Whats going on with Dark Souls Remastered on Switch?

Imran · Jul 29, 2018

Conor is the guy who did the "2D games are inherently inferior" nonsense and is super angry/crying about people misleading him by liking Tropical Freeze. You're being trolled by someone with no talent for trolling because his actual opinions are too insane to believe.

Menx64 · Jul 29, 2018

The only explanation that makes sense to me, is that the team making the game was so small and budget constrainted, that they were not progressing as expected on the later stages of development, that NB had to step in , and the game is now still work on progress.
The paid network is not a valid reason tbh. It just doesn't make sense to me. Holding Mario tennis aces was a best bet than dark souls tbh.

Conor419 · Jul 29, 2018

Plum said:
You must be trolling, right? Why would Bamco give a singular damn about games that were released 19 or more years ago, developed by an entirely different developer and, mot importantly, not the game releasing on May 25th? As for Donkey Kong Country being "far darker than Dark Souls", that has to be some "Mario has the deepest lore" thing, right? You can't be serious with that, surely?

As for your second paragraph, if your argument relies on a company both willingly getting themselves into a (what they deem to be) a bad situation and then willingly gambling their game's success away because of that then your argument holds little sense. Also if they wanted to minimise fallout why would they delay the game weeks before release (after announcing an Amiibo and bringing playable demos to game conventions a mere month before) with absolutely no reasoning and then go into total radio silence on the situation for months afterward? What???

The series was born as a commentary on animal abuse, and in which the sequel saw Nintendo's mascot actually die at the ending: the rivalry between Mario and DK is far darker than anything covered in "Dark" Souls*. Whether the series has shifted in tone is irrelevant: the gameplay very much maintains the brutal challenge of the Rare era.

As for timing. NB most likely didn't know that DK was coming: Nintendo almost certainly do not disclose to other third parties their software plans for the sake of avoiding leaks.

An aside: *People actually theorise that Miyamoto's final game will see him returning back to where he started: a fully 3D Mario vs Donkey Kong platformer.

"Imran" said:
Conor is the guy who did the "2D games are inherently inferior" nonsense and is super angry/crying about people misleading him by liking Tropical Freeze. You're being trolled by someone with no talent for trolling because his actual opinions are too insane to believe.

I loved Tropical Freeze (I'm literally using its quality as a basis of my argument...) but it wasn't the greatest 2D platformer of all time like you lot were claiming (apparently that's "too insane to believe"????)

henlo_birb · Jul 29, 2018

Conor419 said:
The Rareware era DK games were far darker and much more mature than "Dark" Souls; whether in its tone, art style or themes — I recommend reading a Wikipedia page on the Kong Wars.

This got me good.

fiendcode · Jul 29, 2018

Menx64 said:
The only explanation that makes sense to me, is that the team making the game was so small and budget constrainted, that they were not progressing as expected on the later stages of development, that NB had to step in , and the game is now still work on progress.
The paid network is not a valid reason tbh. It just doesn't make sense to me. Holding Mario tennis aces was a best bet than dark souls tbh.

Virtuos isn't a small developer. They do AAA contracting on like everything and have over 1500 dev staff spread over 6 studios and two continents. Manpower shouldn't be an issue and I doubt budget is either given Nintendo, Bandai Namco and From Software are all involved in the port.

They're significantly larger than the PS4/XB1/Steam dev actually. QLOC is only over 200 staff.

Plum · Jul 29, 2018

Conor419 said:
The series was born as a commentary on animal abuse, and in which the sequel saw Nintendo's mascot actually die at the ending: the rivalry between Mario and DK is far darker than anything covered in "Dark" Souls*. Whether the series has shifted in tone is irrelevant: the gameplay very much maintains the brutal challenges of the Rare era.

The series was born because Nintendo needed a basic setup for their new arcade game and chose King Kong as an inspiration. The sequel had Mario as the antagonist because Nintendo wanted you to play as an ape and likely thought having Mario as the antagonist would be a good way to facilitate that. Mario doesn't even die at the end of that game, he's literally shown running off screen.

Also you were just using the Rareware Donkey Kong games as your evidence yet now it's the Nintendo arcade games as well? OK.

Conor419 said:
As for timing. NB most likely didn't know that DK was coming: Nintendo almost certainly do not disclose to other third parties their software plans for the sake of avoiding leaks.

You don't think a publisher as big as Bamco would know the chronology of the Direct their game debuts in? Even if that were the case, that still doesn't explain why'd they do the delay in the manner they did.

Conor419 said:
An aside: *People actually theorise that Miyamoto's final game will see him returning back to where he started: a fully 3D Mario vs Donkey Kong platformer.

People also theorise that Mario is a communist. Theories ain't shit.

shan780 · Jul 29, 2018

JershJopstin · Jul 29, 2018

Plum said:
Tropical Freeze on Switch and Dark Souls Remastered were announced on the same day in the same Direct.

While the theory doesn't hold up at all, I don't think that necessarily means NB knew when DK was releasing. Nintendo doesn't need to tell every publisher when every title in a direct is releasing, do they?

But DS has had plenty of time and space to release if they were really... threatened... by DK. This delay is almost definitely development/QA related.

Menx64 · Jul 29, 2018

fiendcode said:
Virtuos isn't a small developer. They do AAA contracting on like everything and have over 1500 dev staff spread over 6 studios and two continents. Manpower shouldn't be an issue and I doubt budget is either given Nintendo, Bandai Namco and From Software are all involved in the port.

They're significantly larger than the PS4/XB1/Steam dev actually. QLOC is only over 200 staff.

They are big. That doesn't mean they have infinite manpower and depending on how many projects they have, maybe the team was . small.

Conor419 · Jul 29, 2018

Plum said:
You don't think a publisher as big as Bamco would know the chronology of the Direct their game debuts in? Even if that were the case, that still doesn't explain why'd they do the delay in the manner they did.

They would obviously know when their game would be shown, but in the chronological guide for publishers, Donkey Kong was probably just listed as [First Party software] or something like that. NB would have watched the direct just as we did, saw the DK announcement, and completely shat themselves.

Again, this is the only theory that makes sense. They couldn't have delayed it straight after announcing it as they would have been a laughing stock: they showed the demo and announced the Amiibo to keep up appearances, before hastily pulling the game later.

BlacJack · Jul 29, 2018

Conor419 said:
The series was born as a commentary on animal abuse, and in which the sequel saw Nintendo's mascot actually die at the ending: the rivalry between Mario and DK is far darker than anything covered in "Dark" Souls*. Whether the series has shifted in tone is irrelevant: the gameplay very much maintains the brutal challenge of the Rare era.

As for timing. NB most likely didn't know that DK was coming: Nintendo almost certainly do not disclose to other third parties their software plans for the sake of avoiding leaks.

An aside: *People actually theorise that Miyamoto's final game will see him returning back to where he started: a fully 3D Mario vs Donkey Kong platformer.

I loved Tropical Freeze (I'm literally using its quality as a basis of my argument...) but it wasn't the greatest 2D platformer of all time like you lot were claiming (apparently that's "too insane to believe"????)

Animal abuse is far darker than the suffering of all living beings. That's even assuming your assertations are even true and not some allusion to "Mario beating up a cartoon ape" and it all stems from that.

You are pretty entertaining my guy.

Skittzo · Jul 29, 2018

Conor419 said:
As for timing. NB most likely didn't know that DK was coming: Nintendo almost certainly do not disclose to other third parties their software plans for the sake of avoiding leaks.

Isn't Nintendo publishing Dark Souls Remastered in Europe?

If so, you're saying that both Bamco and Nintendo of Europe, as publishers, didn't realize that DKTF was scheduled to be launched around the same time as Dark Souls even though they were announced in the same Direction, and decided over 3 months after both dates were announced that they would be better off delaying Dark Souls?

I think you can see why people have been ignoring this reason you came up with.

Deleted member 19024 · Jul 29, 2018

It's a shame...I was 100% on board with Dark Souls Remastered on Switch when it was announced, but since it was delayed, I ended up getting it on Xbox. I've since finished it and likely won't play anymore since I've moved on to DS2 (which I'm not enjoying st all, lol).

Conor419 · Jul 29, 2018

skittzo0413 said:
Isn't Nintendo publishing Dark Souls Remastered in Europe?

If so, you're saying that both Bamco and Nintendo of Europe, as publishers, didn't realize that DKTF was scheduled to be launched around the same time as Dark Souls even though they were announced in the same Direction, and decided over 3 months after both dates were announced that they would be better off delaying Dark Souls?

I think you can see why people have been ignoring this reason you came up with.

Well obviously Nintendo wouldn't have taken issue with it as their game was releasing first and no doubt would have come out on top.

foxuzamaki · Jul 29, 2018

fiendcode said:
It's about as likely as the game hitting some development/network issue that delays it 3+ months given the state we saw it in. Virtuos is a solid studio too for delvering AAA ports and subcontracting, they've worked on like everything from Uncharted to Final Fantasy. It's not all or nothing either, maybe a technical need for a delays several weeks or a month led to a strategic delay longer? There are lots of possibilities here.

Summer's over shortly so either way we should see the game again soon. And don't be surprised if that's timed and folded in with the Switch Online rollout.

I think we're all trying our best not to say that there are politics of some kind involved. It really feels like it is but obviously we cant say because there is no proof

Plum · Jul 29, 2018

Conor419 said:
They would know when the game would be shown, but in the chronological guide for publishers, Donkey Kong was probably listed as [First Party software] or something like that. They would have watched the direct just as well all did, saw the DK announcement and completely shat themselves.

Again, this is the only theory that makes sense. They couldn't have delayed it straight after announcing it as they would have been a laughing stock: they showed the demo and announced the Amiibo to keep up appearances, before hastily pulling the game later.

But it doesn't make any sense. It relies on so much conjecture, conspiracy and just plain misinformation that even the "the game is somehow unplayable despite it literally being playable" theory makes more sense.

Here are the questions you've failed to give any answer to:
1) Why would Bandai Namco "shit themselves" over a re-release of a mid-tier E-rated Nintendo platformer yet be perfectly fine going up against heavily advertised M-rated PS4 and Xbox One/PC exclusives? Game Theory nonsense is not a good reason.
2) Why would Bandai Namco choose to delay the game at the last minute in the worst fashion possible and leave fans with literally no word for months when, if your theory were true, a delay announcement in the April Direct with a concrete date would have worked infinitely better?
3) Why would Nintendo, who is publishing the game in Europe, be fine with a game they gave prime Direct time and an Amiibo suddenly being delayed in the fashion it did?

BloodshotX · Jul 29, 2018

OrbitalBeard said:
They likely won't make a new announcement until everything is set in stone. Release date, beta date(s), Amiibo launch date. I wouldn't be surprised if we get all this info just a few weeks before launch. At this point, there's no reason to say anything until they're 100% confident in their launch plans.

But there was a 2 week gap between the network test and the release date, and the network test was announced 10 days in advance on the other platforms.

So its ether this week or next week or its not making the summer 2018 date, Dont wanna be negative nancy but if that the case the game is highly likely to bomb on switch.

visvim said:
so the guy in my local GAME Shop was honest today and said they were told August 10th is the 'official' release date but Nintendo never confirmed it. Apparently. I don't know if these guys are to be trusted but he seemed legit to me. Don't really see why he would lie, and he even showed me the sheet of paper with their shipments.

Then they would have to announce it this week if thats the case, they cant stealth release a physical game.

Terraforce · Jul 29, 2018

BloodshotX said:
But there was a 2 week gap between the network test and the release date, and the network test was announced 10 days in advance on the other platforms.

So its ether this week or next week or its not making the summer 2018 date, Dont wanna be negative nancy but if that the case the game is highly likely to bomb on switch.

Summer extends until September though.

Poimandres · Jul 29, 2018

Conor419 said:
The series was born as a commentary on animal abuse, and in which the sequel saw Nintendo's mascot actually die at the ending: the rivalry between Mario and DK is far darker than anything covered in "Dark" Souls*. Whether the series has shifted in tone is irrelevant: the gameplay very much maintains the brutal challenge of the Rare era.

Is it really far darker than the several heavy themes explored in Dark Souls? There's some pretty weighty concepts in Souls. Do you know the ins and outs of Souls lore? I would wager there is not a single other person in this thread who would claim Donkey Kong is "far darker" than Dark Souls. Does that make you question your stance?

fiendcode · Jul 29, 2018

Terraforce said:
Summer extends until September though.

Through September 22 to be exact. Given the previous timeline laid out we might not get a date until the end of August and still make summer 2018.

Ogodei · Jul 29, 2018

They need to get it in ahead of Monster Hunter or it's going to die on the vine.

Deleted member 6730 · Jul 29, 2018

Conor419 said:
An aside: *People actually theorise that Miyamoto's final game will see him returning back to where he started: a fully 3D Mario vs Donkey Kong platformer.

fiendcode · Jul 29, 2018

Ogodei said:
They need to get it in ahead of Monster Hunter or it's going to die on the vine.

I feel like it's the opposite, that Capcom must be thrilled DSR got pushed back to (probably) September.

Ogodei · Jul 29, 2018

fiendcode said:
I feel like it's the opposite, that Capcom must be thrilled DSR got pushed back to (probably) September.

The Nintendo audience for Monster Hunter is built in. Dark Souls is the new hotness but people buying Nintendo consoles and portables have been playing Monster Hunter for almost a decade while have had no exposure to Souls in that environment.

Plum · Jul 29, 2018

Ogodei said:
The Nintendo audience for Monster Hunter is built in. Dark Souls is the new hotness but people buying Nintendo consoles and portables have been playing Monster Hunter for almost a decade while have had no exposure to Souls in that environment.

Nintendo fans aren't as gated a community as you might expect; the Dark Souls games have been both culturally and literally extremely widespread throughout their history and the fanfare given to its debut on Switch should show that people do care about it. Skyrim, for example, marked the first Elder Scrolls game on a Nintendo platform (and the first Bethesda-style open world RPG) yet it still found an audience because, well, it's Skyrim.

Conor419 · Jul 29, 2018

Ogodei said:
They need to get it in ahead of Monster Hunter or it's going to die on the vine.

Absolutely, and for the same reasoning I made before. NB need to ask themselves:what are Nintendo ultras and hardcore gamers more likely to pick? Dark Souls or Monster Hunter.

Is it really far darker than the several heavy themes explored in Dark Souls? There's some pretty weighty concepts in Souls. Do you know the ins and outs of Souls lore? I would wager there is not a single other person in this thread who would claim Donkey Kong is "far darker" than Dark Souls. Does that make you question your stance?

To be honest, interpretations of themes are subjective and bound to differ. However, I'd argue that more gamers were drawn to Dark Souls for its reputation as a (supposedly) tough and unforgiving series as opposed to how it delivers its story.

On that basis: what is clear to me is that the Donkey Kong games are far, far more appealing to Nintendo Ultras and hardcore gamers in general than Dark Souls, and this was the reason for the delay more than anything else.

brinstar · Jul 29, 2018

shan780 said:

this reads like it belongs in a MGSV trailer

Poimandres · Jul 29, 2018

Conor419 said:
To be honest, interpretations of themes are subjective and bound to differ. However, I'd argue that more gamers were drawn to Dark Souls for its reputation as a (supposedly) tough and unforgiving series as opposed to how it delivers its story.

On that basis: what is clear to me is that the Donkey Kong games are far, far more appealing to Nintendo Ultras and hardcore gamers in general than Dark Souls, and this was the reason for the delay more than anything else.

Ok sure I can agree with this. I do think Donkey Kong is proven to be appealing to Nintendo Ultras for sure. Platformers have a built in fanbase on Nintendo consoles, and Donkey Kong is a classic character with plenty of recognition.

The only thing here I disagree with is Donkey Kong being more appealing to hardcore gamers in general there days. I think you are underestimating the standing of Dark Souls in the gaming community as a whole. I think it will do very well on Switch regardless of when it ultimately launches.

Plum · Jul 29, 2018

brinstar said:
this reads like it belongs in a MGSV trailer

""Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can hear them… and they're finally here… performing for you. The bananas I've lost… the DK crew I've lost… won't stop hurting… It's like they're all still there. You feel the jungle beat too, don't you?"

daybreak · Jul 29, 2018

I see it releasing last week of August with an announcement this coming week. If not, wouldn't be surprised to see it pushed back even further to Oct/Nov.

Deleted member 3017 · Jul 29, 2018

To those of you who think the game is going to be cancelled: Nintendo UK held an event this weekend and Dark Souls Remastered was playable.

Soap · Jul 29, 2018

Maybe they are waiting for the larger carts to become available

UberTag · Jul 29, 2018

Soap said:
Maybe they are waiting for the larger carts to become available

That would actually be a reasonable explanation for everything. Although it would be nice if they could be up front and transparent about it.

shan780 · Jul 29, 2018

brinstar said:
this reads like it belongs in a MGSV trailer

Donkey "Chained" Kong, a Kong robbed of his freedom

GJ · Jul 29, 2018

Soap said:
Maybe they are waiting for the larger carts to become available

It's only 7,29 GB on the PS4. And that's with higher resolution assets. That can't be it...

Deleted member 3017 · Jul 29, 2018

Soap said:
Maybe they are waiting for the larger carts to become available

The game will fit on an 8 gig cart.

Comic Obsessed · Jul 29, 2018

If Dark Souls is coming in August then one would think that somebody at least would have said something at this point.

Skittzo · Jul 29, 2018

Odds that they saw the great reception and pre-order numbers and decided to throw in a port of DS2 and DS3 too? And for some reason delayed DS1 so they could all release together?

I'm thinking -10% chance.

Deleted member 3017 · Jul 29, 2018

And here's some new Blighttown footage

NateDrake · Jul 29, 2018

skittzo0413 said:
Odds that they saw the great reception and pre-order numbers and decided to throw in a port of DS2 and DS3 too? And for some reason delayed DS1 so they could all release together?

I'm thinking -10% chance.

0%. Odds favor there being a network issue and some minor performance problems that needed addressing. The wait has to be nearly over. If it is much longer then a lot of interest in the release will have faded.

Deleted member 42221 · Jul 29, 2018

Wait, this isn't out?

Good grief.

Irrotational · Jul 30, 2018

I *still* think it's an amiibo manufacturing issue. They know a bunch of Internet crazies will go nuts if they admit it.

Ganransu · Jul 30, 2018

Irrotational said:
I *still* think it's an amiibo manufacturing issue. They know a bunch of Internet crazies will go nuts if they admit it.

Nintendo has historically never been bothered by that, why now? Dark Souls is less popular and important than you'd think.

Amiibo shortage is the norm, never the issue.

BloodshotX · Jul 30, 2018

Terraforce said:
Summer extends until September though.

But still, launching its 4 months after the other versions, with no enhancements and the awful trackrecord that Virtuous Games has im not holding my breath. These are the developers that drops surround sound from LA noire on switch, and now it has terrible channel direction. Meaning the game is now in stereo, and many times when a person talks on the left side of the screen to have his audio come out of the right side.

Launching it in september is pretty much a death sentence for the game on switch. Fall has so many games for switch and other platforms that is hard to justify 40 bucks for a 4 month old game, by then the other versions are probably 30 bucks or even less.

LuckyLinus · Jul 30, 2018

Theyre replacing all the bosses and npcs with dark and Hollow versions of famous Nintendo characters, thats why its taking so long. Coopa demon, ceaseless diddycharge etc.

Killyoh · Jul 30, 2018

LuckyLinus said:
Theyre replacing all the bosses and npcs with dark and Hollow versions of famous Nintendo characters, thats why its taking so long. Coopa demon, ceaseless diddycharge etc.

Oh god, Ceaseless Diddycharge would be horrifying.

Patrick Bateman · Jul 30, 2018

OrbitalBeard said:
And here's some new Blighttown footage

So the reason that it's delayed is surely MP, right? Blighttown running badly was one of the arguments before.

CarthOhNoes · Jul 30, 2018

Must be some weird MP issue causing the delay - Blight Town is the worst area from a technical POV and if it's working as well as it is in that GE video then clearly it isn't some big technical problem with the core experience.

BloodshotX · Jul 30, 2018

Patrick Bateman said:
So the reason that it's delayed is surely MP, right? Blighttown running badly was one of the arguments before.

Thats the question, Tbh im not expecting Nintendo switch online to magically get better in september. Its pretty much the same as it is now, just with cloud saves and those online nes games.

Conor419 · Jul 30, 2018

Patrick Bateman said:
So the reason that it's delayed is surely MP, right? Blighttown running badly was one of the arguments before.

How can it be when more complicated online titles such as Fortnite, Paladins, Rocket League etc have no problem on the system?

It's because of Donkey Kong, you all just don't want to see it.

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