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blinky

Attempted to circumvent ban with an alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,329
Right I'm just going to state this.

Violence is not just physical, it can be verbal and psychological and this guy was clearly violent in his rhetoric.

You can state that, but you would still be wrong. Words are not violence. They may be offensive and hateful and make people very angry or hurt, but they are not violence.

I know this is in the context of pushing somebody into a shallow fountain, which barely qualifies as violence at all. Just responding to this particular part of your post.
 

Westbahnhof

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
10,106
Austria
You can state that, but you would still be wrong. Words are not violence. They may be offensive and hateful and make people very angry or hurt, but they are not violence.

I know this is in the context of pushing somebody into a shallow fountain, which barely qualifies as violence at all. Just responding to this particular part of your post.
Verbal violence, including verbal abuse and psychological violence, are absolutely considered a form of violence. What are your sources when you dismiss claims that places like https://www.gov.nl.ca/VPI/types/index.html ?
 
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excelsiorlef

Bad Praxis
Member
Oct 25, 2017
73,325
You can state that, but you would still be wrong. Words are not violence. They may be offensive and hateful and make people very angry or hurt, but they are not violence.

I know this is in the context of pushing somebody into a shallow fountain, which barely qualifies as violence at all. Just responding to this particular part of your post.

Fighting words is literally a legal concept
 
Oct 27, 2017
7,409
I agree, even if the asshole deserved it. This will be used by right wing media to paint us as the bad guys
Who cares? Toronto stepping up and showing we won't tolerate that shit. Put me on the side that thinks this guy got off lightly. It's not going to "embolden the right" because there is a very, very small number of (vocal) people like that in Toronto. Let them get angry and try to paint us as the bad guys, it ain't gunna fly.
 

GaimeGuy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,092
Depends on what? What they are protesting? Just because someone is protesting against something you support or agreed with does not mean you should use violence towards them.
People were murdered because of their religion less than a week ago.

Going to the location of the murders to talk shit about the religion isn't a protest. it's a celebration and a taunt

talk shit, get hit
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
20,696
This will be used by right wing media to paint us as the bad guys
They already think you're the bad guy. Stop acting like bigots view you as a person with a different opinion and understand that they view minorities, and anyone who sticks up for them, as intrinsically enemies to their way of life.

It's like trying to make friends with a wild grizzly bear by walking up with an outstretched hand. What the fuck do you think is going to happen?
 

stupei

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,801
Kind of weird to see this guy called a protestor over and over in the thread. What's he protesting against other than the existence of Muslims?

Is it just because saying "I'm not comfortable with violence against protestors" sounds better than "I don't like seeing bigots hurt"?
 

Caz

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,055
Canada
I agree, even if the asshole deserved it. This will be used by right wing media to paint us as the bad guys
Rebel Media was going to call this piece of trash a "freedom crusader" regardless of whether or not they got a well-deserved smackdown because that's what right-wing media does. Let's not pretend like they care about the facts. This person is a bigot and should not be treated as just "someone with different viewpoints".


Toronto's motto is literally "Diversity our strength". It's time to stand up and show them how strong that diversity really is.
 

NoName999

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
5,906
It's nice to know that people are thinking a guy who wants to commit genocide against Muslims is a just protester.

Like it really says a lot about you that "wanting Muslims to go away forever" equals "not buying EA games due to their shitty lootboxes"

Again, can't some of you stop pussyfooting around and say you agree with the guy already?
 

Holundrian

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,155
So another example of a racist that is blatantly brainrotten.
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"Not all Muslims are bad," to which the protester retorted, "I don't know about Muslims, I talked about Islam!"
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???
 

pewpewtora

Member
Nov 23, 2017
2,224
Connecticut
He got thrown into a fountain people, he's not bleeding and he's not dead. The "violence is never the right answer" comments are ridiculous. This shit put a big smile on my face.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,956
User Banned (1 Week): Downplaying hate speech + Islamophobia
i always wonder why the progressive kind of people says religion in general is kind of bad but get up in arms when you criticize islam? no, criticizing islam is not preaching hatred
 

excelsiorlef

Bad Praxis
Member
Oct 25, 2017
73,325
Kind of weird to see this guy called a protestor over and over in the thread. What's he protesting against other than the existence of Muslims?

Is it just because saying "I'm not comfortable with violence against protestors" sounds better than "I don't like seeing bigots hurt"?

That and you know there's a lot more "tolerance" for anti-Muslim bigotry
 

Fruit&Nut

Using an alt account to circumvent a ban
Banned
Mar 16, 2018
520
It's a bad look when a society allows neo Nazis to run rampant, spread bigotry and intimidate minorities. It really is a bad look. The only shame is in allowing these people to do what they want and not shutting them down. This was the right thing to do, the only right thing to do.

And when did being nice to neo Nazis ever work? The only criticism I have is, that he wasn't given a proper beating like he deserves.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,956
Please tell me you aren't serious with that comparison.
Not only is it absolutely stupid to compare "being out late" with "preaching hatred", you're also comparing being shoved into a fountain with, at best, a mugging. But I'm pretty sure you're talking about rape.
of course i don't think that "girls shouldn't be out late" just i don't think that guy "shouldn't protest there". if he wants to be there let him be there and call police if you want to solve the situation

You're ignoring replies to your false equivalence nonsense and now trying to soften what this racist was doing.

You smell like an alt right frog.

yes of course i'm a nazi with a house full of nazi memorabilia. c'mon
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
20,696
of course i don't think that "girls shouldn't be out late" just i don't think that guy "shouldn't protest there".
A girl being out late is trying to enjoy her life. The guy was there to incite and harass Muslims at a memorial service for shooting victims.

Stop with the false equivalencies.

if he wants to be there let him be there and call police if you want to solve the situation
Minorities aren't cowards that call the police on every single social slight or faux pas tho'.
 

Deleted member 11976

User requested account closure
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Oct 27, 2017
7,585
of course i don't think that "girls shouldn't be out late" just i don't think that guy "shouldn't protest there". if he wants to be there let him be there and call police if you want to solve the situation



yes of course i'm a nazi with a house full of nazi memorabilia. c'mon
It hasn't even been a week since these people were shot. People are still mourning. Businesses are still picking up the pieces.

Nobody wants these hateful cranks around our neighborhood right now.
 

Fruit&Nut

Using an alt account to circumvent a ban
Banned
Mar 16, 2018
520
i always wonder why the progressive kind of people says religion in general is kind of bad but get up in arms when you criticize islam? no, criticizing islam is not preaching hatred

LOL
Why are we arguing with this idiot?

If someone is this slow or willfully missing the point, theres not much you can do.
 

Xeonidus

“Fuck them kids.”
Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,278
Yeah, he deserved this. What would happen if an Arabic person showed up at Sandy Hook to protest Christianity after that tragedy? I'll bet it would be much worse than a dunk in the fountain.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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i always wonder why the progressive kind of people says religion in general is kind of bad but get up in arms when you criticize islam? no, criticizing islam is not preaching hatred

So first you compare pushing a Nazi into a fountain to women deserving rape for being out late, then you build strawmen.

You deserve a permban. Not a warning, not a weak wristed 3 day temp ban that will only embolden you to return, but a firm foot down permaban. You are the reason women feel unsafe here
 

Grimminski

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,130
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Cunt got off easy, should've knocked his ass out.

Sorta like this:
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Oct 26, 2017
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i always wonder why the progressive kind of people says religion in general is kind of bad but get up in arms when you criticize islam? no, criticizing islam is not preaching hatred

You are such a clown.

You're telling me that a guy that has the sign that says "Little Mosque on the praire / Two dead girls in Greek Town", especially on a case where it seems mental illness and having a brother with a record of crimes played a much bigger role than religion, is "just criticizing Islam"?

Fuck off. People like you is exactly what's wrong with our society. The immediate need to "criticize" or defend this clown protestor, instead of using logic and common sense to see what went wrong. This is not the hill to die on.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,956
So first you compare pushing a Nazi into a fountain to women deserving rape for being out late, then you build strawmen.
well, some really think that if women don't want to get molested they shouldn't go places, i don't, but i don't agree with the "he shouldn't protest there if he doesn't want to get pushed argument too

You deserve a permban. Not a warning, not a weak wristed 3 day temp ban that will only embolden you to return, but a firm foot down permaban. You are the reason women feel unsafe here[/QUOTE]
nah man, i never mistreated another person in my whole life, never threatened or assaulted. leave the reason of women unsafety to real rapists
 

Volimar

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Member
Oct 25, 2017
38,490
Five pages in and I'm still trying to wrap my head around "I don't know about Muslims, I talked about Islam!"