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What you're trying to frame it as is "Microtransactions" while burying the important part behind a string of screenshots to frame your narrative.

These microtransactions are just to buy games in the game with real money, however, they are all still available with in-game currency (so no additional cost) and none of their values have changed. There is no F2P grind here. This is literally just early unlock for people who want that Mazda 787B now instead of winning some races to get it.

It doesn't break the game economy.

It doesn't break online play (no advantages).

It literally doesn't change anything about the game in a meaningful way, other than affording people with spare change to buy cars outright. You're trying to frame this as something completely different than that.

Is there anything in the thread implying that it does any of the thing you listed ? I don't think I even used any of those word, or implied so. The thread could be entirely resumed to its title: GT sports devs said there wouldn't be microtransactions, and now there are. Nowhere it's even implied that it is going to make the game worse or better.
 

Karu

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These microtransactions are just to buy games in the game with real money, however, they are all still available with in-game currency (so no additional cost) and none of their values have changed. There is no F2P grind here. This is literally just early unlock for people who want that Mazda 787B now instead of winning some races to get it.

It doesn't break the game economy.

It doesn't break online play (no advantages).

It literally doesn't change anything about the game in a meaningful way, other than affording people with spare change to buy cars outright. You're trying to frame this as something completely different than that.
Quote me the bits in the OP where he/she refers to any of that.

They added microtransactions. Whether you can toggle them has no meaning to their previously made statements.
 

Wowfunhappy

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You can turn them off in the options menu.

There was no change to the in game economy. Tracks, cars and everything else continues to be free with monthly updates.

Nice try trying to set a narrative though.

"Selling a narrative"? They added microtransactions when they said they wouldn't.

I get that situations change, but if you're a person who will not buy games with microtransactions (or at least considers the presence of microtransactions a strong count against their purchasing decision), it's pretty freaking sucky when microtransactions just appear in an update.
 

Pancracio17

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It looks bad on Polyphony to go back on their word. On the other hand, this seems like a rather harmless implementation. Meh.
This type of MTX could affect future DLC though. Giving future DLC cars a higher price than what they would otherwise have is a common incentive to get players to spend.
 

ghostcrew

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The updates are literally all still free. Why the aversion to reading more than just the title?

Yes, the cars and tracks are all still free. They've also included microtransactions which is what OP is talking about. Nothing in OP's post is there anything about the free stuff. It's literally solely about them adding in microtransactions which they originally said they wouldn't. I read it all thank you.
 

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Is there anything in the thread implying that it does any of the thing you listed ? I don't think I even used any of those word, or implied so. The thread could be entirely resumed to its title: GT sports devs said there wouldn't be microtransactions, and now there are. Nowhere it's even implied that it is going to make the game worse or better.

Your omissions to the information I listed are intentional. "Microtransactions" is pretty vague, and without the clarification, it sets a very clear image to most who will (and have) come in here with knee jerk reactions.
 

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They seem to be really well implemented, no randomization, fairly priced and you can't buy the highest end cars. The support for the game has been quite strong. I wouldn't have minded this at launch, and I don't mind it now, which seems to be the general consensus from people playing the game.
 
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Just will say 1 little thing.

That part makes you look bad, OP.

Is it wrong, though ? There's another thread discussing those low sales in more detail. I just offered a line of thoughts to explain this contradiction in Polyphony Digital's communication.

Your omissions to the information I listed are intentional. "Microtransactions" is pretty vague, and without the clarification, it sets a very clear image to most who will (and have) come in here with knee jerk reactions.

They aren't particularly intentional, but more that they have no purpose in this thread, which isn't about defining if it's a good or bad idea to have MT in GTSports, but only to point out the contradiction.
 
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About the "low sales" narrative which seems to be the not so hidden point of the thread, everyone is free to name another racing simulation game (and not an arcade open world game) that can attract more people than Gran Turismo Sport these days (as a reference it was 5 million players, from the last official update). Just because sales of GT were stupidly high during the previous generations does not mean they are bad today. The landscape evolves for a lot of genres across the generations.
 

Loudninja

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About the "low sales" narrative which seems to be the not so hidden point of the thread, everyone is free to name another racing simulation game (and not an arcade open world game) that can attract more people than Gran Turismo Sport these days (as a reference it was 5 million players, from the last official update). Just because sales of GT were stupidly high during the previous generations does not mean they are bad today. The landscape evolves for a lot of genres across the generation.
It was 5.5 million actual players btw.
 

darkside

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Is there anything in the thread implying that it does any of the thing you listed ? I don't think I even used any of those word, or implied so. The thread could be entirely resumed to its title: GT sports devs said there wouldn't be microtransactions, and now there are. Nowhere it's even implied that it is going to make the game worse or better.

Lol dude you fucking get in a line about the game having low sales and a poor launch and are looking to grind an axe with a year old game. Throwing your hands up like you don't have an agenda is bizarre.

If the game is been out a year I don't think its unreasonable to give players the -option- to either spend credits or money on stuff that already exists in the game.
 

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Yes, the cars and tracks are all still free. They've also included microtransactions which is what OP is talking about. Nothing in OP's post is there anything about the free stuff. It's literally solely about them adding in microtransactions which they originally said they wouldn't. I read it all thank you.

So you just want to participate in the narrative that big bad developer has wronged poor, fragile gaming community by...adding free content but allowing people to buy things that are still absolutely 100% free?

I absolutely assume when they said "no microtransactions" they meant "You won't have to pay to get content post release"...and that is still absolutely true. You don't have to pay a dime to get new tracks, new cars, and new features.
 

DrDeckard

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Forza is still charging for "car packs".

Would be good to know how frequent these car packs come out, and how many cars are included for what price in Forza?

How many cars has GT sport added since it launched, and how long does it take to earn the money to buy the cars?

Don't want to derail

Really bad that they said there wouldn't be any Microtransactions and then they add them. It's the kind of thing that plenty of other companies have been dragged over the coals for. I guess that's coming for GT Sport now.
 

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Is it wrong, though ? There's another thread discussing those low sales in more detail. I just offered a line of thoughts to explain this contradiction in Polyphony Digital's communication.



They aren't particularly intentional, but more that they have no purpose in this thread, which isn't about defining if it's a good or bad idea, but only to point out the contradiction.
That thread also corrects the OP that he didn't account for digital sales. PD has said its just north of 5million.
 
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Did they? What is the question for the "No" response? Please share with us what they said.

Read the OP, it's pretty clear, if you can't or better, if you don't want to see it it's not my problem.

And i'll end this discussion with you here, i already know what type of user are you and the recent ban for console warring is enough for me to avoid a discussion with you, especially when the main topic is GT Sport.
 

Wraith

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So, related question, what's the line between "paid DLC" and "microtransactions"?

Buying car/track packs = DLC

Buying in-game currency or loot boxes = microtransactions?

I haven't really been paying attention to the Gran Turismo franchise lately, but I know Forza's always had purchasable car packs and such. Pay $3-$5, get some new cars added to the game (which you still need to buy in-game to drive).
 

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So you just want to participate in the narrative that big bad developer has wronged poor, fragile gaming community by...adding free content but allowing people to buy things that are still absolutely 100% free?

I absolutely assume when they said "no microtransactions" they meant "You won't have to pay to get content post release"...and that is still absolutely true. You don't have to pay a dime to get new tracks, new cars, and new features.

The game now has microtransactions. The Devs said the game would not include them. Lay off with the smoke and mirrors.
 

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Ironic, Forza 7 got tore to pieces in various places for its microtransactions when at no point they involved real money, and the entire (non-paid) lootbox system was even removed eventually. This change doesn't change the economy of GT Sport, but it just serves as a nice reminder that no one is immune from these kind of MTs, not even your favourite games.
 

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It is not... that is why I'm questioning lol

Read the OP, it's pretty clear, if you can't or better, if you don't want to see it it's not my problem.

And i'll end this discussion with you here, i already know what type of user are you and the recent ban for console warring is enough for me to avoid a discussion with you, especially when the main topic is GT Sport.
There is no info in the OP or the articles in the OP about that.
 

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They aren't particularly intentional, but more that they have no purpose in this thread, which isn't about defining if it's a good or bad idea to have MT in GTSports, but only to point out the contradiction.

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Give me a break. You're being incredibly transparent. I've detailed my thoughts multiple times, and it's clear you're not willing to concede that this is a reaction thread aimed to focus your ill will with a misleading OP.

I'm out.
 
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That thread also corrects the OP that he didn't account for digital sales. PD has said its just north of 5million.

It's just a line of thought tho, that's why it's not under quote marks and doesn't come from an article. If that can ease you, I can put some sort of trigger warning before to say that it's just an opinion as to why the game now has MT.
 

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Ah ok, I can see why people would be mad. At the same time this does little to no impact on the in-game economy and the way they've handled it- only DLC for cars under 2 million- doesn't change the way the more grindy cars would need to be earned.

It's a shame this is going to bury the months of free tracks and cars the game has pumped out. It has the best support of any racing game out there, period.

Plus it's like the nicest DLC that Polyphony has ever released. People are so quick to forget the one time use paint microtransactions in GT5 XD
 

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no pinky swears were observed at the PSX event when Yamauchi gave his response

so it's fair game. sorry fam
 

Khrol

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Pretty weird to do this. I can only assume they changed their minds because the game under performed and they want to pull in extra money from the existing player base.
 

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I absolutely assume when they said "no microtransactions" they meant "You won't have to pay to get content post release"...and that is still absolutely true. You don't have to pay a dime to get new tracks, new cars, and new features.

That's cool, you can assume what you want. The article asked for clarification 'on microtransactions' and was told 'no'. That video interview that's just been posted is even more clear. He literally just says 'no' when asked about microtransactions in a Q&A. It's an incredibly simple point that OP is making. Again, not saying that their should be outrage or that the game is suddenly the worst (I own and like GTS for what it's worth - not that that should matter) - it's just an interesting development.

So you just want to participate in the narrative that big bad developer has wronged poor, fragile gaming community by...adding free content but allowing people to buy things that are still absolutely 100% free?

No, that's something you're implying. Bit weird.
 

darkside

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Pretty weird to do this. I can only assume they changed their minds because the game under performed and they want to pull in extra money from the existing player base.

Like if this was the case then they're doing a pretty shitty job considering its not being used to make the existing player base spend money on stuff they're spend money on.
 

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Opinion/line of thoughts: It seems that after the poor launch of the game and ensuing low sales, Polyphony Digital changed its course and decided to introduce microtransactions in GT Sports, despite claiming almost a year ago now that it definitely wouldn't.

Just in case anyone wasn't sure of the motivations behind this post.
 

WillySJ3

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OP, have you ever played GTS??? I'm just curious, by your post history. It's like you just created the thread looking for controversy.
 

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But if you turn them off in the menu, then PD literally did not lie.
Lol
The OP didn't even mention that the more expensive cars (like the 15-20 million cars) cannot be bought this way, only cars under 2 million.

Not that the OP wasn't hilariously transparent enough with his trolling. What an awful thread.
There's nothing framed a specific way.
Players can buy cars with real money despite what the Devs said before. Doesn't matter if some cars can't be bought.
Did they? What is the question for the "No" response? Please share with us what they said.
Everything is in the OP lol.
 

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I haven't really been paying attention to the Gran Turismo franchise lately, but I know Forza's always had purchasable car packs and such. Pay $3-$5, get some new cars added to the game (which you still need to buy in-game to drive).

Nah, DLC cars in Forza are unlocked for free. You don't need to spend in-game credits on them.