Despite saying that it wouldn't have any, GTSport introduces microtransactions in update [Read OP]

BernardoOne said:

No fucking shit lmao


Did any of you really believe that they would make a online focused GAAS game without monetising it? That's hilarious.

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Monetizing is not the same as microtransactions.


Regardless they made the claim and it is odd they decided to go back on their promise or not implement other methods to monetize like subscriptions (only being used as an example of how different they could go from microtransaction.) to dlc or expansion packs.

somedaythefire said:

lol this really isn't a big deal. fun for the meltdowns though.

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When Ubisoft lie about a trailer or From lie about their games lighting system or No Man's Sky lie about everything, we're mad, but when these guys lie about something it's all fine and everyone is being silly

Hmm

ghostcrew said:

Blimey, there's been six Forza games out since then! Haha. I can't remember how F4 did it tbf. The car packs in modern Forza unlock the cars for you at purchase though. Straight into your garage.

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Good to know.

I did play Horizon 1, but forgot it came out after 4.

cakely said:

For the record:

I'd prefer that MTX were never introduced into GTS.

Polyphony should never have claimed that GTS would have no MTX.

Here's a pretty good indication of the nuanced discussion we're going to be having in the rest of this thread.

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There is already a decent discussion ongoing. But how about you cherry pick the shitpost (which every thread has somewhere btw) to devalue the credibility of posters with a grievance against this decision, because 'reasons'.

Salty Rice said:

So everybody complaining here does not want more Free updates?

Oh you want? Thought so.

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I mean, other games also do free updates without microtransaction...

MrPink said:

Sure, and I made it clear in both posts that it was not a major impact to me. I'm not speaking for others.

Which isn't to say, I don't care at all, but my perspective is that right now this is a small thing and if it becomes a bigger thing to its system, then bigger criticism should follow. I don't quite understand the blank/white militancy over MTX (yes it exists, but there are scales to that), and perhaps that's because there's a level of cynicism I don't have in terms of how it devolves over time, but so far, PD's support has been fairly consumer friendly for GTS thus far, so I hope there's nothing unfair introduced over time.

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I agree about your point on the manicheism surrounding MTX however lying to your consummers is undoubtedly "bad" and that's what the thread is about.

Some people are overreacting, there isn't a cause for alarm, at least not yet. Everything costs the same in the game and nothing changes if you don't want to pay. We can start worrying if the studio changes rewards / prices of the existing cars or messes with the gift cars.

TaKeRx said:

What a crazy world we live where Forza 7 gets rid of them and GT adds them in lol.

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Forza 7 never had them, they just had loot boxes which could only be paid for with in game currency (couldn't purchase anything with real world currency, which was a major misconception when Forza 7 launched).

So ppl on Era that have been shitting on Forza 7 for having microtransactions (which it never did) are gonna defend this somehow lol.

Didn't one of the Payday games add microtransactions after the devs promised they never would? Maybe I'm mis-remembering the whole thing, but I feel there was a massive backlash to this.

Whether or not microtransactions negatively affect GTS, it's still frustrating to see them walk this decision back. That doesn't mean the game is suddenly bad, of course. But it also doesn't mean people are being disingenuous or pushing some sort of narrative.

Funny an immediate comparison gets made to Forza when GT gives out free new content and the other relies on Season Passes.

Regardless of contradiction, when faced with free content and optional microtransactions for non exclusive content; or season passes with blind content down the pipeline but no microtransactions you would think the choice would be obvious, yet here we are.

This particular version if GT gets shit talked often, and its sales figures have been pointed out to be lower for all to see. With the reduction in revenue from sales alone, this is the softest and least intrusive way to add more revenue and to the general non microtransaction customer it should be the best option considering tou continue to get free shit for your "full price" game purchase year over year

ckareset said:

It's hilarious the mental hoops people will jump through to defend this. I hope insomniac doesnt pull this with Spiderman

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I don't think Insomniac have ever dipped their toes in the MTX water have they? I think Spiderman is gonna be okay.

MrPink said:

Sure, and I made it clear in both posts that it was not a major impact to me. I'm not speaking for others.

Which isn't to say, I don't care at all, but my perspective is that right now this is a small thing and if it becomes a bigger thing to its system, then bigger criticism should follow. I don't quite understand the blank/white militancy over MTX (yes it exists, but there are scales to that), and perhaps that's because there's a level of cynicism I don't have in terms of how it devolves over time, but so far, PD's support has been fairly consumer friendly for GTS thus far, so I hope there's nothing unfair introduced over time.

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Again. If PD don't promise that they will not add MTX at all for the title, i don't think anyone would react like this. Sure there will be some backlash but not like this as this mean, they lick their own spit.

So, if this backlash is heard by PD and other game devs. We can only hope that not many other company will do things like this. Don't promise things u cant fulfill.

ckareset said:

It's hilarious the mental hoops people will jump through to defend this. I hope insomniac doesnt pull this with Spiderman

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Pull what exactly? They're already upfront with post launch DLC that will cost you money (because they would have said it was free otherwise)

Fine by me. As long as we keep getting free updates and content.

Seahawk64 said:

So ppl on Era that have been shitting on Forza 7 for having microtransactions (which it never did) are gonna defend this somehow lol.

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Having seen chubigan's post history, that first post is even more hilarious for this reason.

Salty Rice said:

Well it has 0 effect on the game and is just a additional option.

There is a difference between adding a option later on that has no effect and designing the game economy with mtx in mind from the start.

Also we get free updates for this game. You dont want more FREE updates?

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WTF? Are you seriously justifying this due to free updates? So you are saying that if I want to have FREE updates this is acceptable? That is some serious odd way to rationalize this.

BernardoOne said:

No fucking shit lmao


Did any of you really believe that they would make a online focused GAAS game without monetising it? That's hilarious.

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They probably simply shouldn't have stated otherwise then.

It's okay to offer optional mtx if you keep supporting your game, but it's somewhat shady if you gave marketing answers before, denying exactly that.

ghostcrew said:

The OP isn't about how the microtransactions are terrible or how they're implemented or comparing them to other mtx models. It's literally that they said there wouldn't be any and now, 9 months later, there are.

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Yeah, I understand that - but if players wanted them what should the developers do? "Sorry, but we said we wouldn't have them, so even if its only 100% helpful to saving players time we're not going to do it"

Eolz said:

I mean, other games also do free updates without microtransaction...

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Thats not how this usually works. Especially with this kind of content and budget.

Phantom Thief said:

For me the issue is simple- be honest about it. Like, if these microtransactions had been in the game at launch, and they hadn't made a very public proclamation about not having them, I wouldn't have cared. They publicly promised their game wouldn't have these- as a reminder, they did this when Forza 7 was mired in its own mtx controversy, so they got some nice free brownie points too.
TL;DR: the next time they say "no microtransactions!" or whatever about this game, why will I believe them?

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Of course you could be right and they did want the free brownie points but its just as likely that it was fully their intention not to ever have mtx but soft sales and price drops have changed their minds months later. I would certainly be complaining if the MTX's had more of an affect on gameplay or if they were there at launch but I can also see why some people are irked that they are there at all.

Pickle said:

Funny an immediate comparison gets made to Forza when GT gives out free new content and the other relies on Season Passes.

Regardless of contradiction, when faced with free content and optional microtransactions for non exclusive content; or season passes with blind content down the pipeline but no microtransactions you would think the choice would be obvious, yet here we are.

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Are we simply ignoring the vast difference in content at launch? And isn't GTS updates a mystery too? There's no roadmap.

Salty Rice said:

So everybody complaining here does not want more Free updates?

Oh you want? Thought so.

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Add another excuse to the pile

It's not about the game having microtransactions or not, it's about them saying there wouldn't be and then going ahead and doing the opposite.

How hard is it to have transparent PR? Even if that was the plan all along and you knew you were going to need microtransactions to finance the free updates, which is a huge ass assumption out of nowhere solely made by you, why fucking deny the fact that it is indeed part of the plan?

In before "plans change"

Hawk269 said:

WTF? Are you seriously justifying this due to free updates? So you are saying that if I want to have FREE updates this is acceptable? That is some serious odd way to rationalize this.

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People here are insane over free updates, they'll accept any level of crap to keep getting them free updates

I mean, they're not free updates, they're funded by suckers who get hooked on MXT and lootboxes

But yeah do whatever shitty and anti consumer thing you like, lie to us, whatever, as long as I get muh free updates

You can't even buy expensive cars with this. So it's mainly for new players trying to catch up I guess. Anyone that bought the game expecting no microtransactions and has been playing since then probably isn't going to find any reason to buy mtx. Sure, they're technically adding mtx after they said they wouldn't, but it isn't affecting the overall game at all. This is a complete non issue.

oni-link said:

When Ubisoft lie about a trailer or From lie about their games lighting system or No Man's Sky lie about everything, we're mad, but when these guys lie about something it's all fine and everyone is being silly

Hmm

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You're really going to attempt to draw a comparison between entire features missing, or a massive graphics downgrade, and micro transactions being added which have no impact on the game other than to allow silly people to throw extra money at them?

Lelouch0612 said:

I agree about your point on the manicheism surrounding MTX however lying to your consummers is undoubtedly "bad" and that's what the thread is about.

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That's fair. I don't see it as a good thing.

casiopao said:

Again. If PD don't promise that they will not add MTX at all for the title, i don't think anyone would react like this. Sure there will be some backlash but not like this as this mean, they lick their own spit.

So, if this backlash is heard by PD and other game devs. We can only hope that not many other company will do things like this. Don't promise things u cant fulfill.

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Well yeah, it was an avoidable situation and I don't disagree there.

I've seen some people complaining they have to play the game to buy cars. Well now you don't have to. Based PD.

As long as it doesn't affect the game as it was before this outrage is pretty hilarious.

Hawk269 said:

WTF? Are you seriously justifying this due to free updates? So you are saying that if I want to have FREE updates this is acceptable? That is some serious odd way to rationalize this.

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People do this all the time with free maps etc for shooters for example. But here its crazy to do this.

Im really against MTX but if it has 0 effect on the game why should i care? Because "they" lied? I dont need to be outraged about everything.

Salty Rice said:

So everybody complaining here does not want more Free updates?

Oh you want? Thought so.

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That's just how GaaS work, isn't it? Offer free updates to keep players engaged over time.

It's not exclusive to GT Sport, many other paid games give them too. Even F2P games offer free updates since forever.

The problem with GT Sport is, giving free updates without monetization was simply not sustainable. So yes, this is an obvious move they had to do.

Salty Rice said:

Thats not how this usually works. Especially with this kind of content and budget.

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Forza 7 also has free updates with cars and modes with no microtransaction.
Games in other genres (XC2 and Splatoon 2 as recent examples, amongst other) do too.

New Fang said:

You're really going to attempt to draw a comparison between entire features missing, or a massive graphics downgrade, and micro transactions being added which have no impact on the game other than to allow silly people to throw extra money at them?

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A lie is a lie

The scale of them differs but I mean, look at this E3, 'no lootboxes' was actually advertised as a feature for some games, to cheers and applause

This is a very fair microtransaction : no economy paddling, no bullshit alternative money...

You can just pick THE car you really want and buy that for real money.

GT has a far older audience that average games, make sens to let people with income but less time to play to pick and pay their favorite or dream car.

It seems very fair and honest, compared to a A LOT of post launch MT implementations.

oni-link said:

But yeah do whatever shitty and anti consumer thing you like, lie to us, whatever, as long as I get muh free updates

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I would hardly file MTX for cheats to get content you can otherwise get by simply playing the games, as anti consumer. A car collecting game has always had expensive vehicles that take hours to be able to purchase, and its not like PD has increased their prices to force you into paying for them.

This change has literally no effect on the people that actually like and play the game on a regular basis. It is a contradiction nonetheless, but the kneejerk reaction seems unwarranted

Eolz said:

Forza 7 also has free updates with cars and modes with no microtransaction.

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Uhm the first thing that comes up googling Forza 7 is a 30 dollar car pack.

I feel like people defending this are being hypocritical. It's the principle behind the fact that they said there would never be any micro transactions, and then break that promise.

Not defendable.

Eolz said:

Forza 7 also has free updates with cars and modes with no microtransaction.
Games in other genres (XC2 and Splatoon 2 as recent examples, amongst other) do too.

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Doesn't both Forza and XC2 (love both games btw) have season passes instead though?

oni-link said:

A lie is a lie

The scale of them differs but I mean, look at this E3, 'no lootboxes' was actually advertised as a feature for some games, to cheers and applause

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Yes, the scale of them differs significantly, which is why the comparison is ridiculous. Loot boxes are also not the same as a straight up optional purchase of something.

Also, did Polyphony say Sport would never have micotransactions?

They lied and the double standards are fuckin hilarious.

AntiMacro said:

Having seen chubigan's post history, that first post is even more hilarious for this reason.

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...when have I ever mentioned anything regarding Forza 7 DLC? Maybe I did and I'm not remembering right but feel free to pull up that post in my history. I'm not an active Forza 7 player so I don't know the specifics of their DLC models.

The last time I ever mentioned Forza was for E3 regarding how amazing Horizon looks.

This sounds like a GamerGate Jr. discussion.

"It's about holding them accountable! They lied! We need integrity and accuracy!" Thank god Yamauchi isn't a woman.

I mean, what the hell is this thread even supposed to accomplish? Will Polyphony go to video game jail? The outrage is absolutely ridiculous. I mean genuinely sit back and look at it from the outside: People are literally mad because other people have the ability to buy something in a game, even if they personally don't want to. They're mad because "they said they wouldn't!"...but so what? Everything indicates that nothing else has changed, all content is still available for free (and presumably will continue to be free)...so why the outrage? Because they said "no" instead of "maybe"?

It just sounds so childish, it's genuinely hard to take any point of discussion here seriously when it's so irrational. They haven't locked off any past free content behind pay walls, they haven't introduced pay to win mechanics, and they haven't said that this is the end of free content. So literally all of the outrage is because "they lied" and gamers want "justice".

When you get angry when people say gamers are entitled children, you can look to behavior like this, when a small inconsequential development happens, and it balloons to hundreds of posts where gamers express their outrage at a "lie" over something that will literally never impact them.

UnluckyKate said:

This is a very fair microtransaction : no economy paddling, no bullshit alternative money...

You can just pick THE car you really want and buy that for real money.

GT has a far older audience that average games, make sens to let people with income but less time to play to pick and pay their favorite or dream car.

It seems very fair and honest, compared to a A LOT of post launch MT implementations.

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Indeed, I'd rather judge the implementation over the words of someone who (given the performance of the game) may not have even had influence on the decision since last year. Players do request options like these, that's the age we live in, and any business will cater to those willing to give them more money over those who are already quick to pull back over retroactive lies.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did they ever say that GT Sport would never feature MTX?

There's a huge difference between making a statement before launch about the game, in its current state, and making a promise to the community about the games future. It seems that PD were doing the former when talking about the game having no MTX.

New Fang said:

did Polyphony say Sport would never have micotransactions?

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Did you not read the OP?

Salty Rice said:

People do this all the time with free maps etc for shooters for example. But here its crazy to do this.

Im really against MTX but if it has 0 effect on the game why should i care? Because "they" lied? I dont need to be outraged about everything.

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Personally, even if a game has MTX, I never use them. But that guy I quoted is trying to justify the MTX for Free updates and that if people want Free updates that we should accept this.

Being 100% here, I think the reason that they started the Free updates was that the game they shipped did not have the content to justify the price of the game. Even after all the updates, I don't feel the price of admission versus the content (cars/tracks) is justified. Granted the game looks and plays great/fantastic no doubt, but I never seen a more bare bones game like this before and imho the reason for the free updates was that the team knew they shipped a game with little content.

People saying turn them off, this is just the top of the slippery slope downward

steviejd1 said:

Doesn't both Forza and XC2 (love both games btw) have season passes instead though?

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Sure. But both the devs of Forza and XC2 or Splat 2. Don't promise that it won't have paid content Season pass then suddenly backtrack which is what PD do here.

UnluckyKate said:

It seems very fair and honest, compared to a A LOT of post launch MT implementations.

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For the bold part.....lol.

Meanwhile Forza 7 just announced the removal of lootboxes. GT has really fallen as a franchise. Forza has overtaken it in pretty much every way by now.

ITT: It's okay when Sony does it