Despite saying that it wouldn't have any, GTSport introduces microtransactions in update [Read OP]

Deleted member 249 · Jul 30, 2018

It's fascinating to see so many people defending "optional" microtransactions in a full priced game that we were promised wouldn't have any, when other games get roasted for even considering microtransactions.
They are shit in other games, they are shit here. PD promised they wouldn't have them. They do. Plain and simple.

aspiring · Jul 30, 2018

Crusadernm said:
Yeah they pretty much lied or waited for reviews to come in before launching this. Pretty disgusting.

Do you even play the game? Its been near a year so they have not "waited" for reviews plus actually playing the game you see how easy it is to get credits. In my near year of playing i would never have needed to spend a cent. However if the option is there who cares? As long as it doesn't affect how the credits currently are there is no problem

oni-link · Jul 30, 2018

Pancracio17 said:
This type of MTX could affect future DLC though. Giving future DLC cars a higher price than what they would otherwise have is a common incentive to get players to spend.

Don't worry they'll come out on record and say they won't do that

Then they will anyway

Smokey · Jul 30, 2018

chubigans said:
The OP didn't even mention that the more expensive cars (like the 15-20 million cars) cannot be bought this way, only cars under 2 million.

edit: of course, if we're strictly talking about the devs saying one thing and then doing another, than yeah, that's exactly what they did.

The thread is entirely about your edited statement. You saying "just turn them off" completely missed the point , and is hilarious in its own right.

Deleted member 11421 · Jul 30, 2018

Bishop89 said:
changing your mind = lying?

More options the better so long as they aren't changing prices to increase grinds. Seems like some people want a public apology or something? It's not like we're one month post-release, this is far enough out where they probably weighed their options through internal discussion, hell maybe even got feedback requesting it...and pulled the trigger.

Kyoufu · Jul 30, 2018

Whether it's a lie or not, I don't know and can't say one way or the other with certainty, but it's possible that this could be a symptom of plans changing over time. During the pre-launch period they stated the game won't have MTXs, and it didn't, but after a year of free content updates, they may have felt that in order to achieve sustainability with their service update model they would need to implement optional MTXs. Who knows.

eseqko · Jul 30, 2018

Why wouldn't the Eurogamer article mention that the devs said "No microtransactions" in the past? Looks like a sloppy research job tbh.

MrPink · Jul 30, 2018

casiopao said:
Change of plan after promising that u won't do something is literally lieing lol. I don't promise u that i won't borrow your car anymore without permission only for me to borrow your car literally next year without your permission. It means i break my promise and lied to your face lol.

Whatever it is, lying/reneging on a statement, the impact is...

What in this case? They broke their promise but from an actual game perspective, nothing has really changed to me.

SolidSnakex · Jul 30, 2018

Murdock said:
Keep winning Sony. And of course people will defend this company.

I'll defend it because I actually play this game is has zero effect on it. I bought the Merc F1 and didn't pay a single cent of actual real world money. Just like I have with every other car i've bought in the game.

darkside · Jul 30, 2018

Clusterdreams said:
A company said one thing, explicitly, and did the complete opposite. I wonder if any other company did this if it would be defended like this.

This is completely irrelevant to folks who have regularly been playing the game, its seriously just for new players who don't mind spending cash. Like literally nothing has changed.

bbq of doom · Jul 30, 2018

Phantom Thief said:
It's fascinating to see so many people defending "optional" microtransactions in a full priced game that we were promised wouldn't have any, when other games get roasted for even considering microtransactions.
They are shit in other games, they are shit here. PD promised they wouldn't have them. They do. Plain and simple.

It's quite a curious dichotomy, innit?

I dropped GTS a few weeks after launch and have been meaning to get back; while this has no effect on my own personal enjoyment, I am certainly disappointed that the devs went back on their word.

Deleted member 887 · Jul 30, 2018

If people want to pay for shit. Let them.

chubigans · Jul 30, 2018

Smokey said:
The thread is entirely about your edited statement. You saying "just turn them off" completely missed the point , and is hilarious in its own right.

Indeed it is!

Omnicore · Jul 30, 2018

Sure seems like most people losing their minds in here don't even play GT Sport.

Ryo · Jul 30, 2018

The game sold badly compared to other GTs and yet they have been supporting the game with loads of free content, monetization in some form was inevitable because what they were doing wouldn't have been sustainable.

This is probably the best way they could have implemented microtransactions, the alternatives would probably be locking new content behind lootboxes or making content only possible to buy with real money.

I bought the game last week after seeing what had been added to the game for free and I knew it was only a matter of time.

PopcornMegaphone · Jul 30, 2018

darkside said:
This is completely irrelevant to folks who have regularly been playing the game, its seriously just for new players who don't mind spending cash. Like literally nothing has changed.

Something has changed. Reread the OP.

mutantmagnet · Jul 30, 2018

cakely said:
No, the OP didn't mention that at all. He opined that the "ensuing low sales" of GTS were the the reason MTX were introduced. It's the premise of this thread.

The premise is that the lied. I don't care what their justification is or what the op thinks the reasoning is. All that matters is now Sony and more specifically polyphony can't be trusted even when disclosing what should be basic facts.

The act of lying matters more to most people.

casiopao · Jul 30, 2018

Phantom Thief said:
It's fascinating to see so many people defending "optional" microtransactions in a full priced game that we were promised wouldn't have any, when other games get roasted for even considering microtransactions.
They are shit in other games, they are shit here. PD promised they wouldn't have them. They do. Plain and simple.

Hey. Don't you know. If you can hide them. It will not exist anymore. EA should learn one or two things here from PD lol. What a breakthrough.^^

MrPink said:
Whatever it is, lying/reneging on a statement, the impact is...

What in this case? They broke their promise but from an actual game perspective, nothing has really changed to me.

Whatever your feeling is, it does not change the fact that they backtrack/lie in the front of game media and its fans. You may not care. But some care.

Haze · Jul 30, 2018

darkside said:
This is completely irrelevant to folks who have regularly been playing the game, its seriously just for new players who don't mind spending cash. Like literally nothing has changed.

The entire "No MTX " policy has changed. A complete 180. What are you talking about?

Seganomics · Jul 30, 2018

darkside said:
Like literally nothing has changed.

Except that microtransactions have been added to the game. Which is literally something.

Egida · Jul 30, 2018

I mean, among its many issues, the forced online for offline progression puts the game automatically in my no go list, this is just icing the cake.

And lmao at people surprised at PD lying.

woolyninja · Jul 30, 2018

I'm assuming they did this based on player feedback due to how its implemented. All it does is save players time, it doesn't affect the gameplay, in-game prices, etc. And the way online is setup it won't affect that either. So I'm not sure there's a negative side to this story?

Eolz · Jul 30, 2018

ethomaz said:
How I can be wrong making a question where is the interview or actual quote for the question/reply?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/de...ctions-in-its-new-update.58741/#post-10927056

Fair enough. You just insisted weirdly a lot on that when the quote from that video interview was in the OP.
So I guess you agree that they said that then.

PopcornMegaphone · Jul 30, 2018

Seganomics said:
Except that microtransactions have been added to the game. Which is literally something.

Facts do not matter. Have you played the game?

OP is biased fake news.

Deleted member 274 · Jul 30, 2018

Bishop89 said:
changing your mind = lying?

So would you say that, for example, politicians don't lie, they just change their minds a lot?

BernardoOne · Jul 30, 2018

No fucking shit lmao

Did any of you really believe that they would make a online focused GAAS game without monetising it? That's hilarious.

Salty Rice · Jul 30, 2018

Phantom Thief said:
It's fascinating to see so many people defending "optional" microtransactions in a full priced game that we were promised wouldn't have any, when other games get roasted for even considering microtransactions.
They are shit in other games, they are shit here. PD promised they wouldn't have them. They do. Plain and simple.

Well it has 0 effect on the game and is just a additional option.

There is a difference between adding a option later on that has no effect and designing the game economy with mtx in mind from the start.

Also we get free updates for this game. You dont want more FREE updates?

Pancracio17 · Jul 30, 2018

oni-link said:
Don't worry they'll come out on record and say they won't do that

Then they will anyway

Its happens every time.

Kimchi_Breath · Jul 30, 2018

So they now sell cars for real money for people who are too impatient to save in-game currency? It could be worse.

PMS341 · Jul 30, 2018

PopcornMegaphone said:
Facts do not matter. Have you played the game?

OP is biased fake news.

Yikes @ this lol

ghostcrew · Jul 30, 2018

woolyninja said:
I'm assuming they did this based on player feedback due to how its implemented. All it does is save players time, it doesn't affect the gameplay, in-game prices, etc. And the way online is setup it won't affect that either. So I'm not sure there's a negative side to this story?

The OP isn't about how the microtransactions are terrible or how they're implemented or comparing them to other mtx models. It's literally that they said there wouldn't be any and now, 9 months later, there are.

mutantmagnet · Jul 30, 2018

Boke18 said:
If people want to pay for shit. Let them.

I agree to some level but these businesses models always lead to a different gameplay experience and usually that experience is worse than a business model without them.

Deleted member 32018 · Jul 30, 2018

Phantom Thief said:
It's fascinating to see so many people defending "optional" microtransactions in a full priced game that we were promised wouldn't have any, when other games get roasted for even considering microtransactions.
They are shit in other games, they are shit here. PD promised they wouldn't have them. They do. Plain and simple

While it's obviously not a great look, the game has been out for not far off a year now and is only adding MTX's now. Most people should have got their money's worth out of the game already if they bought it full price at launch. You can find the game for at least half that price these days and the MTX's are nothing like what was in games such as Shadow of War or Battlefront 2 so I don't think it's that much of an issue.

Crayon · Jul 30, 2018

I never heard about him saying there would be no mtx. I do know a major complaint with the game was the lack of clarity around the roadmap for dlc and monetization. Ie; We don't what they are working on, when it's coming out, or if they planned on charging for it any time.

rochellepaws · Jul 30, 2018

I think this is very disappointing to see from a reputable studio and unfortunately there seems to be a lot of games now which boast "no microtransactions" but design their game specifically around adding them later, Onrush is another recent example of a game which quite obviously seemed designed with that in mind.

KdotIX · Jul 30, 2018

Monorojo said:
I'd rather they add this and let the dev team keep their job then to not add it and lead to unemployment for the workers

This right here is the most important aspect of this move by PD - especially if their sales weren't as good compared to previous games. The team at PD are insanely talented, just look at the detail they put into this game and look at how they kept this game going and the player base engaged with big updates such as the recent one. If introducing these microtransactions means they get to continue this trend, so be be it. Also, circumstances change with the times - is it really a big deal if Kaz said one thing and pretty much a year later he signed off on going against the words he said? What some people and Eurogamer need to realise is that his team provided big updates AT NO COST.

Also it doesn't affect gameplay one bit or game design one bit. Those who actually play the game will know that in Sport mode you have to adhere to certain restrictions before you can enter races, so sure, spend real currency on an insanely fast car, but you might not always get to use it and it won't affect other players' experience of the game.

somedaythefire · Jul 30, 2018

lol this really isn't a big deal. fun for the meltdowns though.

cakely · Jul 30, 2018

For the record:

I'd prefer that MTX were never introduced into GTS.

Polyphony should never have claimed that GTS would have no MTX.

Here's a pretty good indication of the nuanced discussion we're going to be having in the rest of this thread.

The_Land said:
"For the Players"! What a fucking joke

Bishop89 · Jul 30, 2018

OrbitalBeard said:
I'm going to use this tactic from now on in my life! I don't lie, I just change my mind a lot.

ckareset said:
The Arkham Knight wasnt originally Jason Todd, we just changed our minds

Crusadernm said:
Hahaha..

Lelouch0612 said:
Thank you for making my day haha

Pikma said:
So would you say that, for example, politicians don't lie, they just change their minds a lot?

lol

i should have put /s instead of ?

TheBryanJZX90 · Jul 30, 2018

Seganomics said:
But if you turn them off in the menu, then PD literally did not lie.

"If you close your eyes and cover your ears and say NANANANANA really loud when you beat Sonic 06 then Sonic has never kissed a human girl so please stop saying that he has"

Judge · Jul 30, 2018

As long as updates and additional cars continue to be free, then I think that is what they meant. Don't really fully know that, but just a hunch haha

chubigans said:
Ah ok, I can see why people would be mad. At the same time this does little to no impact on the in-game economy and the way they've handled it- only DLC for cars under 2 million- doesn't change the way the more grindy cars would need to be earned.

It's a shame this is going to bury the months of free tracks and cars the game has pumped out. It has the best support of any racing game out there, period.

Plus it's like the nicest DLC that Polyphony has ever released. People are so quick to forget the one time use paint microtransactions in GT5 XD

No it doesn't

Edit: and by that I mean the "period" part of it, like it's somehow not even a question and anyone else who says otherwise is wrong.

casiopao · Jul 30, 2018

BernardoOne said:
No fucking shit lmao

Did any of you really believe that they would make a online focused GAAS game without monetising it? That's hilarious.

People probably.....probablyyy believe that devs would not lie to their face about the future on that product lol.

I mean. Like what other have been saying changing mind is okay..... are you guys damn okay when your partner suddenly said they changed their mind and going for another partner even after u guys promise each other that u will love each other forever lol?^_^

oni-link · Jul 30, 2018

BernardoOne said:
No fucking shit lmao

Did any of you really believe that they would make a online focused GAAS game without monetising it? That's hilarious.

I mean, I would have assumed they would, but then they came out and explicitly said they wouldnt

So yeah I expected them not to

Ryo · Jul 30, 2018

mutantmagnet said:
I agree to some level but these businesses models always lead to a different gameplay experience and usually that experience is worse than a business model without them.

Not sure how this will lead to a worse gameplay experience unless they suddenly jack up the prices of all the cars in the future.

ckareset · Jul 30, 2018

It's hilarious the mental hoops people will jump through to defend this. I hope insomniac doesnt pull this with Spiderman

MrPink · Jul 30, 2018

casiopao said:
Hey. Don't you know. If you can hide them. It will not exist anymore. EA should learn one or two things here from PD lol. What a breakthrough.^^

Whatever your feeling is, it does not change the fact that they backtrack/lie in the front of game media and its fans. You may not care. But some care.

Sure, and I made it clear in both posts that it was not a major impact to me. I'm not speaking for others.

Which isn't to say, I don't care at all, but my perspective is that right now this is a small thing and if it becomes a bigger thing to its system, then bigger criticism should follow. I don't quite understand the blank/white militancy over MTX (yes it exists, but there are scales to that), and perhaps that's because there's a level of cynicism I don't have in terms of how it devolves over time, but so far, PD's support has been fairly consumer friendly for GTS thus far, so I hope there's nothing unfair introduced over time.

Salty Rice · Jul 30, 2018

So everybody complaining here does not want more Free updates?

Oh you want? Thought so.

Godzilla24 · Jul 30, 2018

mutantmagnet said:
The premise is that the lied. I don't care what their justification is or what the op thinks the reasoning is. All that matters is now Sony and more specifically polyphony can't be trusted even when disclosing what should be basic facts.

The act of lying matters more to most people.

Yep, the deception is the main issue for me. They should have been more honest.

SpartyCrunch · Jul 30, 2018

TaKeRx said:
What a crazy world we live where Forza 7 gets rid of them and GT adds them in lol.

Forza 7 never actually had any micro transactions. Just loot boxes for in game currency. It was probably in the plans but never implemented.

Deleted member 249 · Jul 30, 2018

Salty Rice said:
Well it has 0 effect on the game and is just a additional option.

There is a difference between adding a option later on that has no effect and designing the game economy with mtx in mind from the start.

Also we get free updates for this game. You dont want more FREE updates?

Polyphony is a first party studio, surely it can afford to give away FREE updates for a flagship first party GaaS game without having to resorting to going back on a very public promise of not adding microtransactions.

Of course, if you're okay with corporations lying to your face, have at it.

steviejd1 said:
While it's obviously not a great look, the game has been out for not far off a year now and is only adding MTX's now. Most people should have got their money's worth out of the game already if they bought it full price at launch. You can find the game for at least half that price these days and the MTX's are nothing like what was in games such as Shadow of War or Battlefront 2 so I don't think it's that much of an issue.

For me the issue is simple- be honest about it. Like, if these microtransactions had been in the game at launch, and they hadn't made a very public proclamation about not having them, I wouldn't have cared. They publicly promised their game wouldn't have these- as a reminder, they did this when Forza 7 was mired in its own mtx controversy, so they got some nice free brownie points too.
TL;DR: the next time they say "no microtransactions!" or whatever about this game, why will I believe them?

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