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benzy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,262
Being 100% here, I think the reason that they started the Free updates was that the game they shipped did not have the content to justify the price of the game. Even after all the updates, I don't feel the price of admission versus the content (cars/tracks) is justified. Granted the game looks and plays great/fantastic no doubt, but I never seen a more bare bones game like this before and imho the reason for the free updates was that the team knew they shipped a game with little content.

Considering Gran Turismo 6 launched with more complete content than GTS and Polyphony were still providing free updates, cars, and tracks to that game for 2-3 years, I wouldn't really make this assumption.
 

Deleted member 1726

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
9,661
Do you even play the game? Its been near a year so they have not "waited" for reviews plus actually playing the game you see how easy it is to get credits. In my near year of playing i would never have needed to spend a cent. However if the option is there who cares? As long as it doesn't affect how the credits currently are there is no problem

And another one that doesn't get, this is just the top of the slope
 

Crayon

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,580
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did they ever say that GT Sport would never feature MTX?

There's a huge difference between making a statement before launch about the game, in its current state, and making a promise to the community about the games future. It seems that PD were doing the former when talking about the game having no MTX.

I'm thinking more along the lines of... Did the community or a part of it expect now mtx ever? I'm a big fan but mostly out of touch with the gt community here so idk.

I felt like mtx was coming but we didnt know when and how or anything about it and that was frustrating. Did the community get the message that there was never going to be mtx? Or were they feeling in the dark like me? That's what I'm wondering.
 

Riderz1337

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,913
If this means more free dlc I'm all for it.

Not having to pay for car packs is a really good trade off, not to mention it really isn't that difficult to earn credits in gt sport.

Thx Polyphony.
 

Beastie91

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 29, 2017
742
Bay Area CA
Lol defense force out for blood they lied plain and simple. Now rather the lie has any real impact on the game or not is whole different discussion OP just pointing out the obvious.
 

janusff

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,135
Austin, TX
Meanwhile Forza 7 just announced the removal of lootboxes. GT has really fallen as a franchise. Forza has overtaken it in pretty much every way by now.
GT Sport never had loot boxes, a bad practice to earn money, to begin with. And they're not adding them now. In fact what they are adding, to help pay for all the free updates they've been doing, is pretty unintrusive.

A lot of shit posts in this thread. I gotta assume a lot of folks dunking on the game haven't played it. Game is pretty rad.
 

Klobrille

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,360
Germany
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did they ever say that GT Sport would never feature MTX?

There's a huge difference between making a statement before launch about the game, in its current state, and making a promise to the community about the games future. It seems that PD were doing the former when talking about the game having no MTX.
There are games like Sea of Thieves or Assassins Creed that come out and they make clear - yeah, we are a GaaS game and at some point we will offer mtx. I think people simply expected the same kind of transparent behavior from PD.
 
OP
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Oct 25, 2017
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This sounds like a GamerGate Jr. discussion.

"It's about holding them accountable! They lied! We need integrity and accuracy!" Thank god Yamauchi isn't a woman.

I mean, what the hell is this thread even supposed to accomplish? Will Polyphony go to video game jail? The outrage is absolutely ridiculous. I mean genuinely sit back and look at it from the outside: People are literally mad because other people have the ability to buy something in a game, even if they personally don't want to. They're mad because "they said they wouldn't!"...but so what? Everything indicates that nothing else has changed, all content is still available for free (and presumably will continue to be free)...so why the outrage? Because they said "no" instead of "maybe"?

It just sounds so childish, it's genuinely hard to take any point of discussion here seriously when it's so irrational. They haven't locked off any past free content behind pay walls, they haven't introduced pay to win mechanics, and they haven't said that this is the end of free content. So literally all of the outrage is because "they lied" and gamers want "justice".

When you get angry when people say gamers are entitled children, you can look to behavior like this, when a small inconsequential development happens, and it balloons to hundreds of posts where gamers express their outrage at a "lie" over something that will literally never impact them.

this is one hell of a take coming from someone who said he was going to be out of this thread. You are putting on the same foot a hate group and people discussing about MTX in a video game board
 

Godzilla24

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Nov 12, 2017
3,371
This sounds like a GamerGate Jr. discussion.

"It's about holding them accountable! They lied! We need integrity and accuracy!" Thank god Yamauchi isn't a woman.

I mean, what the hell is this thread even supposed to accomplish? Will Polyphony go to video game jail? The outrage is absolutely ridiculous. I mean genuinely sit back and look at it from the outside: People are literally mad because other people have the ability to buy something in a game, even if they personally don't want to. They're mad because "they said they wouldn't!"...but so what? Everything indicates that nothing else has changed, all content is still available for free (and presumably will continue to be free)...so why the outrage? Because they said "no" instead of "maybe"?

It just sounds so childish, it's genuinely hard to take any point of discussion here seriously when it's so irrational. They haven't locked off any past free content behind pay walls, they haven't introduced pay to win mechanics, and they haven't said that this is the end of free content. So literally all of the outrage is because "they lied" and gamers want "justice".

When you get angry when people say gamers are entitled children, you can look to behavior like this, when a small inconsequential development happens, and it balloons to hundreds of posts where gamers express their outrage at a "lie" over something that will literally never impact them.
Is this a parody post or something? Wow.
 

Pickle

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
772
Meanwhile Forza 7 just announced the removal of lootboxes. GT has really fallen as a franchise. Forza has overtaken it in pretty much every way by now.
Wake me up when they also remove season passes and give you those updates for free.

Its as if the criticism comes from people with blinds over their eyes. Even more insane is talking about integrity and how a "lie is a lie" or broken promises, you are making these statements towards a business not a person, and you bet your ass they will do anything to maintain profits so their work is accounted for. Look at the impact of this change and think about what it means to the player, is the content locked behind a paywall? No? Then this has no impact to the non DLC supporting consumer which would have any reason to be upset.
 

Eolz

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,601
FR
Uhm the first thing that comes up googling Forza 7 is a 30 dollar car pack.
Doesn't both Forza and XC2 (love both games btw) have season passes instead though?
XC2 is like Splatoon 2, an expansion with other updates given for free. Not microtransaction nor DLC giving immediate access to content or similar.
I guess for Forza it's a matter of what you consider microtransaction or not. You get 3 game editions, the season pass and DLC being included in those and not available any other way nor giving some advantage.
 

Alek

Games User Researcher
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Oct 28, 2017
8,471
There are games like Sea of Thieves or Assassins Creed that come out and they make clear - yeah, we are a GaaS game and at some point we will offer mtx. I think people expected the same kind of behavior from PD.

Agree, they could have been more transparent.

But they probably just wanted to keep their options open. It's perfectly possible that they simply didn't know at that point in time. All they knew is that there wouldn't be MTX for the forseeable future.
 

AegonSnake

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,566
Well, they have been supporting the game for free for almost a year now. People have gotten a new track a month and almost a dozen new cars for free no?

just let them make some cash off of whales. as long as they didnt raise the prices of existing cars, this should be fine.
 

Malkier

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,911
Don't see the problem. Game economy seems the same. Don't get why people are so quick to call them luars, game development changes fast and maybe it really wasn't planned. I hate microtransactions rarely do I touch them and I'd never touch this, but it bothers me none.
 

Saint-14

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
14,477
At this point, people should know better that if a game have online then it will have MTX one way or another.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but did they ever say that GT Sport would never feature MTX?

There's a huge difference between making a statement before launch about the game, in its current state, and making a promise to the community about the games future. It seems that PD were doing the former when talking about the game having no MTX.

"microtransactions are definitely off the table this time round", definitely doesn't imply only the near future
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Just in case anyone wasn't sure of the motivations behind this post.
It's "interesting " that a select few posters would use this to try and undermine the info.

Especially when the select few are pretty well known for what console/company that they champion.

The reaction if this slipped into another franchise on another platform would be totally different
 

Dan Thunder

Member
Nov 2, 2017
14,064
'kin hell. A developer gives away tonnes of content for a game on a continued basis for FREE and yet people are in uproar because there's the option there to pay a few quid to avoid the grind of 'earning' certain cars through play! Plus not only do you get free content, you get quality free content. These aren't just skins or cosmetic enhancements, these are new tracks and cars, both of which take a hell of a lot of time, effort and money to craft and test.

It really is the very definition of no big deal. If somebody wants to grind for a car fair play to them, fill your boots. If someone else doesn't have the time or inclination to do that what's wrong with them spending a couple of pounds/dollars to get that same car?

As far as I'm aware PD haven't changed how you earn cars in-game to make it a more of a chore and thus encourage payment so, really, how does this negatively affect anyone?!

You can huff over the fact that they previously said there wouldn't be any but given the amount of content the game give and continues to give and I see no genuine reason to be upset over this.
 

Hawk269

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,046
Considering Gran Turismo 6 launched with more complete content than GTS and Polyphony were still providing free updates, cars, and tracks to that game for 2-3 years, I wouldn't really make this assumption.

I really think that is why they have the free content. I have been buying/playing racing games for generations and GTS has been the one game with the least amount of content at launch. It just interesting that now they introduce the MT's, perhaps the now need to recoup the cost for the FREE content they have been providing?
 

JamboGT

Vehicle Handling Designer
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Oct 25, 2017
1,450
As things stand the way they have done their MTX are absolutely fine. The economy hasn't been buggered, new cars aren't anymore expensive than what has previously came out, everything can be obtained for free and you can turn off the icon in the menu.

Yes it's better without any MTX but this is probably one of the most reasonable interpretations of them I have seen.
 

oni-link

tag reference no one gets
Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,032
UK
Agree, they could have been more transparent.

But they probably just wanted to keep their options open. It's perfectly possible that they simply didn't know at that point in time. All they knew is that there wouldn't be MTX for the forseeable future.

Then say that instead of being asked, asked again for clarification, and then saying "no"

No one is going to kick up a fuss if your GaaS title has MXT, but if you say it won't have them and then change your mind you look like an ass
 

Seganomics

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,496
There are games like Sea of Thieves or Assassins Creed that come out and they make clear - yeah, we are a GaaS game and at some point we will offer mtx. I think people simply expected the same kind of transparent behavior from PD.

And yet there aren't any MTX in SoT yet. I was expecting them soon after launch.
 
Jan 10, 2018
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This is a 5 pages thread full of Sony defense force posts asking genious rhetorical questions like "how are you surprised trolololol?", which will forever be poorly disguised attempts to make the messenger the issue and the good old" as long as I get my updates", which doesn't change the fact that they lied, isn't it?*



*Watch me doing the same in a Ninty thread
 

NullPointer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,176
Mars
And now Polyphony has financial incentive to reduce the rate of credit gain in the game's modes moving forward, or to be more controlling over which events reward what and when, in the interest of pushing MTX sales. Any changes to the game's rewards will now be dubious and suspect.

And at least acknowledging the change (from NO on mtx to YES) would be pretty reasonable too.

Well, they have been supporting the game for free for almost a year now. People have gotten a new track a month and almost a dozen new cars for free no?
A new track a month? Not in my version.

Its a great game, but it launched very thin on content (cars and tracks). Those free updates have been about filling the game out.