

They didn't just now realize that microtransactions exist. They could have easily transaction-ified the game at any point and chose not to.

Faux-concern/indignanation imo.
I'm just stating what happens once mtx are in the mix. Also, calling my post faux concern is a pretty shitty thing to say.
 

Sonicfan059

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GT Sport never had loot boxes, a bad practice to earn money, to begin with. And they're not adding them now. In fact what they are adding, to help pay for all the free updates they've been doing, is pretty unintrusive.

A lot of shit posts in this thread. I gotta assume a lot of folks dunking on the game haven't played it. Game is pretty rad.
When it comes to GT the shit posting is best! You can sniff out the ones who just genuinely hate the series and never intended to try it regardless.
 

Beastie91

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What is more than likely happened here is that originally they never planned to have microtransactions. However given the amount of free content the game has received over the past several months, they've realised that this isn't sustainable and are adapting accordingly.

Why people are assuming they've been lying the whole time is beyond me. This forum is so quick with the moral panic and shit slinging. Yes, they said the game would not have microtransactions but things change.

Stay toxic, era. Christ.

I mean its either they lied or suck really really really bad at being transparent to their audience. Which could have easily been avoided from the start if they said well down the line we may change are stance on adding in MT.
 

Lelouch0612

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Am reposting this as I got the bottom of the page:

In all honesty GT Sport as a GAAS has been one of the most consumer friendly titles there has been, proper support with many updates, new tracks, new cars, online competitions with real world prestigious prizes and some really professional streaming of real world events.

I feel like it is fair to defend PD here, as I said above the MTX haven't changed the game, it is far easier to earn credits now than at launch, everything is still free and the support has been excellent.

Yes they said there would be no MTX that is absolutely different from what they are saying now but that was almost two years ago and plans do change.

I agree that we need to be careful in regards to consumer rights and we need to call out when consumers are being taken advantage of but some of the reactions to this are mind boggling to me.

Genuinely I would like to see a game that has had a better live model than this?

Some of the things you say are reasonable but you don't need to lie/bend the reality to make your point :

Yes they said there would be no MTX that is absolutely different from what they are saying now but that was almost two years ago and plans do change.

Less than a year ago.
 

Chalfonts

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Apr 3, 2018
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i can understand it from Sony's perspective as the game has sold poorly, and wont be selling much more given the terrible reviews it got. They're not a charity

What i don't understand is the cavalcade of people whose first instinct was to defend Sony for going back on their word. Not surprising behaviour but pathetic and embarrassing nonetheless
 

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Just another faux outrage from people who don't even play the game or know how its been implemented

I think the thing that has annoyed most people who are actually having a respectful discussion (not the users saying lol "for the players" etc) is the fact that PD did say that the game would not have MTX's so I do understand the concern to some degree even if it has been overblown as is usually the case on this forum.
 

Seganomics

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Genuinely I would like to see a game that has had a better live model than this?

I mean we could argue over if any game has a better model than GT:S. But there are plenty of games out there that deliver great post-launch content. Many of those use MTX as a compliment to that model. Most of those games divulge this from the start. Polyphony seemed to have made the mistake of promising all this without the need for MTX and have now rolled that back.
That's the crux of this thread. All that other stuff is cool though.
 

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They pulled an Ubisoft. At least the economy hasn't changed yet. Too much concern in this thread however.
 

MatrixMan.exe

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I mean its either they lied or suck really really really bad at being transparent to their audience. Which could have easily been avoided from the start if they said well down the line we may change are stance on adding in MT.

They should have said this ahead of time, I'm with you there. That they're adding them isn't inherently a problem thought even if they said they wouldn't originally.

I'm sure there are sound business reasons for it but they should explain those.
 

benzy

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And now Polyphony has financial incentive to reduce the rate of credit gain in the game's modes moving forward, or to be more controlling over which events reward what and when, in the interest of pushing MTX sales. Any changes to the game's rewards will now be dubious and suspect.

Gran Turismo 6 launched as a "full game" and had MTX from the start. That didn't affect the game's economy design which was literally the same as past Gran Turismos, and it also didn't affect how the game currency economy was designed in GTSport. It would only be a concern if we actually started making less money for all the races we do in the game, which I don't see them changing at all, or even removing the daily workout car gifts.

Pretty sure most people don't even remember that GT6 had MTX. And again, what's implemented here isn't any different from DriveClub; I can't even recall any massive outrage over that back then (some people even seem to have forgotten), and both of us were pretty big DriveClub players.