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Oct 25, 2017
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The Great Dairy State
Since she transitioned in 1998, at the age of 16, all of Danni Askini's identity documents have read "female." But last month, when Askini went to renew her passport, her request was denied. Askini says the U.S. Passport Office told her she had "failed to disclose" that she was transgender and needed to provide proof of gender transition — after 20 years of having a passport that says she's female.

"Make no mistake, this was an intentional action by the State Department to withhold recognizing my gender," says Askini, who was eventually granted a temporary two-year passport that allowed her to travel from her Seattle home to Sweden. The activist and executive director of Gender Justice League needed to leave Seattle, she says, after a series of death threats posted on the anti-trans website Kiwi Farms, as well as threats from local alt-right groups in the Pacific Northwest. She'd had her most recent passport for 10 years, but it was up for renewal.



Just this week, another trans woman encountered the same problem.

New York-based technology researcher Janus Rose says she's had her passport, with a female gender marker, since November. But recently she finalized a legal name change, and sent in paperwork along with her current passport to renew the document with the new legal name. It seemed like a simple formality, until she received a phone call from a passport processing center in South Carolina.



"This letter is something my clinic has been using as a boilerplate for years for so many people," Rose says. "The clinic says I'm the first person to get a rejection."

Rose had successfully changed the gender marker on her passport in 2017 using a letter signed by the nurse practitioner at her clinic. The clinic, she says, told her they've never encountered a person being told that that letter is invalid or that they need to have it written by an M.D. instead.

"It seems pretty clear that even if the policy hasn't changed, something has changed in terms of guidance on how to enforce this — because it's being enforced differently now," says Rose.

"I spoke to someone the other day, a cis person, who had their legal name changed and it was fine," says Rose. "There was no asking for additional documentation or proof. She literally did the same thing just the other day. That's what this is about. A cis person can go in and make this simple change, and a trans person cannot."

Askini, in contrast, was disturbed by the fact that the State Department even knew she was transgender. In her specific case, her legal gender transition was granted by a judge when she was still a minor — and in relation to a sex trafficking case and a safety effort to conceal her identity, all of the child welfare records were sealed at the time.

"None of my documentation would disclose my trans status," says Askini. "No databases that are local, state, or federal should note my gender as anything other than female."

"I believe that the Trump Administration or someone in the Seattle Passport Office has targeted me politically and politicized the process for obtaining passports," says Askini. "Their actions and statements are NOT consistent with the actual letter of the code related to trans people."

Rose has similar suspicions. Though she's careful to steer clear of "the temptation to blame everything on Trump," and notes that trans people have faced bureaucratic discrimination for years, she says it feels like a very sudden change has occurred at the State Department.

"It seems like they're applying a different standard of enforcement to these cases now. I've never heard of a person having a problem changing their name on a passport until now," says Rose.

"I think there's an internal policy change to make it as difficult as possible for trans people," says Rose. "The goal is to create friction. They can't change all these laws right away, but they can make it really hard."

https://www.them.us/story/trans-women-state-department-passports
 

Sweeney Swift

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Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better for our community

To absolutely any straight "ally" who stays a Republican/trumper during these times, please know you're no fucking ally of ours
 

Zed

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Oct 28, 2017
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But Trump held up a rainbow flag once! How could this happen?????

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TheMan

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Oct 25, 2017
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so fucking dumb. what do they have to gain by screwing people over like this? It's kind of mind-boggling they'd do this.
 

Sweeney Swift

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Or protest votes. Or doesn't vote period.
Had three friends who voted Stein

We're in PA. And they thought it wouldn't matter

I guess consolation is they've apologized repeatedly since, but uh yeah fuck the whole concept of protest votes. Thought people would have learned from 2000 but no, we needed a bigger disaster to...hope people maybe learned a lesson? lol fuck
 

Zed

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Oct 28, 2017
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so fucking dumb. what do they have to gain by screwing people over like this? It's kind of mind-boggling they'd do this.

Its basically red meat to feed to the Trump base. Basically everyone else knows Trump is human garbage so the base is the only thing to hold on to.
 

Skunk

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Oct 28, 2017
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Its basically red meat to feed to the Trump base. Basically everyone else knows Trump is human garbage so the base is the only thing to hold on to.

Well, they aren't mentioning this particular policy publicly; the only reason we're hearing about it is because trans people targeted by this realized what's happening. So it's not really for Trump's base; it's just pure hatred and discrimination against trans people on the part of this shitshow of an administration because they are fucking bigots.
 

DigitalOp

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Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better for our community

To absolutely any straight "ally" who stays a Republican/trumper during these times, please know you're no fucking ally of ours

What about my old lesbian manager who voted Jill Stein and then was hurt when she was verbally harassed the day after Clown won the election?

I know...
 

Helot_Azure

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Oct 29, 2017
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This is all according to plan. Expect a full on attack on Gay rights in the very near future. Mike Pence and company are going full on offensive after the midterms. Their degree of fuckery depends on how the GoP does overall. If they hold the House and Senate, the gloves come off!
 

Slappy White

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Oct 27, 2017
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I honestly feel like there is a room somewhere in the White House where Trump has henchmen working nonstop day and night devising new ways to fuck over people. And someone will randomly yell out "Hey have we fucked with any Trans people today?" And the next thing you know....no more passports. That will show them!
 

House_Of_Lightning

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I honestly feel like there is a room somewhere in the White House where Trump has henchmen working nonstop day and night devising new ways to fuck over people.

Not to take away from the awful news in the OP, but I would add to this comment here that maybe a dozen of my wife's friends have all had their visa's either revoked or the government has straight up denied renewing their work visas.

People we/she/I have known for years in the US are having to pack up and go back to a country that is incredibly different between one year and the next. I can only imagine how it would be like having to take your US citizenship kids and move to a country after not living/working there for a decade.

These are absolutely vulnerable people they're targeting.

We carry all of our documents when coming back to the US now. Marriage and birth certificates, work documents, housing documents, etc.

It's an absolute nerve wracking mess.
 

Titik

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I honestly feel like there is a room somewhere in the White House where Trump has henchmen working nonstop day and night devising new ways to fuck over people. And someone will randomly yell out "Hey have we fucked with any Trans people today?" And the next thing you know....no more passports. That will show them!
You know damn well they do.
 

Hey Please

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Which asinine bible thumping bigots are in charge of guiding these so called enforcement and changing how the policies used to work under prior administration?

This is fucking disgusting.
 

firehawk12

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I honestly feel like there is a room somewhere in the White House where Trump has henchmen working nonstop day and night devising new ways to fuck over people. And someone will randomly yell out "Hey have we fucked with any Trans people today?" And the next thing you know....no more passports. That will show them!
Where are all the log cabin Republicans?
 

Abstrusity

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Oct 27, 2017
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Fucking fascists. They want to create friction? I thrive on it, goddammit. I'll be voting in November no matter what.

Please, people, ensure you do the same.
 

B-Dubs

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I heard about this a few days ago and it's absolutely disgusting.
 

nel e nel

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Well, they aren't mentioning this particular policy publicly; the only reason we're hearing about it is because trans people targeted by this realized what's happening. So it's not really for Trump's base; it's just pure hatred and discrimination against trans people on the part of this shitshow of an administration because they are fucking bigots.

Considering the number of bathroom and ID billls that have been proposed over the past few years, one could argue that it's absolutely for the party base.
 

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How long until transition is criminal? How many now also make the choice to waste their entire only life out of fear and cruelty, and actual fear of criminalization or extermination. Just posting this has brought me to a state where I am publicly vowing never to use the term salty as an insult or negative and I will find it offensive though not enough to report anyone or make a stink, but I will think less of it.

Stay safe my brothers and sisters, this isn't just debatable politics, not that it ever was but the message is clear, trans lives literally don't count.
 

tommy7154

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Oct 25, 2017
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Assuming this is true, this is just plain fucked up. It's despicable, it's childish as fuck...it just blows my mind.

How does anyone that doesn't believe in equality for everyone even live with themselves these days? And some how this piece of shit does it and he's the president of my country. It's insanity. And it's not like he simply doesn't believe in equality, no as if that isn't bad enough, he/they actively try and make everything they possibly can worse.

How pathetic. What a pathetic excuse for a human being.
 
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Robin

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Heard about the Danni Askini incident, was not aware that there had been another incident. Has anyone in the State Department responded to this yet?
 
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I find it hard to believe there'd be anyone from the LGBTQ community who'd vote for someone who panders to the far right.

Remember Milo? "I'm not a fascist because I'm gay" ...

There are definitely people who were fooled, or thought their whiteness means nothing will ever happen to them. Because hating brown people matters more than anything.

edit: and ehm, yeah, this behavior pretty much fits the bill of 45 being a hateful prick.